Why do people believe that their is a god?

God this is pointless. The question should be- Why do you believe in YOUR god?

Answer-cuz thats what you were bought up to believe. If you were born elswhere you would be a Hindu, or a Muslim, or whatever. So to defend one faith is pretty pointless.

Surely it would be more reasonable to be agnostic? You can't prove there is a god, and you can't prove there isn't. So to have a belief in one or the other, by the same logic you use to discount God, seems illogical.

Lansdowne5

Gods of various religions cannot be proven and disproven and yet many people don't believe in them. There is a lot of things that people simply don't believe in even when there isn't any "proof" or lack thereof. Here's a good video analyzing agnosticism. There is some language and it's extremely biased towards atheism, but the video makes a good case against agnosticism at 3:17.

I might as well add my input. I think agnosticism is very logical, more so than atheism. However, when losing formality, and talking into generalities, atheism sounds better because society don't say they lack a belief or a disbelief in a random deity. With all respect, agnosticism could be applied to a variety of topics, but it is only confined to the subject of the Judeo-Christian God usually.

[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]

well if you put faith that way, then yes he doesnt need to do anything. But why 2000 years ago? why not now? he does want people to believe doesnt he? there is obviously more scientific evidence than biblical. christianity has not nearly as much evidence as science. all it has is recounts from people. hard evidence knows best.

Lansdowne5

It could have been anytime, so why not two thousand years ago? In a society where there is so much evil going on, I wouldn't reward the people by just showing myself to them, I would leave it up to them to decide which path they chose. Science is Man's work, Creation is God's, they're always going to clash. Christianity doesn't need evidence, it's basis is not on evidence, but on faith.

Science is not mans work, science is what man does. Its humans trying to learn more about the world and how it came to be. A lot more things have been learnt through science than religion. You could not learn that much about nature, and how the world works through the bible. However science has nothing on faith, it cannot prove it wrong or right.

It looks like your not going down, and i respect that :) and because i really couldnt be bothered to stick around this thread, do we agree to each other opinions?

I see belief in God as an old relic. I have nothing against religious people personally, I just think it's silly to believe in it.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]

well if you put faith that way, then yes he doesnt need to do anything. But why 2000 years ago? why not now? he does want people to believe doesnt he? there is obviously more scientific evidence than biblical. christianity has not nearly as much evidence as science. all it has is recounts from people. hard evidence knows best.

FatChuwawa

It could have been anytime, so why not two thousand years ago? In a society where there is so much evil going on, I wouldn't reward the people by just showing myself to them, I would leave it up to them to decide which path they chose. Science is Man's work, Creation is God's, they're always going to clash. Christianity doesn't need evidence, it's basis is not on evidence, but on faith.

Science is not mans work, science is what man does. Its humans trying to learn more about the world and how it came to be. A lot more things have been learnt through science than religion. You could not learn that much about nature, and how the world works through the bible. However science has nothing on faith, it cannot prove it wrong or right.

It looks like your not going down, and i respect that :) and because i really couldnt be bothered to stick around this thread, do we agree to each other opinions?

Science is Man's work/study of the Universe we live in, it's not infallible and it's not innerant. A lot more things which are unimportant can be learnt by it. You could learn lots about nature from the Bible, just not exactly how it works, which I personally think it is a good thing.

God's revealed himself to me and I'd never dismiss him after everything he's done for me. I don't agree with your opinion, but I accept that we both have free will to chose whatever we want to believe, and it's not my place to tell you what is right or wrong. I hope you'll find understanding soon.

If God does things for good like many people says..''God did it for a reason'',then why the hell he took my mom away from me and the person i love?and seeing how bad i feel and doesnt care about my pain..i dont want to stop believing but im getting almost no help from god..and im sorry for sounding like this..MojondeVACA

Try reading through Job. You'll certainly be in my prayers.

God Bless :)

[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]

well if you put faith that way, then yes he doesnt need to do anything. But why 2000 years ago? why not now? he does want people to believe doesnt he? there is obviously more scientific evidence than biblical. christianity has not nearly as much evidence as science. all it has is recounts from people. hard evidence knows best.

