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#1 PS2_ROCKS
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When it's all said and done, from burning alive to simply going in your sleep, you'll be dead. No trauma or memories, nothing to hold onto. It's over, done, mission accomplished. Yet people fear it so much. Why?

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#2 Ilovegames1992
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I dont fear death if its in my sleep, i welcome it. Its just the whole afterlife thing, thats the only thing that stops me.

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Because the thought of eternal nothingness is scary.

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#4 NiKva
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Because it kills you!
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#5 nicksonman
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This is a great question. To me, fear of death isn't natural, it's something we've learned. We've learned to fear death. But why is death so terrifying? It's simply the next step in the biological process. Nothing terrifying about that.
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#6 theone86
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Because it's impossible to conceive of. The nature of consciousness is cognition, and when you try to conceive of a lack of cognition it just becomes frustrating. It's completely unkown and unknowable, and that frustrates the conscious mind.

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This is a great question. To me, fear of death isn't natural, it's something we've learned. We've learned to fear death. But why is death so terrifying? It's simply the next step in the biological process. Nothing terrifying about that.Nicksonman
You think so? Animals instinctively try to avoid things that cause death.
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#8 cd_rom
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Humans didn't survive by not fearing death.
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Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.

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#10 Engrish_Major
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Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.

Pirate700
What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?
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#11 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.

Engrish_Major
What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?

Tough question. I dont think any survived very long.
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#12 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.

Engrish_Major

What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?

Lemmings.

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Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.

Pirate700

Thank goodness we invented liquid courage.

When I first made this thread I figured most people would be fearful of the method of death. It looks like more are more concerned about the end result. Even from my religious perspective, when I try to attempt to imagine an eternity in heaven, the whole infinity problem sort of loops through my head and forces me to stop thinking about it. I don't understand how it works or what it will be like.

I figured for those without religion that they would assume it's like eternal, dreamless sleep. You're simply no longer existing, not conscious in any way.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.

Ilovegames1992

What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?

Lemmings.

Not true.
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#15 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?Nibroc420

Lemmings.

Not true.

Was jokes innit.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Fearing death is part of what seperates us from the animals (or lesser ones). It's what keeps most of us from doing really stupid, life threatening things.

Engrish_Major

What animals don't fear death (or at least the things that cause death)?

None beyond us even know death exists to fear it.

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[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]This is a great question. To me, fear of death isn't natural, it's something we've learned. We've learned to fear death. But why is death so terrifying? It's simply the next step in the biological process. Nothing terrifying about that.Engrish_Major
You think so? Animals instinctively try to avoid things that cause death.

They don't fear death like we do though, they don't know how. Animals are all about the will to survive. Humans are too, except we take it one step further by thinking of death in terms of things like the unknown, the end, being 6 foot under, funerals, disconnecting with loved ones, decomposing body, plus more. Humans have attached so many negative connotations to death that it's hard to not be terrified when we think of it.
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I think fear of the unknown plays a major role in this, absolutely no one truly knows what comes after death (or when it comes knocking on your doorstep) and just the thought of that can be quite unsettling for most. There are also other factors of course, like the fear of a painful death and such.
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#19 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]This is a great question. To me, fear of death isn't natural, it's something we've learned. We've learned to fear death. But why is death so terrifying? It's simply the next step in the biological process. Nothing terrifying about that.Engrish_Major
You think so? Animals instinctively try to avoid things that cause death.

They instinctively try to survive at a subconscious level. They don't actually fear death.

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#20 Engrish_Major
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None beyond us even know death exists to fear it.

Pirate700
[QUOTE="Nicksonman"] They don't fear death like we do though, they don't know how. Animals are all about the will to survive. Humans are too, except we take it one step further by thinking of death in terms of things like the unknown, the end, being 6 foot under, funerals, disconnecting with loved ones, decomposing body, plus more. Humans have attached so many negative connotations to death that it's hard to not be terrified when we think of it.

What's the difference between fearing the things that cause death, and fearing death?
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#21 Ilovegames1992
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Maybe animals do experience fear, cant say for definite if they do or not.

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#22 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

None beyond us even know death exists to fear it.

Engrish_Major

They don't fear death like we do though, they don't know how. Animals are all about the will to survive. Humans are too, except we take it one step further by thinking of death in terms of things like the unknown, the end, being 6 foot under, funerals, disconnecting with loved ones, decomposing body, plus more. Humans have attached so many negative connotations to death that it's hard to not be terrified when we think of it. Nicksonman
What's the difference between fearing the things that cause death, and fearing death?

They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.

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I don't care if I live or die to be honest with you.
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They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.

Pirate700
If an animal thinks it is in imminent danger of falling, it is definitely going to be scared. Same with an animal that is hiding from a predator. Of course they fear things that cause death.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.

Engrish_Major
If an animal thinks it is in imminent danger of falling, it is definitely going to be scared. Same with an animal that is hiding from a predator. Of course they fear things that cause death.

Cancer causes death. Do you live your life in constant fear of developing cancer?
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.

Engrish_Major

If an animal thinks it is in imminent danger of falling, it is definitely going to be scared. Same with an animal that is hiding from a predator. Of course they fear things that cause death.

Fine but they don't do it because of fear of death itself. They do it to keep living. Animals, at least to our understanding, don't know death exists. They just know to try and stay alive.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Cancer causes death. Do you live your life in constant fear of developing cancer?

You could say that, as I try to avoid things that cause it.
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#28 Engrish_Major
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Fine but they don't do it because of fear of death itself. They do it to keep living. Animals, at least to our understanding, don't know death exists. They just know to try and stay alive.

Pirate700
Fair enough. It's kind of a fuzzy distinction though.
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There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Cancer causes death. Do you live your life in constant fear of developing cancer?

