Why do people dislike Hillary Clinton?

Once again, what progress have they made? You have brought forth a report where people say Saudi Arabia is making great progress. That is not the same as showing how they have progressed.

@hillelslovak: Never mind mate, its no use. The whole world honors Saudi Arabia of their progress and your still blind to the fact. Its no use debating you, were making zero progress.

No, you put forth the positive claim, so prove it. The world says they have made great strides? You mean UN delegates praised them. You state the whole world praises them, when the article you brought shows that not even the whole council supports the praise. That is the reality. Show me proof of any policy Saudi Arabia has radically changed to benefit any group. It is true the leaders are typically a bit more liberal than the people they rule over, this is not saying much. time after time, for decades, the House of Saud has put forth ballot measures to allow women to drive alone. Each and every time, either the people vote it down near unanimously, or numerous Islamic Councils, like Shoura, knock it down. Is this really progress, and the type you want on a world stage?

You might want to just go "Nah, it's no use" and I think it is because you have refused to actually bring forth any facts.

Yeah, Hillary Dislike is bipartisian. Liberals do it, so do conservatives. And they all have good reasons to dislike her.

FYI,

The ISIS that made it (aka Saudi Arabia), rather recently bombed Shia civilians, and guess who supplied them with those weapons? Hillary did.

@hillelslovak: Saudi Arabia has been allowing women progress in employment opportunities. Now what, youll still ignore the progress theyve made. its no use debating.

@Maroxad: Did you just state Hillary supplied ISIS with weapons? Youve got to be joking.

You made a claim in this post. Back it up with facts, and I will read the reports or studies you bring forth. I care about facts though, so if you want your claim to be taken seriously, please provide them if you have them.

@hillelslovak: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2016/02/saudi-arabia-women-text

Enjoy, its a good read.

Well, that is indeed change. Are you willing to wait another 1000 years for Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Muslim world to catch up? It took christianity around 500 years to reform enough to not pose an outright threat to our survival as a species. Do you think Islam, and the human species, has another 500 to 1000 years? With advances in nuclear technology making the possibility of anyone being able to kills hundreds of thousands at a time, is women having coffee, or shopping alone enough change for you? I hate to break it to you, but Saudi Arabia still executes thieves, apostates, and homosexuals. Women are still explicitly the property of men, and their testimony still counts as half a man's in a court of law. The article you showed still highlights the segregation in their society, which is state forced.

So tell me, is this change anywhere near where you think Muslims societies are capable of, and does any of this mean much when Saudi Arabia is the chief exporter of Wahhabism in the world?

Saudi Arabia = "ISIS that made it"

However. The US has been accidently supplying the literal ISIS with weapons as well. Albeit indirectly. The US foreign policy is an utter disaster.

@hillelslovak: All that progress was under one King in very recent years. I dont think well be waiting longer, but i rather have something than nothing. Its the same with Iran. They are making progress pretty peacefully, its something we have to live with.

@Maroxad: No we havnt, they have been stealing them from us. America would never supply terrorist groups. Not even ol crazy McCain and the House would be stupid enough to do that, wed have their heads.

Same end result.

Intent may not be malicious, but its government incompetence nonetheless.

@Maroxad: Thats fair, it is our fault we left the weapons there. We have been trying to fix the situation though, but its hard when Obama dont get much help.

I like Obamas drone strategy better. I think its better then then what the Republicans did in their wars.

Post 9. Claim with no facts

Post 20. Nothing but a claim, with rhetoric. No facts.

Post 29. You brought up Republicans blocking funding for vets. This is nothing new. For all their bluster of loving and representing the troops, they do not. This is not news, and not a plus for Hilary. You then brought rhetoric on the Clinton foundation. Then you bring up a factcheck article which credited her with the implementation of the plan, which I critiqued as making little to no difference, like Common Core and No Child Left Behind.

Post 52, more rhetoric, with no facts to be had.

Lastly, I hate to break it to you, there is no such thing as a conservative, or liberal fantasy. One is either aligned with the available facts and arguments, or one is not.

You have steadfastly refused to address any of the other myriad issues I brought up as well. Once again:

Tell me, what do you think about her lying about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia, or her role in the war as a whole? What about her talking about women's rights, despite taking money from some of the most despotic and anti women countries on the planet, like Saudi Arabia? What about the extremely flippant way she discussed the murder of Gaddafi in Libya, instead of putting him on trial under the rule of international law? What about her repeated refusal to support the gay and lesbian community until 2013, when it was politically expedient? What about her large part in creating the 3 strikes rule in the legal system, something that screwed over minorities? What about the years she covered up her husband's serial whoring, turning the white house into a bordello, and simply stated it was a conservative conspiracy? Remember how she worked to silence the women who accused her husband of sexual misconduct?