Lansdowne5

It could have been anytime, so why not two thousand years ago? In a society where there is so much evil going on, I wouldn't reward the people by just showing myself to them, I would leave it up to them to decide which path they chose. Science is Man's work, Creation is God's, they're always going to clash. Christianity doesn't need evidence, it's basis is not on evidence, but on faith.

Science is not mans work, science is what man does. Its humans trying to learn more about the world and how it came to be. A lot more things have been learnt through science than religion. You could not learn that much about nature, and how the world works through the bible. However science has nothing on faith, it cannot prove it wrong or right.

It looks like your not going down, and i respect that :) and because i really couldnt be bothered to stick around this thread, do we agree to each other opinions?

Science is Man's work/study of the Universe we live in, it's not infallible and it's not innerant. A lot more things which are unimportant can be learnt by it. You could learn lots about nature from the Bible, just not exactly how it works, which I personally think it is a good thing.

God's revealed himself to me and I'd never dismiss him after everything he's done for me. I don't agree with your opinion, but I accept that we both have free will to chose whatever we want to believe, and it's not my place to tell you what is right or wrong. I hope you'll find understanding soon.

people want direct facts these days, that is why more and more people are questioning everything.

Do you feel sorry for me because i dont believe in God?? I was accepting what you thought and believed. You are too wrapped up in this whole god thing to accept anything against it.

There Is No God

/thread

Why do people care what others believe?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Some people need to have faith in something, or somone - for many varying reasons, and others don't (or as much).

Im an atheist, but I still respect peoples beliefs and teachings of religion(s) and god(s), and understand the importance of it.

Lansdowne5

same, i have no problem with people having a religion. I just dont see how it can be believable.

Its simply opinions against opinions, I wouldn't hold it against them.

Surely it would be more reasonable to be agnostic? You can't prove there is a god, and you can't prove there isn't. So to have a belief in one or the other, by the same logic you use to discount God, seems illogical.

There is nothing wrong with believing in a god, and nothing wrong with believing in no god.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]

well if you put faith that way, then yes he doesnt need to do anything. But why 2000 years ago? why not now? he does want people to believe doesnt he? there is obviously more scientific evidence than biblical. christianity has not nearly as much evidence as science. all it has is recounts from people. hard evidence knows best.

FatChuwawa

It could have been anytime, so why not two thousand years ago? In a society where there is so much evil going on, I wouldn't reward the people by just showing myself to them, I would leave it up to them to decide which path they chose. Science is Man's work, Creation is God's, they're always going to clash. Christianity doesn't need evidence, it's basis is not on evidence, but on faith.

Science is not mans work, science is what man does. Its humans trying to learn more about the world and how it came to be. A lot more things have been learnt through science than religion. You could not learn that much about nature, and how the world works through the bible. However science has nothing on faith, it cannot prove it wrong or right.

It looks like your not going down, and i respect that :) and because i really couldnt be bothered to stick around this thread, do we agree to each other opinions?

Science is Man's work/study of the Universe we live in, it's not infallible and it's not innerant. A lot more things which are unimportant can be learnt by it. You could learn lots about nature from the Bible, just not exactly how it works, which I personally think it is a good thing.

God's revealed himself to me and I'd never dismiss him after everything he's done for me. I don't agree with your opinion, but I accept that we both have free will to chose whatever we want to believe, and it's not my place to tell you what is right or wrong. I hope you'll find understanding soon.

people want direct facts these days, that is why more and more people are questioning everything.

Do you feel sorry for me because i dont believe in God?? I was accepting what you thought and believed. You are too wrapped up in this whole god thing to accept anything against it.

There Is No God

/thread

Facts don't always equal scientific proof. Especially when you're talking about something which is spiritual.

Yes I feel sorry that you've turned away from God. Why would I accept anything other than what I believe? I know the sky appears blue, why would I accept it's yellow?

There is a God.

Are you afraid of death?

Why do people create these GOD dam threads once an hour?

raven_squad

Agred.

Besides which, to every religion lies a faith and to have faith you msut believe in it regardless that if there is fact to it or not.

[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]

wow sounds like you really like God.

ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.

i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument

Lansdowne5

Yes I like God.

It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.

How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.

how can it not? what does christianity have? a 2000 year old book and a whole heap of followers. Science can keep on searching until it finds the answers. once it does, the bible can not beat it.

2000 year old book? Hmmmm, no. A 4000 year old collection of 66 books written by over 40 authors.

Science can prove only what is in the material world, the Bible does far more.

I find it interesting that so many of you say there is absolutely no evidence for a truth behind religion. If there were not even the slightest truth behind it then why does most of the world believe there is a God of some fashion? Not every person who follows a religion of some sort follows blindly (though some do...).

There are no evidences for the flying spaghetti monster for example, that is why no one actually believe it's true. It makes no logical sense as we know a guy made it up for the purpose combating ID.

For people to not flock to science and atheism any more than they do might show that religion and God might actually have some truths behind them.

I'm aware this argument can be used in saying atheism has truth behind it but I actually agree it does. If the evidence was not convincing and at least partially based on truth then why would so many believe it to be true?

...I'm done with my rant.

I find it interesting that so many of you say there is absolutely no evidence for a truth behind religion. If there were not even the slightest truth behind it then why does most of the world believe there is a God of some fashion? Not every person who follows a religion of some sort follows blindly (though some do...).

mindstorm

The difference is nowadays, because of the advances in technology the findings of science provide answers that would have been commonly sought. Of course there are things that scientific findings cant answer - and in some instances never will provide what religion does (the groundings of faith) - which is where religion fills the void.

Of course there are huge amounts of other factors that factor into modern religious beliefs, be it anything from social acceptance, political ideologies, culture, socio economic of the region ect. ect.

There are no evidences for the flying spaghetti monster for example, that is why no one actually believe it's true. It makes no logical sense as we know a guy made it up for the purpose combating ID.mindstorm

I have never seen any kinda of proof of their being a god that created us. To me religion is all based on opinions with no facts behind them.

At least science has had facts in the past and shows you somthing that could have actually happen like the Big Bang.

Thoughts?

JangoWuzHere

really. . .stupid. . .post

I have never seen any proof that there wasn't One either.UssjTrunks

science doesnt disprove God. The simplest explanation is that God set the big bang in motion.metaldude05

I find it interesting that so many of you say there is absolutely no evidence for a truth behind religion. If there were not even the slightest truth behind it then why does most of the world believe there is a God of some fashion?

mindstorm

I always retort that question with this question, "Why do people that believe solely in scientific theories, believe that everything in our solar system just happened to fall into the exact place it did in order to sustain life on Earth like it does?"

I respect people who believe solely in science. To me it requires just as, if not more faith than creationism. We're talking about astronomical odds unlike any we can know. It would be like someone winning the lottery 10 times in a row, if you wanted to compare the odds it took for everything to fall into place like it did.

I'd say it is intuitive to believe in a God personally.

Now that makes no remark about the existence, or non-existence of a God, but nonetheless, atheism is counter-intuitive.

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]science doesnt disprove God. The simplest explanation is that God set the big bang in motion.Funky_Llama

i was just refering to the simplest explanation in favor of a God. Personally i dont Buy that it happened spontaneously but my main point was that there are explanations out there and it doesnt disprove God by any means. I don't like to argue beliefs on here because we hardly get anywhere. i mostly argue the logic behind them, and in this particualar post there seemingly was none. Also you always post the burden of proof is on theism. Why is that?

I always retort that question with this question, "Why do people that believe solely in scientific theories, believe that everything in our solar system just happened to fall into the exact place it did in order to sustain life on Earth like it does?"

I respect people who believe solely in science. To me it requires just as, if not more faith than creationism. We're talking about astronomical odds unlike any we can know. It would be like someone winning the lottery 10 times in a row, if you wanted to compare the odds it took for everything to fall into place like it did.

johnnyv2003

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]science doesnt disprove God. The simplest explanation is that God set the big bang in motion.metaldude05

i was just refering to the simplest explanation in favor of a God. Personally i dont Buy that it happened spontaneously but my main point was that there are explanations out there and it doesnt disprove God by any means. I don't like to argue beliefs on here because we hardly get anywhere. i mostly argue the logic behind them, and in this particualar post there seemingly was none. Also you always post the burden of proof is on theism. Why is that?

