Why do people continue to insist that 9/11 was staged?

I wouldn't put it past the American government to do something like that. Sorry.Scarebaby

Do you know how many people would have to be in on something of that scale? Somebody would find it terrible and morally wrong and it would be found out. It's a democracy/republic whatever you want to call it; not a dictatorship.

Some people want to believe there was something more to a terrible event. That it couldn't be so simple as people out to cause damage to innocents.

That said, JFK totally was assassinated by the government.

Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."MythofSisyphus

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

You know so many goverment offical even agreed that it was staged. It was probably staged. No rally search up so much reaserch about building, bush and so much more you will find your eveidence. Soulkiller225

With all this proof that you have, you should go public with it. Take it to the media.

[QUOTE="MythofSisyphus"]Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."Brainkiller05

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]I wouldn't put it past the American government to do something like that. Sorry.The_Mac_Daddy

Do you know how many people would have to be in on something of that scale? Somebody would find it terrible and morally wrong and it would be found out. It's a democracy/republic whatever you want to call it; not a dictatorship.

I'm not saying it was staged, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if someone prevented me with rock solid evidence that it was. As it is now, I don't believe either way.

Some people want to believe there was something more to a terrible event. That it couldn't be so simple as people out to cause damage to innocents.

That said, JFK totally was assassinated by the government.

Samwel_X

JFK was assassinated by the mafia. I know that for a fact. New Orleans mafia and dallas mafia were the main ones. My moms friend and her friend were in dallas 2 weeks before the assassination and jack ruby introduced himself and his friend lee harvy to them and asked if they would help move boxes or something. So jack and lee harvy knew each other.

Ever heard what carlos marcello said about jfk? I can get into a lot of detail about it all, but I'll just shorten it and say it was the mafia behind the assassination. Some of the gov. may have been involved too, I'm not sure. But the mafia def. was.

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[QUOTE="MythofSisyphus"]Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."DeeJayInphinity

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

Don't forget about the ominous music they play in the background while making said claims. ;)

[QUOTE="MythofSisyphus"]Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."Brainkiller05

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

lol, no, ive watched all of those little youtube videos. The "evidence" in most cases is ridiculous. It's essentially a propaganda movie. If you think about it logically (e.g. all the people it would take to carry something like that out) it just doesnt make any sense. Do I think the government would do something like that if they could? Maybe. Did they... No... they cant even carry out something like the invasion of iraq without screwing it up.

People tend to not believe people who tell them stories full of holes.

And some of those want to make others see what they find obvious.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="MythofSisyphus"]Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."Dutch_Mix

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

Don't forget about the ominous music they play in the background while making said claims. ;)

You don't question why a crime scene was tampered with?

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="MythofSisyphus"]Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."MythofSisyphus

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

lol, no, ive watched all of those little youtube videos. The "evidence" in most cases is ridiculous. It's essentially a propaganda movie. If you think about it logically (e.g. all the people it would take to carry something like that out) it just doesnt make any sense. Do I think the government would do something like that if they could? Maybe. Did they... No... they cant even carry out something like the invasion of iraq without screwing it up.

Now saying the government was involved is a little far fetched but I do believe that it was more than just planes that took those buildings down.

You don't question why a crime scene was tampered with?

xscrapzx

[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="MythofSisyphus"]Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."xscrapzx

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

Don't forget about the ominous music they play in the background while making said claims. ;)

You don't question why a crime scene was tampered with?

I would if there was actual evidence to prove said crime scene was tampered with...

because, believe it or not, there actually evidence to support the argument.

Frankly, I find it stupid to not question 9/11. Are we supposed to feel ashamed for debating such a tragic thing? No, I think its our duty to find out what really happened.

-The buildings imploded
-There have been hardly any terrorist attacks against the US, and zero on this scale, and we are supposed to suddenly believe that, on their first try, two terrorists with training in a Cessna flew two huge airliners precisely into the two buildings? Sorry, thats a bit much to choke down...
-Jet fuel burns hot, yes, but not hot enough to melt all the steel structure inside the bulding. Furthermore, jet fuel could not have sprayed everywhere as it did equally throughout the floors.
-How can a building that supports so much suddenly crumble from the bottom? It defies logic...a building that gets chopped off at a certain floor should collapse and tip over from that floor. It should collapse equally throughout the whole damn building.
-If the terrorists were so smart, why did they attack at a time when hardly anyone was working in the WTC? At its capacity, there were supposed to be 30k+ people in the WTC! A real terrorists would attack then, not before or after.

the fact is, its easier to believe our corrupt leaders and think terrorists did it. But honestly; look at Bush, look at Cheney, look at Rumsfeldt and Rove...do you really think it is beyond them to plan a self-serving attack on the US? They have no qualms about publicly supporting the deaths of thousands of US men and women at the moment, do you think they would have issues with secretly sacrificing 3000+ innocent US citizans?

