Why do people get their kids circumcised if not for religious reasons?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

ITT: An abhorrent disregard for quantitative reasoning and an apparent lack of the capacity to separate biases whilst objectively analyzing the issues.

Except Frame_Dragger.

Teenaged

Same thing hoolahoopman did.

Though his arguments certainly aren't a perfectly sound case for circumcision in a first world country beyond the shadow of a doubt, he brought forward fairly pertinent information to the discussion.

Some nonsense about health. If you have good hygiene like you should, then your dick will be clean regardless.

Artekus

Some nonsense about health. If you have good hygiene like you should, then your dick will be clean regardless.

Artekus

Some nonsense about health. If you have good hygiene like you should, then your dick will be clean regardless.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

ITT: An abhorrent disregard for quantitative reasoning and an apparent lack of the capacity to separate biases whilst objectively analyzing the issues.

Except Frame_Dragger.

coolbeans90

Same thing hoolahoopman did.

Though his arguments certainly aren't a perfectly sound case for circumcision in a first world country beyond the shadow of a doubt, he brought forward fairly pertinent information to the discussion.

If the thread naturally involved in a general discussion about circumcision, with no specific focus then his contributions would be very welcome.

Simply having a study at the ready doesnt make you a good contributor in the discussion. First someone has to realise what exactly is being discussed and how (if) their data fits in said discussion.

for all you guys who are saying PEOPLE DON'T GET CIRCUMCISED FOR HEALTH REASONS, go look up smegma, that **** is gross

That's why I mentioned the context of the discussion.

If the thread naturally involved in a general discussion about circumcision, with no specific focus then his contributions would be very welcome.

Simply having a study at the ready doesnt make you a good contributor in the discussion. First someone has to realise what exactly is being discussed and how (if) their data fits in said discussion.

Teenaged

The discussion was, IIRC, is: "Why do people get their kids circumcised if not for religious reasons?".

Some have questioned or even altogether denied the potential health benefits of circumcision. The studies he posted casts doubts on those assertions.

Is there something I am missing?

for all you guys who are saying PEOPLE DON'T GET CIRCUMCISED FOR HEALTH REASONS, go look up smegma, that **** is gross

Chris_Williams

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

That's why I mentioned the context of the discussion.

If the thread naturally involved in a general discussion about circumcision, with no specific focus then his contributions would be very welcome.

Simply having a study at the ready doesnt make you a good contributor in the discussion. First someone has to realise what exactly is being discussed and how (if) their data fits in said discussion.

coolbeans90

The discussion was, IIRC, is: "Why do people get their kids circumcised if not for religious reasons?".

Some have questioned or even altogether denied the potential health benefits of circumcision. The studies he posted casts doubts on those assertions.

Is there something I am missing?

Within the thread though other more focused discussions can take place. Hoolahoopman didnt just post the study without quoting anyone.

He specifically quoted a post of mine where I specifically mentioned first world countries.

Uncut penises look better. I have no idea why anyone would want to cut part of their penis off

Uncut penises look better. I have no idea why anyone would want to cut part of their penis off

toast_burner

You see this... *waves hands at entire thread*... is why I don't bother being serious or sincere on OT... :roll:

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Uncircumcised penises looks gross.Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"] They look the same when erect.GreenPatchSky

You see this... *waves hands at entire thread*... is why I don't bother being serious or sincere on OT... :roll:

Frame_Dragger

You see this... *waves hands at entire thread*... is why I don't bother being serious or sincere on OT... :roll:

Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

You see this... *waves hands at entire thread*... is why I don't bother being serious or sincere on OT... :roll:

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

That's why I mentioned the context of the discussion.

If the thread naturally involved in a general discussion about circumcision, with no specific focus then his contributions would be very welcome.

Simply having a study at the ready doesnt make you a good contributor in the discussion. First someone has to realise what exactly is being discussed and how (if) their data fits in said discussion.

Teenaged

The discussion was, IIRC, is: "Why do people get their kids circumcised if not for religious reasons?".

Some have questioned or even altogether denied the potential health benefits of circumcision. The studies he posted casts doubts on those assertions.

Is there something I am missing?

Within the thread though other more focused discussions can take place. Hoolahoopman didnt just post the study without quoting anyone.

He specifically quoted a post of mine where I specifically mentioned first world countries.

Unless I am gravely mistaken, STDs exist in first world nations which use soap and condoms (both of which are not perfect). Likewise, if the studies are valid, one could quite reasonably argue this results in a lower the risk of a person being infected in a first world country as variables in question could plausibly be controlled for. Whether or not the risk reduction is worth the cost is another question.

[QUOTE="GreenPatchSky"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Never seen one besides an infants.Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

You see this... *waves hands at entire thread*... is why I don't bother being serious or sincere on OT... :roll:

Frame_Dragger

I felt the need to somehow aknowledge your post but didnt and then I felt kinda bad since you actually provided relevant info.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I did read your post about the specifics of the risk of HIV infection.

I felt the need to somehow aknowledge your post but didnt and then I felt kinda bad since you actually provided relevant info.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

The discussion was, IIRC, is: "Why do people get their kids circumcised if not for religious reasons?".