[QUOTE="johnnyv2003"]

I always retort that question with this question, "Why do people that believe solely in scientific theories, believe that everything in our solar system just happened to fall into the exact place it did in order to sustain life on Earth like it does?"

I respect people who believe solely in science. To me it requires just as, if not more faith than creationism. We're talking about astronomical odds unlike any we can know. It would be like someone winning the lottery 10 times in a row, if you wanted to compare the odds it took for everything to fall into place like it did.

Funky_Llama

if that were the case, then you could say that there should be life that is sustainable on the Sun then? Since life should be able to adapt to its environment?

Either way, you're changing the point of the question. I didn't say that life doesn't adapt, I merely asked how someone could believe in the odds of the "environment" forming like it did to sustain human life, and life in general on our planet. To where we were able to evolve into a being that questions its own existence, and contemplates a creator. The odds just keep increasing.

Everything we know to exist on earth has a creator or designer. You don't walk in a desert and find a house their and assume that there must have been an explosion and things just magically came together. So why do people fight the notion that the most complex beings on the planet and the shear precisness of the solar system and surrounding planets is based on some fluke event?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="johnnyv2003"]

I always retort that question with this question, "Why do people that believe solely in scientific theories, believe that everything in our solar system just happened to fall into the exact place it did in order to sustain life on Earth like it does?"

I respect people who believe solely in science. To me it requires just as, if not more faith than creationism. We're talking about astronomical odds unlike any we can know. It would be like someone winning the lottery 10 times in a row, if you wanted to compare the odds it took for everything to fall into place like it did.

johnnyv2003

if that were the case, then you could say that there should be life that is sustainable on the Sun then? Since life should be able to adapt to its environment?

[QUOTE="johnnyv2003"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="johnnyv2003"]

I always retort that question with this question, "Why do people that believe solely in scientific theories, believe that everything in our solar system just happened to fall into the exact place it did in order to sustain life on Earth like it does?"

I respect people who believe solely in science. To me it requires just as, if not more faith than creationism. We're talking about astronomical odds unlike any we can know. It would be like someone winning the lottery 10 times in a row, if you wanted to compare the odds it took for everything to fall into place like it did.

Funky_Llama

if that were the case, then you could say that there should be life that is sustainable on the Sun then? Since life should be able to adapt to its environment?

but doesn't that go against the thoughts on adaptation?

I have never seen any proof that there wasn't One either.UssjTrunks

So? That still doesn't mean anything. I can make up something completely stupid and use that as an excuse, but it doesn't make it any more realistic.

Anyways, people believe in God because that's simply the conclusion they come to when thinking of the universe and how we were created. I personally think the existence of God is a load of crap, but that's just my opinion. I don't really care if others do or don't believe in God. However, religion really ticks me off. I think that people who strictly follow a religion are ignorant and can't think for themselves. Just believing in God, however, is totally fine to me.

in b4 angry theists that attack me because they can't handle somebody's opinion.

[QUOTE="metaldude05"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]science doesnt disprove God. The simplest explanation is that God set the big bang in motion.Funky_Llama

i was just refering to the simplest explanation in favor of a God. Personally i dont Buy that it happened spontaneously but my main point was that there are explanations out there and it doesnt disprove God by any means. I don't like to argue beliefs on here because we hardly get anywhere. i mostly argue the logic behind them, and in this particualar post there seemingly was none. Also you always post the burden of proof is on theism. Why is that?

not necessarily your making the opposite claim. i dont see how its different. i think that's just a cop out

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="johnnyv2003"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="johnnyv2003"]

I always retort that question with this question, "Why do people that believe solely in scientific theories, believe that everything in our solar system just happened to fall into the exact place it did in order to sustain life on Earth like it does?"

