Why do people praise non-mainstream music here so much?

Unless you quit butchering my quotes which makes a mess of trying to respond...I'm not going to continue. I already explained pages ago what I mean when I say pop. Yes...Madonna is pop. There is a difference between songs having structure and following a pop formula. The Beatles had structure. Emotion is expected in music. It is a part of the discipline. When absent the music is sterile. See Yngwie for one not able to replicate emotion.

LJS9502_basic

I didn't break up your last post. There might have been some of my quotes in there, but it was an accident, I assure you.

And no, you never defined pops. Where did you do that?

Also, all songs that are not random noise have structure. But The Beatles did radically change the structure of their music.

Show me where it is written in stone that emotion is "expected" in music. And even if it is expected, expectation/=/objectivity.

Whether one can replicate emotion or not is subjective. What I find emotional, you may not and vice-versa.

Spite?:lol: I don't have any emotion in regard to you so no.

LJS9502_basic

It might not be spite. I only named that as a possibility since I'm just wondering why you felt the need to link a Madonna bash article.

It's fine that you disagree with me about her, but you're not going to get me to read articles that attack her, just as I would not expect you to read a Cure bash article.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Unless you quit butchering my quotes which makes a mess of trying to respond...I'm not going to continue. I already explained pages ago what I mean when I say pop. Yes...Madonna is pop. There is a difference between songs having structure and following a pop formula. The Beatles had structure. Emotion is expected in music. It is a part of the discipline. When absent the music is sterile. See Yngwie for one not able to replicate emotion.

Animatronic64

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Unless you quit butchering my quotes which makes a mess of trying to respond...I'm not going to continue. I already explained pages ago what I mean when I say pop. Yes...Madonna is pop. There is a difference between songs having structure and following a pop formula. The Beatles had structure. Emotion is expected in music. It is a part of the discipline. When absent the music is sterile. See Yngwie for one not able to replicate emotion.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Spite?:lol: I don't have any emotion in regard to you so no.

GreySeal9

It might not be spite. I only named that as a possibility since I'm just wondering why you felt the need to link a Madonna bash article.

It's fine that you disagree with me about her, but you're not going to get me to read articles that attack her, just as I would not expect you to read a Cure bash article.

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Unless you quit butchering my quotes which makes a mess of trying to respond...I'm not going to continue. I already explained pages ago what I mean when I say pop. Yes...Madonna is pop. There is a difference between songs having structure and following a pop formula. The Beatles had structure. Emotion is expected in music. It is a part of the discipline. When absent the music is sterile. See Yngwie for one not able to replicate emotion.

LJS9502_basic

That is your opinion.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Spite?:lol: I don't have any emotion in regard to you so no.

LJS9502_basic

It might not be spite. I only named that as a possibility since I'm just wondering why you felt the need to link a Madonna bash article.

It's fine that you disagree with me about her, but you're not going to get me to read articles that attack her, just as I would not expect you to read a Cure bash article.

If it's just the author's opinion, I'm not interested.

People have varying opinions on what got her popular.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"]Yngwie Malmsteen doesn't have emotion? lol that's hilarious. I think all music conveys some kind of emotion. If it's not to your liking, doesn't mean it's not there.

GreySeal9

That is your opinion.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

It might not be spite. I only named that as a possibility since I'm just wondering why you felt the need to link a Madonna bash article.

It's fine that you disagree with me about her, but you're not going to get me to read articles that attack her, just as I would not expect you to read a Cure bash article.

GreySeal9

If it's just the author's opinion, I'm not interested.

People have varying opinions on what got her popular.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I used to listen to Yngwie. He's very good technically....but no...his music has no emotion.LJS9502_basic

That is your opinion.

Even if other people share your opinion, it is still an opinion. Other people have the opposite opinion.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I linked it because it mentions what got her popular....her shock image. Ever time she became obsolete she did something to get back in the press. And it wasn't the music she used to do so.LJS9502_basic

If it's just the author's opinion, I'm not interested.

People have varying opinions on what got her popular.

Your opinion is noted, but I don't agree.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

That is your opinion.

GreySeal9

Even if other people share your opinion, it is still an opinion. Other people have the opposite opinion.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

If it's just the author's opinion, I'm not interested.

People have varying opinions on what got her popular.

GreySeal9

Your opinion is noted, but I don't agree.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Eh...her image was the most important aspect.LJS9502_basic

Your opinion is noted, but I don't agree.

