When it's all said and done, from burning alive to simply going in your sleep, you'll be dead. No trauma or memories, nothing to hold onto. It's over, done, mission accomplished. Yet people fear it so much. Why?
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I dont fear death if its in my sleep, i welcome it. Its just the whole afterlife thing, thats the only thing that stops me.
This is a great question. To me, fear of death isn't natural, it's something we've learned. We've learned to fear death. But why is death so terrifying? It's simply the next step in the biological process. Nothing terrifying about that.NicksonmanYou think so? Animals instinctively try to avoid things that cause death.
What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.
Pirate700
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)? Tough question. I dont think any survived very long.Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.
Engrish_Major
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.
Engrish_Major
Lemmings.
Thank goodness we invented liquid courage.Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.
Pirate700
When I first made this thread I figured most people would be fearful of the method of death. It looks like more are more concerned about the end result. Even from my religious perspective, when I try to attempt to imagine an eternity in heaven, the whole infinity problem sort of loops through my head and forces me to stop thinking about it. I don't understand how it works or what it will be like.
I figured for those without religion that they would assume it's like eternal, dreamless sleep. You're simply no longer existing, not conscious in any way.
What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]
Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.
Ilovegames1992
Lemmings.
Not true.[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?Nibroc420
Lemmings.
Not true.Was jokes innit.
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?None beyond us even know death exists to fear it.Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.
Engrish_Major
[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]This is a great question. To me, fear of death isn't natural, it's something we've learned. We've learned to fear death. But why is death so terrifying? It's simply the next step in the biological process. Nothing terrifying about that.Engrish_MajorYou think so? Animals instinctively try to avoid things that cause death. They don't fear death like we do though, they don't know how. Animals are all about the will to survive. Humans are too, except we take it one step further by thinking of death in terms of things like the unknown, the end, being 6 foot under, funerals, disconnecting with loved ones, decomposing body, plus more. Humans have attached so many negative connotations to death that it's hard to not be terrified when we think of it.
[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]This is a great question. To me, fear of death isn't natural, it's something we've learned. We've learned to fear death. But why is death so terrifying? It's simply the next step in the biological process. Nothing terrifying about that.Engrish_MajorYou think so? Animals instinctively try to avoid things that cause death.They instinctively try to survive at a subconscious level. They don't actually fear death.
[QUOTE="Nicksonman"] They don't fear death like we do though, they don't know how. Animals are all about the will to survive. Humans are too, except we take it one step further by thinking of death in terms of things like the unknown, the end, being 6 foot under, funerals, disconnecting with loved ones, decomposing body, plus more. Humans have attached so many negative connotations to death that it's hard to not be terrified when we think of it. What's the difference between fearing the things that cause death, and fearing death?None beyond us even know death exists to fear it.
Pirate700
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]None beyond us even know death exists to fear it.
Engrish_Major
They don't fear death like we do though, they don't know how. Animals are all about the will to survive. Humans are too, except we take it one step further by thinking of death in terms of things like the unknown, the end, being 6 foot under, funerals, disconnecting with loved ones, decomposing body, plus more. Humans have attached so many negative connotations to death that it's hard to not be terrified when we think of it. NicksonmanWhat's the difference between fearing the things that cause death, and fearing death?They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.
If an animal thinks it is in imminent danger of falling, it is definitely going to be scared. Same with an animal that is hiding from a predator. Of course they fear things that cause death.They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.
Pirate700
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]If an animal thinks it is in imminent danger of falling, it is definitely going to be scared. Same with an animal that is hiding from a predator. Of course they fear things that cause death. Cancer causes death. Do you live your life in constant fear of developing cancer?They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.
Engrish_Major
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]If an animal thinks it is in imminent danger of falling, it is definitely going to be scared. Same with an animal that is hiding from a predator. Of course they fear things that cause death.Fine but they don't do it because of fear of death itself. They do it to keep living. Animals, at least to our understanding, don't know death exists. They just know to try and stay alive.They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.
Engrish_Major
Fair enough. It's kind of a fuzzy distinction though.Fine but they don't do it because of fear of death itself. They do it to keep living. Animals, at least to our understanding, don't know death exists. They just know to try and stay alive.
Pirate700
There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.NicksonmanIt doesn't seem like that clear of a distinction to me.
There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.NicksonmanCorrect. Animals have a natural survival instinct that is completely subconscious. It's not a fear of death or dying.
[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Engrish_MajorIt doesn't seem like that clear of a distinction to me. It's hard to explain. Put it this way, an animal doesn't sit there thinking "Holy crap, I'm gonna die someday!" and then wonders what it's going to be like. But people do it all the time.
Correct. Animals have a natural survival instinct that is completely subconscious. It's not a fear of death or dying. How do you know?[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Pirate700
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Correct. Animals have a natural survival instinct that is completely subconscious. It's not a fear of death or dying. How do you know?It's common knowledge? At least it is to as far as anyone can fully know.[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Engrish_Major
Common knowledge =/= truth. How do we really know that animals are unaware of death?It's common knowledge? At least it is to as far as anyone can fully know.
Pirate700
If an animal thinks it is in imminent danger of falling, it is definitely going to be scared. Same with an animal that is hiding from a predator. Of course they fear things that cause death.Fine but they don't do it because of fear of death itself. They do it to keep living. Animals, at least to our understanding, don't know death exists. They just know to try and stay alive.[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]
They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.
Pirate700
Elephants undergo death rituals. You can't really infer what animals think as there is no real way to test any of it. They do realize, though, when another animal dies, so it does seem they at least recognize the natural process of death, just not death as a concept.
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Oh, So you fear death, but not the things that cause death. Heck, water can cause death, you can drown on the smallest amount of water.Engrish_MajorI don't see how you drew the above conclusion. I just stated that I feared the things that cause death. If I were in imminent danger of drowning, you bet I would be scared.Right. As humans, we have the survival instinct AND a fear of death. If you were about to drown, you'd be fearing death and not just no longer living. An animal in danger only knows staying alive not what the result is if it doesn't.
Life is all that we have. Once it ends, we lose everything. Considering that I'm a fan of life's numerous offerings and merely being conscious, I would really hate for it to go away.
To the last sentence, how do we truly know? It is all assumptions, correct?Right. As humans, we have the survival instinct AND a fear of death. If you were about to drown, you'd be fearing death and not just no longer living. An animal in danger only knows staying alive not what the result is if it doesn't.
Pirate700
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Correct. Animals have a natural survival instinct that is completely subconscious. It's not a fear of death or dying. How do you know? How do you know that they do fear it? We're not entirely sure how animals think, we can just draw conclusions based on what we see. And so far, they have only exhibited behaviours that indicate a will to survive, not a fear of death. Yeah, we could be wrong.[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Engrish_Major
What is this? Can you provide proof to these ridiculous statements?Life is all that we have.Once it ends, we lose everything . Considering that I'm a fan of life's numerous offerings and merely being conscious, I would really hate for it to go away.
coolbeans90
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]To the last sentence, how do we truly know? It is all assumptions, correct?It's an assumption based on whatever zoologists and scientists, etc. have found.Right. As humans, we have the survival instinct AND a fear of death. If you were about to drown, you'd be fearing death and not just no longer living. An animal in danger only knows staying alive not what the result is if it doesn't.
Engrish_Major
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