I respect people who believe solely in science. To me it requires just as, if not more faith than creationism. We're talking about astronomical odds unlike any we can know. It would be like someone winning the lottery 10 times in a row, if you wanted to compare the odds it took for everything to fall into place like it did.

johnnyv2003

if that were the case, then you could say that there should be life that is sustainable on the Sun then? Since life should be able to adapt to its environment?

but doesn't that go against the thoughts on adaptation?

i believe in god because the world is just so well designed and complex to of just happened after some random big bang. there has to be a creator. the way things just go hand in hand with one another the world must of be created by some geniuse of a being.Blitz_Nemesis

You only believe the universe around us is "complex" and "well designed" because you, like every other human in current existance, have never seen an alternative. Everybody thinks that it's so natural that an apple would fall to the ground due to gravity because we have never lived in a reality where an apple will remain floating in space due to a lack of gravity, etc. The world around you seems so perfect because you, like many others, take everything around you for granted.

I will ask you this; what would you think if, one day, you woke up and everybody had furry littles tails coming out of their rears? Would you not think that these people are odd because of these new-found appendages they have? Do you think they would find YOU odd because you have no tail yourself? The answer to both cases is most likely yes.

The universe around us is far from perfect and our limited human sub-conscience is what tries to convince us otherwise.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="metaldude05"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]science doesnt disprove God. The simplest explanation is that God set the big bang in motion.metaldude05

i was just refering to the simplest explanation in favor of a God. Personally i dont Buy that it happened spontaneously but my main point was that there are explanations out there and it doesnt disprove God by any means. I don't like to argue beliefs on here because we hardly get anywhere. i mostly argue the logic behind them, and in this particualar post there seemingly was none. Also you always post the burden of proof is on theism. Why is that?

not necessarily your making the opposite claim. i dont see how its different. i think that's just a cop out

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I have never seen any proof that there wasn't One either.Zaeryn

So? That still doesn't mean anything. I can make up something completely stupid and use that as an excuse, but it doesn't make it any more realistic.

Anyways, people believe in God because that's simply the conclusion they come to when thinking of the universe and how we were created. I personally think the existence of God is a load of crap, but that's just my opinion. I don't really care if others do or don't believe in God. However, religion really ticks me off. I think that people who strictly follow a religion are ignorant and can't think for themselves. Just believing in God, however, is totally fine to me.

in b4 angry theists that attack me because they can't handle somebody's opinion.

i can handle the opinion. I just find it funny because it's the same way I think about athiests. "Following a religion makes someone ignorant", when Science itself is a religion. Your placing your faith in fallible men to take evidence and tell people the conclusions they come up with, based on it. I find it laughable how athiests try to distance themselves from religion, when believing in nothing, or believing in science is in and of itself a belief system.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I have never seen any proof that there wasn't One either.johnnyv2003

So? That still doesn't mean anything. I can make up something completely stupid and use that as an excuse, but it doesn't make it any more realistic.

Anyways, people believe in God because that's simply the conclusion they come to when thinking of the universe and how we were created. I personally think the existence of God is a load of crap, but that's just my opinion. I don't really care if others do or don't believe in God. However, religion really ticks me off. I think that people who strictly follow a religion are ignorant and can't think for themselves. Just believing in God, however, is totally fine to me.

in b4 angry theists that attack me because they can't handle somebody's opinion.

i can handle the opinion. I just find it funny because it's the same way I think about athiests. "Following a religion makes someone ignorant", when Science itself is a religion. Your placing your faith in fallible men to take evidence and tell people the conclusions they come up with, based on it. I find it laughable how athiests try to distance themselves from religion, when believing in nothing, or believing in science is in and of itself a belief system.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I have never seen any proof that there wasn't One either.johnnyv2003

So? That still doesn't mean anything. I can make up something completely stupid and use that as an excuse, but it doesn't make it any more realistic.

Anyways, people believe in God because that's simply the conclusion they come to when thinking of the universe and how we were created. I personally think the existence of God is a load of crap, but that's just my opinion. I don't really care if others do or don't believe in God. However, religion really ticks me off. I think that people who strictly follow a religion are ignorant and can't think for themselves. Just believing in God, however, is totally fine to me.

in b4 angry theists that attack me because they can't handle somebody's opinion.

i can handle the opinion. I just find it funny because it's the same way I think about athiests. "Following a religion makes someone ignorant", when Science itself is a religion. Your placing your faith in fallible men to take evidence and tell people the conclusions they come up with, based on it. I find it laughable how athiests try to distance themselves from religion, when believing in nothing, or believing in science is in and of itself a belief system.