Yes, she thought image was important, but I've never heard her express any opinion that it's more important than music.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Your opinion is noted, but I don't agree.

GreySeal9

Yes, she thought image was important, but I've never heard her express any opinion that it's more important than music.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think it was her opinion as well....that's why she spent so much time on it.;)LJS9502_basic

Yes, she thought image was important, but I've never heard her express any opinion that it's more important than music.

I don't agree with that assertion.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Funny because after I decided that for myself.....I read lots of other places as well. So I don't think it's just my opinion.;)LJS9502_basic

Even if other people share your opinion, it is still an opinion. Other people have the opposite opinion.

I think that his performance of "Blue" has emotion.

Care to prove me wrong without using your opinion?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yes, she thought image was important, but I've never heard her express any opinion that it's more important than music.

GreySeal9

I don't agree with that assertion.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Even if other people share your opinion, it is still an opinion. Other people have the opposite opinion.

GreySeal9

I think that his performance of "Blue" has emotion.

Care to prove me wrong without using your opinion?

You and your music threads, it feels like everyday you are trying to defend your music taste :|

Nickelback and Blue October are just bad, really bad. You'll one day understand ;)

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Show me the emotion then....LJS9502_basic

I think that his performance of "Blue" has emotion.

Care to prove me wrong without using your opinion?

Never said it was fact and I never would say it is fact because that does not make sense. Let's not play games.

I simply argued that your assertion his music has no emotion is just your opinion and that shows why "emotion" is subjective.

Do you agree that that is just your opinion?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Then explain why when she needed a jump start it was image she used and not music.LJS9502_basic

I don't agree with that assertion.

But what she valued as more important is merely speculation.

And whether she used "shock value" to jumpstart her career is just opinion. The events by themselves prove nothing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't agree with that assertion.

GreySeal9

But what she valued as more important is merely speculation.

And whether she used "shock value" to jumpstart her career is just opinion. The events by themselves prove nothing.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] She did what she did though....that is a truth. Whether you agree with it or not.LJS9502_basic

But what she valued as more important is merely speculation.

And whether she used "shock value" to jumpstart her career is just opinion. The events by themselves prove nothing.

And proof speaks louder than speculation.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

But what she valued as more important is merely speculation.

And whether she used "shock value" to jumpstart her career is just opinion. The events by themselves prove nothing.

GreySeal9

And proof speaks louder than speculation.

You and your music threads, it feels like everyday you are trying to defend your music taste :|

Nickelback and Blue October are just bad, really bad. You'll one day understand ;)

Meat_Wad_Fan

As for Blue October, I think they actually do have really good music...they just don't cater to a musically "elite" crowd, and actually have emotion in their songs...unlike many indie groups like AWOLNATION or Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeroes that people "rave" about.

You and your music threads, it feels like everyday you are trying to defend your music taste :|

Nickelback and Blue October are just bad, really bad. You'll one day understand ;)

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] :lol: Actions speak louder than words as they say....LJS9502_basic

And proof speaks louder than speculation.

Like I said, the events by themselves don't prove anything unless you have a strange definition of proof.

Believe me, I am completely familiar with her history. I have read tons of books about Madonna. The only artists I've read about more is The Beatles.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

And proof speaks louder than speculation.

GreySeal9

Like I said, the events by themselves don't prove anything unless you have a strange definition of proof.

Believe me, I am completely familiar with her history. I have read tons of books about Madonna. The only artists I've read about more is The Beatles.

You and your music threads, it feels like everyday you are trying to defend your music taste :|

Nickelback and Blue October are just bad, really bad. You'll one day understand ;)

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well if you want proof I guess you can read over her history...from kissing Britney to publishing her sex book.etc.LJS9502_basic

Like I said, the events by themselves don't prove anything unless you have a strange definition of proof.

Believe me, I am completely familiar with her history. I have read tons of books about Madonna. The only artists I've read about more is The Beatles.

Of course I know the timeline. Knowing the timeline doesn't mean I am somehow reqired to agree with your interpretation of it, unless you have some evidence other than the events themselves.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"] When did I ever say I liked Nickelback. :lol: I simply said in the Nickelback thread that they're not as bad as some bands people listen to on here, but by no means praised them. :lol:the_plan_man

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] He was talking about you when he said Nickelback and Blue October?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"] I like Blue October, but have no clue where the Nickelback thing came from.the_plan_man

They don't have an underground feel IMO, but I do fail to see how Nickelback and Blue October are similar.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Similar bands maybe?GreySeal9

They don't have an underground feel IMO, but I do fail to see how Nickelback and Blue October are similar.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="superfluidity"]

If it feels like work to find new music, you just don't care about/like music very much. That's fine, but please don't judge people who do.