Why dont you hold these countries to the same standard as all the other countries who conform to liberal values? It is not enough for them to implement tiny little social changes, while spewing and funding an ideology of Islam that is explicitly terroristic.

@hillelslovak: O dont mistake my kindness for weakness, i dislike Saudi Arabia a lot. I cant stand no middle east countries. But i understand they are different. I wish they could be more like United States, Japan, France, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, etc. But that takes time.

How can we truly condemn their ideology when we have so many extreme conservatives in our own back yard. We have to work together as a country and world. We are all in this together.

Because the extreme conservatives in our midst are not taken seriously, whereas groups like ISIS have considerable respect within the Muslim world. Also, the conservative loonies in our country vote to strip the rights from gays, not allow them to be married, be discriminated against in housing, adoption or employment. The Muslim hardliners, however, want to take their heads off, or collapse walls on them. This is a huge difference.

Look at this poll, done on British Muslims, who when in the minority, drone on and on about the rights of the minorities.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey

52 percent of British Muslims think homosexuality should be banned. That is a striking revelation. And this is by Muslims in the west. There is a difference in what people believe, because beliefs are the drivers of actions.

So the House of Saud does not spend their money on good things, so they give it to Hilary, seemingly unaware what they have done with their millions, and she does good with it. Do you have any idea how stupid that makes you sound?

So, we cannot allow Donald Trump into office because of all of his deformities, so we put someone against him, and ignore all of her deformities? Will you sacrifice all of your principles for a pathological liar (ie a polticians) who merely makes lip service to supporting your own? Goddamn. You sound like the Bush Neocons, praising their saint Ronald Reagan. But nah, it doesn't matter if she is unqualified for the job, and incompetent, because she said she supports liberal principles, right?

I could take you a little seriously, maybe, if you admitted she is a demon, but she is still the better prospect for president because she will be surrounded with people better equipped to reign her in than the people around Trump. But no, who swallow everything politicians put in front of you. Read the Prince. You'll see through all this rhetorical horseshit you are falling for.

@hillelslovak: Im not saying theyre the same. Im saying the fact we have such backward people in a modern ideology, helps me understand those in far, far worst ideologies. Im full aware their extreme conservative people still stone people to death without a due process.

Then why defend this vile despotism, and people like Hilary who support it?

@hillelslovak: Because she holds views closer to what i like. Im all for progress no matter how small. And i fully believe that with Hillary we can achieve. I disagree with Bernie on WAY too many things. I am willing to compromise with Hillary and her policies. I like her determination, speaking ability, and how she gets stuff done.

If i had a magic way to change certain countries or people i would in a heartbeat, but i cant. But i fully agree with continuing to push and work with countries in anyway we can.

There's a lot more than those scandals. Those are just the latest. Her entire career has been scandalous. It's been one thing after another after another for 30 years. She is easily the most corrupt person to ever run for the presidency. And nobody likes crony capitalism, pay to play, special interests ... right? All of that will be put on nitrous and steroids if she is president. She is the very embodiment of those things.

Are you able to read sentences? Have I not articulated the fact that I despise Trump, that i despise the Republicans, and that I am neither a Republican nor a conservative?

If it is about ideology, why support Clinton? She changes her opinions based upon what is politically popular at the moment. She is a betrayer of ideology and principle. Most politicians are. But to pretend she is an ideologue, when her positions change with the wind, is laughable.

Hilary Clinton, along with most of our politicians, will never change the Middle East in a meaningful way. They wont even go so far as to admit the obvious, which is that Islam poses the greatest threat to our species than any other belief system.

Determination? I call bluff. Every time any sort of hurdle has come up, she bitches and moans, plays the woe is me card, and then plays the woman card. Her sycophantic supporters envision her as some sort of Iron Lady. Please.

Speaking ability? How many supremely avoidable gaffes has she committed in this election cycle, or the one in 2008? Just last week, she showed an inability to learn from the mistakes of others, going the Mitt Romney route, calling Trump supporters deplorables, and giving him, an idiot clown, the perfect chance to riposte, and play the indignation card and earn sympathy, claiming she was insulting the majority of Americans.