Science is not a religion, it is simply studying the physical world around us.

[QUOTE="johnnyv2003"][QUOTE="Zaeryn"]

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I have never seen any proof that there wasn't One either.Funky_Llama

So? That still doesn't mean anything. I can make up something completely stupid and use that as an excuse, but it doesn't make it any more realistic.

Anyways, people believe in God because that's simply the conclusion they come to when thinking of the universe and how we were created. I personally think the existence of God is a load of crap, but that's just my opinion. I don't really care if others do or don't believe in God. However, religion really ticks me off. I think that people who strictly follow a religion are ignorant and can't think for themselves. Just believing in God, however, is totally fine to me.

in b4 angry theists that attack me because they can't handle somebody's opinion.

i can handle the opinion. I just find it funny because it's the same way I think about athiests. "Following a religion makes someone ignorant", when Science itself is a religion. Your placing your faith in fallible men to take evidence and tell people the conclusions they come up with, based on it. I find it laughable how athiests try to distance themselves from religion, when believing in nothing, or believing in science is in and of itself a belief system.

that's because religion is a broad word. There's nothing wrong with being a religion. Many of the great things that have come about in this world have come by way of religion. There has been evil things as well, but science and the study of it is no different. All of its theories were/are created by, like I said, fallible men who we entrust to provide said theories.

that's because religion is a broad word. There's nothing wrong with being a religion. Many of the great things that have come about in this world have come by way of religion. There has been evil things as well, but science and the study of it is no different. All of its theories were/are created by, like I said, fallible men who we entrust to provide said theories.

johnnyv2003

I have never seen any kinda of proof of their being a god that created us. To me religion is all based on opinions with no facts behind them.

At least science has had facts in the past and shows you somthing that could have actually happen like the Big Bang.

Thoughts?

JangoWuzHere

There are actually a lot of facts that can somewhat prove most religions.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="johnnyv2003"][QUOTE="Zaeryn"]

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]I have never seen any proof that there wasn't One either.johnnyv2003

So? That still doesn't mean anything. I can make up something completely stupid and use that as an excuse, but it doesn't make it any more realistic.

Anyways, people believe in God because that's simply the conclusion they come to when thinking of the universe and how we were created. I personally think the existence of God is a load of crap, but that's just my opinion. I don't really care if others do or don't believe in God. However, religion really ticks me off. I think that people who strictly follow a religion are ignorant and can't think for themselves. Just believing in God, however, is totally fine to me.

in b4 angry theists that attack me because they can't handle somebody's opinion.

i can handle the opinion. I just find it funny because it's the same way I think about athiests. "Following a religion makes someone ignorant", when Science itself is a religion. Your placing your faith in fallible men to take evidence and tell people the conclusions they come up with, based on it. I find it laughable how athiests try to distance themselves from religion, when believing in nothing, or believing in science is in and of itself a belief system.

that's because religion is a broad word. There's nothing wrong with being a religion. Many of the great things that have come about in this world have come by way of religion. There has been evil things as well, but science and the study of it is no different. All of its theories were/are created by, like I said, fallible men who we entrust to provide said theories.

2. Your claim that scientific theories are blindly accepted is downright wrong. Any scientific theory comes under immense scrutiny before it's accepted.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

I have never seen any kinda of proof of their being a god that created us. To me religion is all based on opinions with no facts behind them.

At least science has had facts in the past and shows you somthing that could have actually happen like the Big Bang.

Thoughts?

harashawn

There are actually a lot of facts that can somewhat prove most religions.

My god, does OT ever bite the religion thread hook..... :roll:

You guys argue more about this then Billy Graham would argue with Charles Darwin.

Oh? And what might those facts be?Funky_Llama

For Christianity:

Jesus was a real person.

Sea creatures were created before land creatures. (This has been proven by science.)

The big bang theory more of less supports the existence of a creator.

Just to name a few.

I'll give you an example.