Your opinion that non-mainstream music "most of the time" sounds like something mainstream is baffling. You're talking about millions of pieces of music that can come from places, cultures or styles completely alien to you. It sounds like you need to widen your horizons quite a bit, because you've barely scratched the surface of the residue covering what's out there.

RushKing

Underground artists generally have more freedom than mainstream ones, they can do pretty much anything with their music without an idiot telling them to write generic 4 cord acoustic love songs an order to appeal to more people. Nobody should get in the way of an artist's goals and visions. You obviously weren't listening to the right bands.

Also, I find many people anti-mainstream crowd to be really superficial when it comes to music. Many of them care about alot of superficial **** that has nothing to do with the way that the music sounds, but has more to do with carving out a little cultural niche.

I'm neither pro-mainstream or anti-mainstream. If the songwriting is good and if the actual songs sound good and resonate, then I like it regardless of any other factors like genre, popularity, authorship, etc.

GreySeal9

It sort of reminds me about this story I read. I can't stand people hating on legitimately great music just because a lot of other people like it.

Here's the story: http://notalwaysright.com/righteous-indie-nation/10596

I don't agree that blue october is similar to nickelback in any way. Nickelback writes catchy tunes to please a mainstream audience; but Blue october, at least, I believe, many will disagree, has more of an underground feel to them. They don't really have a 'mass' following, and don't just write their songs to please the tweeny-bopper audience that listens to them. "Hate me" is about the lead singer apologizing to his dead mom for all the bad things he's done to her; no Nickelback song has as much raw emotion as a song by them.the_plan_man

They don't have an underground feel IMO, but I do fail to see how Nickelback and Blue October are similar.

When people think mainstream, they automatically picture crappy artists such as Ke$ha or Justin Bieber. It's just a cycle in which I bet that 30 years later, people will worship Lady Gaga as they do with Led Zeppelin. Yes I said it, go flame me all you want, you know it's true.

leviathan91

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] I don't agree that blue october is similar to nickelback in any way. Nickelback writes catchy tunes to please a mainstream audience; but Blue october, at least, I believe, many will disagree, has more of an underground feel to them. They don't really have a 'mass' following, and don't just write their songs to please the tweeny-bopper audience that listens to them. "Hate me" is about the lead singer apologizing to his dead mom for all the bad things he's done to her; no Nickelback song has as much raw emotion as a song by them.LJS9502_basic

They don't have an underground feel IMO, but I do fail to see how Nickelback and Blue October are similar.

They don't sound even slightly similar.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Also, I find many people anti-mainstream crowd to be really superficial when it comes to music. Many of them care about alot of superficial **** that has nothing to do with the way that the music sounds, but has more to do with carving out a little cultural niche.

I'm neither pro-mainstream or anti-mainstream. If the songwriting is good and if the actual songs sound good and resonate, then I like it regardless of any other factors like genre, popularity, authorship, etc.

BuryMe

It sort of reminds me about this story I read. I can't stand people hating on legitimately great music just because a lot of other people like it.

Here's the story: http://notalwaysright.com/righteous-indie-nation/10596

I'll read that article as soon as I'm done with an essay I have to finish.

You are confusing my comment of liking to make music with making the music one likes and not worrying about sales. Pop is always about the sales.

LJS9502_basic

There are indie pop bands. And they do it because tey love makng pop music.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You are confusing my comment of liking to make music with making the music one likes and not worrying about sales. Pop is always about the sales.

BuryMe

There are indie pop bands. And they do it because tey love makng pop music.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

They don't have an underground feel IMO, but I do fail to see how Nickelback and Blue October are similar.

GreySeal9

They don't sound even slightly similar.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You are confusing my comment of liking to make music with making the music one likes and not worrying about sales. Pop is always about the sales.

LJS9502_basic

There are indie pop bands. And they do it because tey love makng pop music.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yet both bands play post grunge.....and that is the similarity I was referring to in my post.;)LJS9502_basic

They don't sound even slightly similar.

That doesn't make them similar.

Outkast and Young Jeezy are in the same genre, yet they sound nothing alike.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

They don't sound even slightly similar.

GreySeal9

That doesn't make them similar.

Outkast and Young Jeezy are in the same genre, yet they sound nothing alike.