What has she gotten done, exactly, that had any sort of lasting impact? I always hear about her healthcare plan (did not pass), her educational plans (which obviously did nothing), and her foreign policy experience (like the Israel Hamas ceasefire which accomplished nothing). I have yet to hear any credible thing she has actually done......

Ah, the name calling. Good job showing that your argument cannot be defended.

That's a fair response. I don't contest that the initiative to attack Libya was a French one.

You provided a few studies that did not prove effectiveness of policy, merely the implementation of such. You provided rhetoric and childish insults. You even go so far as to still think I am some sort of right winger. Once again, you might want to read the Prince, and realize exactly how she is able to play you.

You speak in cult manner. You seem to think you know who others are more than they do. I manufactured no scandal, Hilary, and the politicians like her, do it for themselves. You probably think that she will clean up wall street, after getting paid millions of dollars to speak in front of them. I saw through people who think like you defending the Bush Administration 10 years ago, and I see through you now......

Everyone can read you bringing one study showing Hilary helped implement a healthcare plan that achieved nothing. They can also read your lack of understanding on what other people are writing, as well as grossly misrepresenting the contents of the other's argument. I take it you wont address her blatant hypocrisy on the financial sector in regards to her claims of tightly regulating them, despite taking millions from them? But what do I know, before you came in this argument, I thought trump was a clown, but that neither were worthy of a single vote. But here I am now, apparently a neo con Trump supporter......

That's the problem with this country. Is people think if you dislike one candidate, you support the other. Hillary is terrible, Trump is even worse. However, just because Trump is awful, doesnt mean I will stay my criticism of an extremely flawed and unethical character. Some democrats and republicans like to think their shit doesnt stink. They are blind to any transgression by their own party and would vote the devil itself it it ran under dem or republican colors. idiots.

Yet we just saw how American politics helped change Saudi Arabia? Determination, 40+ years she has been shatted on by doubters and conspiracist, yet she keeps her head up and keeps on going. She is still an amazing speaker and debater. All through out her career she has done well.

She did state deplorables, but did you hear what she said afterwards? No you didnt. Hillary cant speak the truth, but its ok for Trump to speak the truth. This is what she said after the bout half Trump supporters are a basket of deplorables,

"But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.”

Funny no one is reporting that part. But ok, Hillary shouldnt insult others, its not nice. Thank you for apologizing Hillary.

What has Hillary done? She has done many things. Here are a few,

1. After law school, Hillary could have gone to work for a prestigious law firm, but took a job at the Children’s Defense Fund. She worked with teenagers incarcerated in adult prisons in South Carolina and families with disabled children in Massachusetts. It sparked a lifelong passion for helping children live up to their potential.
2. As first lady of the United States, Hillary fought to help pass health care reform. When that effort failed, she didn’t give up: Hillary worked with Republicans and Democrats to help create the Children’s Health Insurance Program. CHIP cut the uninsured rate of American children by half, and today it provides health care to more than 8 million kids.
3. When terrorists attacked just months after Hillary became U.S. senator from New York, she worked to make sure the 9/11 first responders who suffered lasting health effects from their time at Ground Zero got the care they needed.
4. Standing in front of a U.N. conference and declaring that “women’s rights are human rights” was more controversial than it sounds today. Many within the U.S. government didn’t want Hillary to go to Beijing. Others wanted her to pick a less polarizing topic (you say polarizing, we say half the population). But Hillary was determined to speak out about human rights abuses, and her message became a rallying cry for a generation.
5. As secretary of state, Hillary made LGBT rights a focus of U.S. foreign policy. She lobbied for the first-ever U.N. Human Rights Council resolution on human rights and declared that “gay rights are human rights.” And here at home, she made the State Department a better, fairer place for LGBT employees to work.
6. Hillary worked across the aisle to expand health care access for members of the National Guard and reservists—making sure those who served and their families had access to health care when they returned home. And she worked to expand the Family Medical Leave Act, allowing families of those wounded in service to their country to take leave in order to care for their loved ones.
7. As our nation’s chief diplomat, Hillary didn’t back down when the stakes were high. As Hamas rockets rained down on Israel, Hillary went to the region immediately. Twenty-four hours after she landed, a ceasefire went into effect—and that year became Israel’s quietest in a decade.

I dont care about what she said after her comments. She showed a lack of speaking skill by saying the deplorables comment. She should know, being in politics for so long, that the media cycle will eat her up, and cut the latter part of that comment.