Yesterday evening I heard a Man speak on the past few years of his life.

He wasn't a Christian until the age of 15. He'd heard about this 'god' and some 'spirit thing' but couldn't be bothered with it. One day day he joined this youth group, and it was his first experience of 'The God'. He realised that Jesus had saved him and he repented and read his Bible.

The next day, he was wondering whether he'd made the right decision or not. Anyway he saw an old lady sitting on a bench and she looked like she was in pain so he walked over to her. He asked her if she was alright and she said her hand was in lots of pain. It was stiff and curled over. He remembered the night before and they had said that when Jesus came he gave us the power to do miracles and cast out demons and so on. So he asked if he could pray for her. She wasn't religious and was so shocked she just said yes. He put his hand on hers and said "Please Lord Jesus, heal this lady. Amen." Her hand relaxed and he stood back, she said the pain was gone.

Twenty years later, he was still a Christian, and he now worked for a company that paid him millions every year. He had nice cars and a massive house and everything. Well one day, he decided he wanted to teach the gospel and help more people, so he asked the company if they could do something to promote Christianity. They laughed and said apsolutely not. So the man left the company. He prayed about what to and so did his wife. And one day, he saw this man coming up the path with a For Sale sign, he placed it in the ground and then walked off. The man wondered what was going on and then a few minutes later his wife got home. She had put the house on the market because she felt this was what God wanted them to do. They prayed that God would help them to sell the house within a few weeks if this was really what he wanted.

Two hours later, there was at knock at the door. A lady had seen the For Sale sign and wanted to have a look around the house. So the man let her in and once she'd had a look around she said she wanted it. The Man was shocked and said she didn't even know what price it was yet. She said she would pay whatever price it was up for.

So they sold the house and they sold the cars and everything. And they didn't know what they were going to do yet. They had a lot of money and had planned to move down South and buy another house somewhere. They heard about this Drugs and Alchohol rehibilitation centre and decided they would move down and see if they could help out there, spread the gospel and so on. So they moved to a small caravan in the middle of a feild with a broken toilet next to the centre. They helped in there and did what they thought God wanted. But they weren't 'relying' on God as such because they still had all this money. So one night, this man couldn't sleep and told his wife he thought God wanted him to give their money away and trust him for what they needed. So they did. They gave away millions and millions and all they kept was two coffee tables and a small TV.

The man remembered back to when he was younger and how he had come to meet Christ for the first time at the youth group and decided that this was the way forward. So they took out a loan and designed this fold down truck with lighting equipment and audio equipment that they would travel around and do Christian concerts where kids could come and enjoy.

So they were still in the caravan and now they had this truck, but unfortunately the man developed this cough and it got worse and worse everyday. He went to see the doctor and the doctor sent him for a scan and it turned out he had cancer. The doctors gave him 1 year, unitl the following Christmas to live. He accepted it and went back up to the Church he used to go to, and the whole Church came round him and prayed for his healing. He went back to the doctors and they said it had grown larger and he went back again and they said it was even larger until he had about 2 months to live. He went back and asked how long he had. And they said well they didn't know. And he asked them what they meant. And they said that the cancer had dissapeared. And he was gobsmacked and thanked God and the then doctor said to him (who wasn't religious) "I don't know what deal you've got going on with God, but it must be good".

They were still in debt from the truck and they were praying that God would provide them with the money they needed and one day they had a phonecall from someone who said they had heard they were in debt. They were a Christian and wanted to help so they paid off the loan.

The man and his wife went on and did some concerts where lots of people were introduced to the first time to God.

And finally, after 5 years of living in the old caravan and helping out in the rehibilitation centre, a trust let them have a cottage to stay not far up the road, so now they live there. They have two dogs to keep them busy, just enough money to live on and every now and then they do one of these concerts, and you know what? There happier than they've ever been in their entire lives.

So in answer to your question, that's why people believe in God.

Lansdowne5

Are you sure that's true? Are you sure you didn't just MAKE THAT UP?

For Christianity:

Jesus was a real person.

Sea creatures were created before land creatures. (This has been proven by science.)

harashawn

The big bang theory more of less supports the existence of a creator.harashawn