Some have questioned or even altogether denied the potential health benefits of circumcision. The studies he posted casts doubts on those assertions.

Is there something I am missing?

coolbeans90

Within the thread though other more focused discussions can take place. Hoolahoopman didnt just post the study without quoting anyone.

He specifically quoted a post of mine where I specifically mentioned first world countries.

Unless I am gravely mistaken, STDs exist in first world nations which use soap and condoms (both of which are not perfect). Likewise, if the studies are valid, one could quite reasonably argue this results in a lower the risk of a person being infected in a first world country as variables in question could plausibly be controlled for. Whether or not the risk reduction is worth the cost is another question.

I dont understand what you're saying here.

Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.MgamerBD

And if you can last longe rthen obviously it's because it's less pleasurable.

Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.MgamerBD

I never said STDs dont exist in first world countries.

I dont understand what you're saying here.

Teenaged

I didn't claim you didn't say that STDs don't exist in first world countries.

The point of my post is that one could extrapolate effects on third world nations to first world nations after taking into account other risk factors associated STD transmission.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.toast_burner

And if you can last longe rthen obviously it's because it's less pleasurable.

Also in the world of sex Lasting longer= better performance/greater partner. Especially if you are the top in the relationship. But you might be a bottom so I don't know...

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I never said STDs dont exist in first world countries.

I dont understand what you're saying here.

coolbeans90

I didn't claim you didn't say that STDs don't exist in first world countries.

The point of my post is that one could extrapolate effects on third world nations to first world nations after taking into account other risk factors associated STD transmission.

You mean that just like in third world countries, in first world countries there are other factors that increase the risk for uncircumcised men?

That it somehow balances out and that renders the special condition in third world countries not so special and irrelevant?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.MgamerBD

And if you can last longe rthen obviously it's because it's less pleasurable.

Also in the world of sex Lasting longer= better performance/greater partner. Especially if you are the top in the relationship. But you might be a bottom so I don't know...

FACT: Uncut > Cut.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.MgamerBD

And if you can last longe rthen obviously it's because it's less pleasurable.

Also in the world of sex Lasting longer= better performance/greater partner. Especially if you are the top in the relationship. But you might be a bottom so I don't know...

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No Uncut look better, plus the foreskin is fun to play with your tongue (TMI?)

And if you can last longe rthen obviously it's because it's less pleasurable.

PernicioEnigma

Also in the world of sex Lasting longer= better performance/greater partner. Especially if you are the top in the relationship. But you might be a bottom so I don't know...

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.MgamerBD

And if you can last longe rthen obviously it's because it's less pleasurable.

Also in the world of sex Lasting longer= better performance/greater partner. Especially if you are the top in the relationship. But you might be a bottom so I don't know...

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No Uncut look better, plus the foreskin is fun to play with your tongue (TMI?)

And if you can last longe rthen obviously it's because it's less pleasurable.

Fightingfan

Also in the world of sex Lasting longer= better performance/greater partner. Especially if you are the top in the relationship. But you might be a bottom so I don't know...

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Wow dude... But anyway I'm sure if I could post pics(which I wish I could) I'm sure circumcised would look better. Just the thought of playing with the foreskin sounds nasty to me

Also in the world of sex Lasting longer= better performance/greater partner. Especially if you are the top in the relationship. But you might be a bottom so I don't know...

MgamerBD

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No Uncut look better, plus the foreskin is fun to play with your tongue (TMI?)

And if you can last longe rthen obviously it's because it's less pleasurable.

PernicioEnigma

Also in the world of sex Lasting longer= better performance/greater partner. Especially if you are the top in the relationship. But you might be a bottom so I don't know...

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Girls on top is bad?xaos

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Uncircumcised is jealous. I can last longer then you in bed. I am 100% proud circumcised. At least our penis look presentable.Lonelynight

OkI'm still not entirely sure what you mean.

You mean that just like in third world countries, in first world countries there are other factors that increase the risk for uncircumcised men?

That it somehow balances out and that renders the special condition in third world countries not so special and irrelevant?

Teenaged

Okay, apparently I am not clearly expressing myself.

I am not saying that there are risk factors that increase the risk in first world countries; I am saying that there are still risks that could possibly be further mitigated by circumcision. For instance, for a whole host of reasons, condoms are not always used in first world countries. Indiscretion despite education, rape, etc. Moreover, there is the possibility that they do not always perform the desired function. They can break and/or slip. Long story short: people in first world countries, even those who take standard precautions, are still at risk of contracting an STD - despite first world advantages. These are, medically speaking, the same types of risks by those inhabiting in third world nations which are reduced by circumcision. Circumcision may offer a reduction in risk complementing those already used. The risk reduction may or may not be worth circumcision.

There are medical reasons and things like that. But really is Circumcision really that awful. I'd like you to find a person who remembers being circumcised. I sure as heck don't. ferrari2001

Because they think abortion is wrong, but it's okay to chop your babies body parts off. :o

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]There are medical reasons and things like that. But really is Circumcision really that awful. I'd like you to find a person who remembers being circumcised. I sure as heck don't. Fightingfan

There are medical reasons and things like that. But really is Circumcision really that awful. I'd like you to find a person who remembers being circumcised. I sure as heck don't. ferrari2001