I thought it was already proven that it was a inside job?Psychosisrain

it was but you know some nuts just cant handle it

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You don't question why a crime scene was tampered with?

DeeJayInphinity

Yes it was, there was a lot of stuff that was taken away that could of been investigated further, instead a lot of it just being hauled off on trucks and sent to be melted down. Now I understand things had to be moved to help survivors, but they didn't have to do it in the fashion that they did because the way they did it was tampering with evidence, you don't take away intricle parts of a crime and send them off to be metled down such as steel beams.

If you want some good conspiracy "facts", check out http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

because, believe it or not, there actually evidence to support the argument.

Frankly, I find it stupid to not question 9/11. Are we supposed to feel ashamed for debating such a tragic thing? No, I think its our duty to find out what really happened.

-The buildings imploded
-There have been hardly any terrorist attacks against the US, and zero on this scale, and we are supposed to suddenly believe that, on their first try, two terrorists with training in a Cessna flew two huge airliners precisely into the two buildings? Sorry, thats a bit much to choke down...
-Jet fuel burns hot, yes, but not hot enough to melt all the steel structure inside the bulding. Furthermore, jet fuel could not have sprayed everywhere as it did equally throughout the floors.
-How can a building that supports so much suddenly crumble from the bottom? It defies logic...a building that gets chopped off at a certain floor should collapse and tip over from that floor. It should collapse equally throughout the whole damn building.

the fact is, its easier to believe our corrupt leaders and think terrorists did it. But honestly; look at Bush, look at Cheney, look at Rumsfeldt and Rove...do you really think it is beyond them to plan a self-serving attack on the US? They have no qualms about publicly supporting the deaths of thousands of US men and women at the moment, do you think they would have issues with secretly sacrificing 3000+ innocent US citizans?

mrbojangles25

So you are an expert in the field, huh?

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="MythofSisyphus"]Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."Dutch_Mix

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

Don't forget about the ominous music they play in the background while making said claims. ;)

You don't question why a crime scene was tampered with?

I would if there was actual evidence to prove said crime scene was tampered with...

Um all you have to do is look at the trucks that were pulling away with steel beams, thats taking away evidence that could of been investigated to see what the hell melted the steel beams. Instead it was taken away and sent off to be recycled. Don't see anything wrong with that?

because, believe it or not, there actually evidence to support the argument.

Frankly, I find it stupid to not question 9/11. Are we supposed to feel ashamed for debating such a tragic thing? No, I think its our duty to find out what really happened.

-The buildings imploded
-There have been hardly any terrorist attacks against the US, and zero on this scale, and we are supposed to suddenly believe that, on their first try, two terrorists with training in a Cessna flew two huge airliners precisely into the two buildings? Sorry, thats a bit much to choke down...
-Jet fuel burns hot, yes, but not hot enough to melt all the steel structure inside the bulding. Furthermore, jet fuel could not have sprayed everywhere as it did equally throughout the floors.
-How can a building that supports so much suddenly crumble from the bottom? It defies logic...a building that gets chopped off at a certain floor should collapse and tip over from that floor. It should collapse equally throughout the whole damn building.
-If the terrorists were so smart, why did they attack at a time when hardly anyone was working in the WTC? At its capacity, there were supposed to be 30k+ people in the WTC! A real terrorists would attack then, not before or after.

the fact is, its easier to believe our corrupt leaders and think terrorists did it. But honestly; look at Bush, look at Cheney, look at Rumsfeldt and Rove...do you really think it is beyond them to plan a self-serving attack on the US? They have no qualms about publicly supporting the deaths of thousands of US men and women at the moment, do you think they would have issues with secretly sacrificing 3000+ innocent US citizans?

mrbojangles25

So basically, you're an expert on flying airplanes and demolishing buildings?

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

because, believe it or not, there actually evidence to support the argument.

Frankly, I find it stupid to not question 9/11. Are we supposed to feel ashamed for debating such a tragic thing? No, I think its our duty to find out what really happened.