You could say that, as I try to avoid things that cause it.

Avoiding it isn't the same as being fearful of it. At any moment toxins in the air, your food, and possibly your water could increase your chance to develop cancer. Are you scared of everything that increases your chance of death? or just death?
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#31 Engrish_Major
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There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Nicksonman
It doesn't seem like that clear of a distinction to me.
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There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Nicksonman
Correct. Animals have a natural survival instinct that is completely subconscious. It's not a fear of death or dying.

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[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Engrish_Major
It doesn't seem like that clear of a distinction to me.

It's hard to explain. Put it this way, an animal doesn't sit there thinking "Holy crap, I'm gonna die someday!" and then wonders what it's going to be like. But people do it all the time.
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Avoiding it isn't the same as being fearful of it. At any moment toxins in the air, your food, and possibly your water could increase your chance to develop cancer. Are you scared of everything that increases your chance of death? or just death?

There is very little chance of any toxins in my food or water causing cancer in the short term. Conversely, if I knew that there was a highly radioactive element in a room near me that would cause cancer during a short exposure, then I would fear that room.
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I fear death because humanities only spawn point is located within women's wombs. Come on you noobs, capture some damn flags!

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#36 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Pirate700

Correct. Animals have a natural survival instinct that is completely subconscious. It's not a fear of death or dying.

How do you know?
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#37 commonfate
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While I won't say I welcome death, I'm a bit more concerned with the dying part.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Avoiding it isn't the same as being fearful of it. At any moment toxins in the air, your food, and possibly your water could increase your chance to develop cancer. Are you scared of everything that increases your chance of death? or just death?

There is very little chance of any toxins in my food or water causing cancer in the short term. Conversely, if I knew that there was a highly radioactive element in a room near me that would cause cancer during a short exposure, then I would fear that room.

Oh, So you fear death, but not the things that cause death. Heck, water can cause death, you can drown on the smallest amount of water.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Engrish_Major

Correct. Animals have a natural survival instinct that is completely subconscious. It's not a fear of death or dying.

How do you know?

It's common knowledge? At least it is to as far as anyone can fully know.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Oh, So you fear death, but not the things that cause death. Heck, water can cause death, you can drown on the smallest amount of water.

I don't see how you drew the above conclusion. I just stated that I feared the things that cause death. If I were in imminent danger of drowning, you bet I would be scared.
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#41 Engrish_Major
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It's common knowledge? At least it is to as far as anyone can fully know.

Pirate700
Common knowledge =/= truth. How do we really know that animals are unaware of death?
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Because they don't want to die. That simple. Or they may not be ready to die.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

They don't fear things that cause death. Animals have a survival instinct. Not a fear of death. If a raccoon is walking along the side of a cliff, it's not going to move away from the edge because it thinks it could fall to its death.

Pirate700

If an animal thinks it is in imminent danger of falling, it is definitely going to be scared. Same with an animal that is hiding from a predator. Of course they fear things that cause death.

Fine but they don't do it because of fear of death itself. They do it to keep living. Animals, at least to our understanding, don't know death exists. They just know to try and stay alive.

Elephants undergo death rituals. You can't really infer what animals think as there is no real way to test any of it. They do realize, though, when another animal dies, so it does seem they at least recognize the natural process of death, just not death as a concept.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Oh, So you fear death, but not the things that cause death. Heck, water can cause death, you can drown on the smallest amount of water.Engrish_Major
I don't see how you drew the above conclusion. I just stated that I feared the things that cause death. If I were in imminent danger of drowning, you bet I would be scared.

Right. As humans, we have the survival instinct AND a fear of death. If you were about to drown, you'd be fearing death and not just no longer living. An animal in danger only knows staying alive not what the result is if it doesn't.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Oh, So you fear death, but not the things that cause death. Heck, water can cause death, you can drown on the smallest amount of water.

I don't see how you drew the above conclusion. I just stated that I feared the things that cause death. If I were in imminent danger of drowning, you bet I would be scared.

Water causes over 3,000 accidental deaths a year (drowning) When you shower, do you cringe and hide from the water? If so, you're scared of things that cause death (water in this case) If not, you're probably just scared of death itself.
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Life is all that we have. Once it ends, we lose everything. Considering that I'm a fan of life's numerous offerings and merely being conscious, I would really hate for it to go away.

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Right. As humans, we have the survival instinct AND a fear of death. If you were about to drown, you'd be fearing death and not just no longer living. An animal in danger only knows staying alive not what the result is if it doesn't.

Pirate700
To the last sentence, how do we truly know? It is all assumptions, correct?
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]There's a clear difference between the will to survive and fearing death. Animals aren't aware of their own mortality. They just have a will to survive. I think Pirate700 is the only one here who understands it the way I do.Engrish_Major

Correct. Animals have a natural survival instinct that is completely subconscious. It's not a fear of death or dying.

How do you know?

How do you know that they do fear it? We're not entirely sure how animals think, we can just draw conclusions based on what we see. And so far, they have only exhibited behaviours that indicate a will to survive, not a fear of death. Yeah, we could be wrong.
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#49 Nibroc420
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Life is all that we have.Once it ends, we lose everything . Considering that I'm a fan of life's numerous offerings and merely being conscious, I would really hate for it to go away.

coolbeans90

What is this? Can you provide proof to these ridiculous statements?

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Right. As humans, we have the survival instinct AND a fear of death. If you were about to drown, you'd be fearing death and not just no longer living. An animal in danger only knows staying alive not what the result is if it doesn't.

Engrish_Major

To the last sentence, how do we truly know? It is all assumptions, correct?

It's an assumption based on whatever zoologists and scientists, etc. have found.