Another instance, the Nancy Reagan funeral. Now, they asked Hilary about what she thought of Nancy reagan. All she had to do was say "We did not agree on policy, but I respect her determination, etc etc etc." She could not even do that. She rambled on about how Nancy Reagan started the national conversation on AIDS, and urged congress to act. It is easy to see past the absurdity of this claim. She is that inept.

You listed a bunch of bullet points from an obviously pro Hilary site or article. It is not convincing, and any of those claims can be researched and seen to be tenuous at best. That bullet point list stinks off the page as being from an apologist.

I'm not going to act like she is a basement demon, scheming to tear down America, but I'm not going to jerk her off and pretend that because she is against Trump, she deserves respect for the achievements she does not have.

@hillelslovak: She cant help speaking the truth sometimes. It worked for Trump, she was hoping it might work for her. But women arent allowed to speak like that, only people like Trump.

Nancy Reagan was horrible, shes lucky Hillary said all those nice things about her. You asked me to list things she did. I listed them, now you ignore them like your ignore our other debates. You are blind to the facts mate.

You have no concrete points to dislike Hillary, but please do go on, ill squash them all.

What you listed were not facts. Politics, and the passing of bills, takes support and work by many, many people, and those bullet points give her credit for all of it.

Here's a reason, which I am sure you'll be able to rationalize. She rails against the banks in her public speeches, saying she will reign them in, and kill the abuses. In private speeches to financial institutions, she gets paid millions of dollars. When confronted on this hypocrisy, she says she has nothing to hide, that she will reign in the banks, and will not even release the speech transcripts. She then gets indignant, on air, when people propose that she kept getting invited back to speak in front of those banking and wall street institutions, it was because she was telling them what they wanted to hear.

Another. She continues to claim she has been a champion for LGBTs for decades despite on air, saying they cannot have equal rights under the law, like marriage. She refused to change her stance, speech after speech, despite getting the piss booed out of her by crowds. She said nothing until 2013, when the political climate had shifted towards gay rights, saying she had always supported them.

Please, explain away those two examples.

@hillelslovak: Easy, Obama received the biggest donations from Wall Street in the history of government, yet he still sued the shat out of banks for record numbers. Just cause Hillary accepts money from banks, etc, doesnt mean she wont hold them accountable and penalize them when needed. She supports Elizabeth Warren and others in the party at continuing going after the banks.

She was against gay marriage, it was something she couldnt do at the time. But now she is for gay marriage. She admits she should have done it sooner. Here, enjoy this, its a gift,

And next?

Obama did this for political points, and it is about as plain as you can see. Suing the shit out of the banks loses quite its steam when you look at the pitiful fines they paid. They cause trillions of dollars worth of damage, he ran a pr campaign, then made it seem like they would be feeling the pain. They committed massive amounts of fraud and illegality, and how many did he send to prison? None.

It's ok to admit you were wrong. But you cannot go around saying you have always been there for the gay and lesbian community. They have been asking for equal marriage rights for decades, and any thinking person would support their need for equal protections. She refused.

@hillelslovak: Obama cant just round up American citizens and throw them in prison. They have to find out whos accountable and give them due process. The democratic party has been trying to do so for years. We so far havnt had success in arresting them. But we are still trying. Vote Hillary to continue the fight and progress of fairness. Something is better then nothing, we had to compromise.

Hillary has supported the LGBT community for ever, just not gay marriage. She wasnt able to compromise until she was able or changed her mind. People do change you know. But her being against gay marriage doesnt mean she was against the LGBT community, thats false, Hillary has always been pro LGBT.

And next?

@InEMplease: Why do you consider her unfit?

Because she's awful. Not as wful as Trump. but she's still really fucking bad. People ho are voting for Trump just because she's not Hillary arre morons, but she's still really bad.

@turtlethetaffer: Why is she awful?

@InEMplease: She has keep plenty of worst secrets. Shell be fine.

Were the hundreds of bankers responsible, held accountable, and given due process? Nope. They skirted aside from it. Lots of closed door meetings, and they got off paying fines equivalent to a day's profit. Same with the abuses of the Bush administration. How many of them went to jail? Next to none. Obama gave us the "Lets look forward, not backward." Speech. Learning from your past? Nah, screw that. And it is straight delusion to think The Democrats are pushing for those responsible to face the law they broke. Please.

If you do not support equal protection under the law for all citizens, you are not for them. It is that simple. She clearly did not view gay people as deserving her representation fully, so she did not give it to them.

This type of crap was the talking point of the GOP years ago. Leadership means sticking to your principles. She showed none. And you guys still defend her.