-The buildings imploded
-There have been hardly any terrorist attacks against the US, and zero on this scale, and we are supposed to suddenly believe that, on their first try, two terrorists with training in a Cessna flew two huge airliners precisely into the two buildings? Sorry, thats a bit much to choke down...
-Jet fuel burns hot, yes, but not hot enough to melt all the steel structure inside the bulding. Furthermore, jet fuel could not have sprayed everywhere as it did equally throughout the floors.
-How can a building that supports so much suddenly crumble from the bottom? It defies logic...a building that gets chopped off at a certain floor should collapse and tip over from that floor. It should collapse equally throughout the whole damn building.

the fact is, its easier to believe our corrupt leaders and think terrorists did it. But honestly; look at Bush, look at Cheney, look at Rumsfeldt and Rove...do you really think it is beyond them to plan a self-serving attack on the US? They have no qualms about publicly supporting the deaths of thousands of US men and women at the moment, do you think they would have issues with secretly sacrificing 3000+ innocent US citizans?

The_Mac_Daddy

So you are an expert in the field, huh?

Hello its not about being an expert at all. Its freakin common sense, how the hell do you explain an 110 story building collasping at free fall speed? Do you really believe this senerio? Stand on the north tower drop a baseball and have an 110 story building fall at the same rate of speed, even though it has 90+ floors below it not causing any interference with the fall speed what so ever?

It was a bunch of pissed off muslims.

Pissed off by American Imperialism mind you, but still pissed off muslims and not Americans.

However in a circular manner it's so obvious! The Americans pissed off the Muslims in order to make them attack the twin towers so they could have a real excuse to fight the Iraq war :P

.. or an "inside job" by our government? Most rediculous thing ever. Does anybody have that clip from a southpark episode where Bush talks about how it was the most perfectly executed plan ever created, ever. It was almost too easy. LOL.The_Mac_Daddy

although i dont believe the government did 911, most people who try to poke fun at the "911 truthers" dont even put together an argument to prove there point. remember simply LUAGHING at people makes it seem like YOU are a sheep.

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[QUOTE="MythofSisyphus"]Because conspiracy theorists ignore all evidence that goes against their convoluted theories. For instance, they will listen to those (various professors from no name universities) who agree with their theories, and reject any professional opinions that disagree on the basis that "they're part of the conspriacy."MythofSisyphus

Or maybe people like you with this bais against them completely ignore the facts the theorists provide and just call them crack heads.

lol, no, ive watched all of those little youtube videos. The "evidence" in most cases is ridiculous. It's essentially a propaganda movie. If you think about it logically (e.g. all the people it would take to carry something like that out) it just doesnt make any sense. Do I think the government would do something like that if they could? Maybe. Did they... No... they cant even carry out something like the invasion of iraq without screwing it up.

actually the invasion of iraq was successful, its the rebuilding of iraq that we cant do. We destroyed Iraq extremely easily.

Um all you have to do is look at the trucks that were pulling away with steel beams, thats taking away evidence that could of been investigated to see what the hell melted the steel beams. Instead it was taken away and sent off to be recycled. Don't see anything wrong with that?

xscrapzx

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

because, believe it or not, there actually evidence to support the argument.

Frankly, I find it stupid to not question 9/11. Are we supposed to feel ashamed for debating such a tragic thing? No, I think its our duty to find out what really happened.

-The buildings imploded
-There have been hardly any terrorist attacks against the US, and zero on this scale, and we are supposed to suddenly believe that, on their first try, two terrorists with training in a Cessna flew two huge airliners precisely into the two buildings? Sorry, thats a bit much to choke down...
-Jet fuel burns hot, yes, but not hot enough to melt all the steel structure inside the bulding. Furthermore, jet fuel could not have sprayed everywhere as it did equally throughout the floors.
-How can a building that supports so much suddenly crumble from the bottom? It defies logic...a building that gets chopped off at a certain floor should collapse and tip over from that floor. It should collapse equally throughout the whole damn building.

the fact is, its easier to believe our corrupt leaders and think terrorists did it. But honestly; look at Bush, look at Cheney, look at Rumsfeldt and Rove...do you really think it is beyond them to plan a self-serving attack on the US? They have no qualms about publicly supporting the deaths of thousands of US men and women at the moment, do you think they would have issues with secretly sacrificing 3000+ innocent US citizans?

The_Mac_Daddy

So you are an expert in the field, huh?

thats it, attack my credibility, not the issue at hand. A person is free to speculate in this country, by the way.

no, but a lot of people that think 9/11 is an inside job are experts, i.e. structural engineers, architects, demolitions experts...the list goes on.

Face it man, the only reason people think 9/11 was a terrorist attack is because the media and president told us so. Have you seen any real proof that it was a terrorist attack?

Now instead of being a smartass, why dont you tell us why you think it wasnt an inside job.

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Um all you have to do is look at the trucks that were pulling away with steel beams, thats taking away evidence that could of been investigated to see what the hell melted the steel beams. Instead it was taken away and sent off to be recycled. Don't see anything wrong with that?

DeeJayInphinity

Ya but if you knew that it takes 2500 hundred dagrees for steel to melt then you would know that jet fuel does not burn at that temperature. Also you should ask yourself this question. What does it mean when there is black smoke? Enough said.

Um all you have to do is look at the trucks that were pulling away with steel beams, thats taking away evidence that could of been investigated to see what the hell melted the steel beams. Instead it was taken away and sent off to be recycled. Don't see anything wrong with that?

xscrapzx

Oh, so that's where all the evidence went, huh? :roll:

Anyway, the jet fuel from the planes didn't have to melt through the beams in order to bring down the towers. The fires simply had to be hot enough so that the structural integrity of the beams would be compromised.

because, believe it or not, there actually evidence to support the argument.

Frankly, I find it stupid to not question 9/11. Are we supposed to feel ashamed for debating such a tragic thing? No, I think its our duty to find out what really happened.

-The buildings imploded
-There have been hardly any terrorist attacks against the US, and zero on this scale, and we are supposed to suddenly believe that, on their first try, two terrorists with training in a Cessna flew two huge airliners precisely into the two buildings? Sorry, thats a bit much to choke down...
-Jet fuel burns hot, yes, but not hot enough to melt all the steel structure inside the bulding. Furthermore, jet fuel could not have sprayed everywhere as it did equally throughout the floors.
-How can a building that supports so much suddenly crumble from the bottom? It defies logic...a building that gets chopped off at a certain floor should collapse and tip over from that floor. It should collapse equally throughout the whole damn building.
-If the terrorists were so smart, why did they attack at a time when hardly anyone was working in the WTC? At its capacity, there were supposed to be 30k+ people in the WTC! A real terrorists would attack then, not before or after.

the fact is, its easier to believe our corrupt leaders and think terrorists did it. But honestly; look at Bush, look at Cheney, look at Rumsfeldt and Rove...do you really think it is beyond them to plan a self-serving attack on the US? They have no qualms about publicly supporting the deaths of thousands of US men and women at the moment, do you think they would have issues with secretly sacrificing 3000+ innocent US citizans?

mrbojangles25

None of those points are convincing. There have been several failed or less successful attempts at terrorist attacks against the US. The WTC was bombed several years before 9/11 - they attempted to cause an implosion but failed. There was a bombing attack planned on LAX but the terrorists were stopped. Oklahoma City was bombed resulting in quite a significant loss of life.

The jetliners weren't flown precisely into the WTC - they simply were flown into it. They did not know how to take off or land, merely how to control the plane in flight. Even that, they struggled with.

Your theories on the mechanical collapse are not correct. The fire caused by burning jet fuel can burn quite hot. It doesn't need to melt steel, merely reduce its mechanical strength resulting in mechanical failure. The buildings had already absorbed the impact of a jumbojetliner - the further weakening caused by the fire certainly would cause them to fail. To date, no respectable engineer has disagreed with that.

The terrorists were limited by the time of the flights and type of planes that were available. They needed a large plane that was loaded with fuel for a long flight. They couldn't choose the exact times. The issues on the timing weren't entirely in their hands.

If you look hard enough, you can make up facts to support that it was an inside job. But the majority of facts that are out there do not support that. There is more solid evidence showing that it happened just as we saw.

Have you seen any real proof that it was a terrorist attack?mrbojangles25

You mean besides the kamikaze airplanes?

Cause 1/4 of Americans are retards.

People have read way too many comic books, and played MGS way too many times, that they actually believe in all sorts of massive conspiracy theories.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Have you seen any real proof that it was a terrorist attack?Oleg_Huzwog

You mean besides the kamikaze airplanes?

You mean they were Japanese?

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"].. or an "inside job" by our government? Most rediculous thing ever. Does anybody have that clip from a southpark episode where Bush talks about how it was the most perfectly executed plan ever created, ever. It was almost too easy. LOL.H8sMikeMoore

although i dont believe the government did 911, most people who try to poke fun at the "911 truthers" dont even put together an argument to prove there point. remember simply LUAGHING at people makes it seem like YOU are a sheep.

When they believe something as ridiculous as the towers falling faster than free fall speed (faster than gravity), you can't help but laugh.