why do people still think the world is only 6000 years old?
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="aliend"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]No, the Bible does not state that the Earth is 6000 years old.
Of course I believe the Bible.
mig_killer2
So how old do you think the Earth is?
~4 Billion years.
That is funny. (No offence)None taken.
But I must ask: Why do you think it's funny?
I think the earth would be a terribly run down place or not even here if it were that old. Stop and think about how long 4 billion years really is.without humans Earth would be ok until the Sun expired.
We pollute the planet thus reducing how much longer it has to live
in the long run (hundreds of millions of years) humans will have absolutely no effect on this planet whatsoeverWOAH!
ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
are you including the long life spans of some of these ancestors?Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years.
seanxixamx99
WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
seanxixamx99
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]are you including the long life spans of some of these ancestors?Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years.
Hewkii
of course
if your wondering if I ever did the math myself - then no(dont bother using that as a fallacy in my argument.please)
im pretty sure it lists the ages for most (if not all) of Jesus' ancestors
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="aliend"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]No, the Bible does not state that the Earth is 6000 years old.
Of course I believe the Bible.
seanxixamx99
So how old do you think the Earth is?
~4 Billion years.
That is funny. (No offence)None taken.
But I must ask: Why do you think it's funny?
I think the earth would be a terribly run down place or not even here if it were that old. Stop and think about how long 4 billion years really is.without humans Earth would be ok until the Sun expired.
We pollute the planet thus reducing how much longer it has to live
in the long run (hundreds of millions of years) humans will have absolutely no effect on this planet whatsoeverWOAH!
ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
People are entitled to interpret the bible as they wish.[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]are you including the long life spans of some of these ancestors?Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years.
seanxixamx99
of course
if your wondering if I ever did the math myself - then no(dont bother using that as a fallacy in my argument.please)
im pretty sure it lists the ages for most (if not all) of Jesus' ancestors
This "add up the life spans of adam and eve's descendants to determine the age of the world" thingis claptrap and proves absolutely nothing.
This ridiculous idea isn't even evidence that the earth is 6000 years old, it is the basis of it!!!! :lol:
[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
bradleybhoy
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
seanxixamx99
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
People have been claiming the end of times for nearly a thousand years now. What makes your claim any more sound?logically, a real Christian is also a Catholic, correct?someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
seanxixamx99
[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
Def_Jef88
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
People have been claiming the end of times for nearly a thousand years now. What makes your claim any more sound?forgive the (now) i put, i should have put (soon.) read revelations, and the prophecies on the end times preceding it. it makes very specific mentions to what the earth will be like during the end times. It mentions how wicked the world will be with greed, lust......etc. Would you agree with the statement "the world is getting more wicked"? (hint:yes)
if you want more "physical" evidence, it also mentions changes the earth itself will go through. My personal favorite is how the amount of earthquakes will increase. Increase in Earthquake Frequency over the past several decades = FaCt
The signs are literally everywhere, Christians all over the world are discussing the possibility of the 2nd Coming of Jesus all the time now. Which answersthequestion "Why are all these Christians so desperate to get people saved nowadays(or as you would say "shove their religion down my throat")?"
it's been like that literally forever.forgive the (now) i put, i should have put (soon.) read revelations, and the prophecies on the end times preceding it. it makes very specific mentions to what the earth will be like during the end times. It mentions how wicked the world will be with greed, lust......etc. Would you agree with the statement "the world is getting more wicked"? (hint:yes)
seanxixamx99
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
seanxixamx99
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
People have been claiming the end of times for nearly a thousand years now. What makes your claim any more sound?forgive the (now) i put, i should have put (soon.) read revelations, and the prophecies on the end times preceding it. it makes very specific mentions to what the earth will be like during the end times. It mentions how wicked the world will be with greed, lust......etc. Would you agree with the statement "the world is getting more wicked"? (hint:yes)
if you want more "physical" evidence, it also mentions changes the earth itself will go through. My personal favorite is how the amount of earthquakes will increase. Increase in Earthquake Frequency over the past several decades = FaCt
The signs are literally everywhere, Christians all over the world are discussing the possibility of the 2nd Coming of Jesus all the time now. Which answersthequestion "Why are all these Christians so desperate to get people saved nowadays(or as you would say "shove their religion down my throat")?"
I read revelations. It was a good read, and entertaining enough. But its not something id ever take seriously...[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="aliend"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]No, the Bible does not state that the Earth is 6000 years old.
Of course I believe the Bible.
seanxixamx99
So how old do you think the Earth is?
~4 Billion years.
That is funny. (No offence)None taken.
But I must ask: Why do you think it's funny?
I think the earth would be a terribly run down place or not even here if it were that old. Stop and think about how long 4 billion years really is.without humans Earth would be ok until the Sun expired.
We pollute the planet thus reducing how much longer it has to live
in the long run (hundreds of millions of years) humans will have absolutely no effect on this planet whatsoeverWOAH!
ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
well, if christianity and evolution CANNOT coexist (which they can), then tough **** for christianity. what are you going to believe? a 2000 year old text, or mountains of empirical data?[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
seanxixamx99
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
People have been claiming the end of times for nearly a thousand years now. What makes your claim any more sound?forgive the (now) i put, i should have put (soon.) read revelations, and the prophecies on the end times preceding it. it makes very specific mentions to what the earth will be like during the end times. It mentions how wicked the world will be with greed, lust......etc. Would you agree with the statement "the world is getting more wicked"? (hint:yes)
if you want more "physical" evidence, it also mentions changes the earth itself will go through. My personal favorite is how the amount of earthquakes will increase. Increase in Earthquake Frequency over the past several decades = FaCt
The signs are literally everywhere, Christians all over the world are discussing the possibility of the 2nd Coming of Jesus all the time now. Which answersthequestion "Why are all these Christians so desperate to get people saved nowadays(or as you would say "shove their religion down my throat")?"
the amount of earthquakes has not been increasingaren't they're pyramids and stuff documented to be over 10,000 years old?a-c-slateryes. our written history goes back further than 6000 years
[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]logically, a real Christian is also a Catholic, correct?someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
Hewkii
To be honest, Christians are beginning to look down upon Catholicism, mainly because of the VAST misinterpretation of Scripture. Ill be frank WE ARENT SUPPOSED TO WORSHIP MARY, THAT IS STRAIGHT BLASPHEMY! srry if that offends but we ARE talking about peoples souls nowadays. I blame the corruption of Catholicism on the inability for practioners to read during the Middle Ages, only important religious readers could read the Bible, soon their lust for power got the best of them, they then began to create their own "laws" ie: the pope, no man is supposed to be the "head of all religion in the world" for the pope to be a teacher is not wrong, i mean thats what a pastor or a priest is right? but for him to able to "deny someone from Heaven" (excommunication) is just blasphemy, and not true. Another thing wrong with Catholicism is the constanly violate the second commandment - no graven images, why? because to worship a statue of someone, even if it is Jesus on a cross, not only puts a mental "limit" to God in their minds but also tends to lead them from God all together.
to be basic, Catholics are people trying to claw their way to Heaven through traditions and practice(which is my definition of religion, something im against)
BTW TRUE Christianity has nothing to do with tradition and practice at all, another thing that would suprise the world
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have nomore credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
mig_killer2
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
People have been claiming the end of times for nearly a thousand years now. What makes your claim any more sound?forgive the (now) i put, i should have put (soon.) read revelations, and the prophecies on the end times preceding it. it makes very specific mentions to what the earth will be like during the end times. It mentions how wicked the world will be with greed, lust......etc. Would you agree with the statement "the world is getting more wicked"? (hint:yes)
if you want more "physical" evidence, it also mentions changes the earth itself will go through. My personal favorite is how the amount of earthquakes will increase. Increase in Earthquake Frequency over the past several decades = FaCt
The signs are literally everywhere, Christians all over the world are discussing the possibility of the 2nd Coming of Jesus all the time now. Which answersthequestion "Why are all these Christians so desperate to get people saved nowadays(or as you would say "shove their religion down my throat")?"
the amount of earthquakes has not been increasingAre you serious?.......:|
nobody knows how old.um..... wow
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have nomore credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
TheBigTicket21
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
seanxixamx99
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
People have been claiming the end of times for nearly a thousand years now. What makes your claim any more sound?forgive the (now) i put, i should have put (soon.) read revelations, and the prophecies on the end times preceding it. it makes very specific mentions to what the earth will be like during the end times. It mentions how wicked the world will be with greed, lust......etc. Would you agree with the statement "the world is getting more wicked"? (hint:yes)
if you want more "physical" evidence, it also mentions changes the earth itself will go through. My personal favorite is how the amount of earthquakes will increase. Increase in Earthquake Frequency over the past several decades = FaCt
The signs are literally everywhere, Christians all over the world are discussing the possibility of the 2nd Coming of Jesus all the time now. Which answersthequestion "Why are all these Christians so desperate to get people saved nowadays(or as you would say "shove their religion down my throat")?"
the amount of earthquakes has not been increasingAre you serious?.......:|
why dont you give me some proof, or at least a statistics proving the amount of earthquakes has been increasing[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.um..... wow
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have nomore credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
Def_Jef88
I second that, and I would also like to add...WHAT THE ****?
[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.um..... wow
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
Def_Jef88
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]you just said a real Christian should go to church, correct?BTW TRUE Christianity has nothing to do with tradition and practice at all(going to church is hardly tradition, it is a command by God to "fellowship"), another thing that would suprise the world
Hewkii
KNEW IT, cant believe I forgot to put that in! *edits* I dont go to church because I HAVE to, or because ill go to Hell if I dont. I go to worship God, something that non Christians just wont understand(and i dont have time to explain: school tomorrow) and I go to gather with my brothers and sisters in Christ, there are many verses on how it is important to a growing Christian to go to church, it refreshes and helps you. BTW going to church is not enough to "get you to Heaven" another thing people think is true
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.um..... wow
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
TheBigTicket21
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
Of course it isn't 100% or flawless but it is miles closer to 100% flawlessness than the YEC's theory. Therefore I will believe the current scientific findings until something more credible comes along. Which is highly unlikely.
[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]you just said a real Christian should go to church, correct?BTW TRUE Christianity has nothing to do with tradition and practice at all(going to church is hardly tradition, it is a command by God to "fellowship"), another thing that would suprise the world
seanxixamx99
KNEW IT, cant believe I forgot to put that in! *edits* I dont go to church because I HAVE to, or because ill go to Hell if I dont. I go to worship God, something that non Christians just wont understand(and i dont have time to explain: school tomorrow) and I go to gather with my brothers and sisters in Christ, there are many verses on how it is important to a growing Christian to go to church, it refreshes and helps you. BTW going to church is not enough to "get you to Heaven" another thing people think is true
Even when I was a chrstian I chose not to go to church. The preacher was always very boring and focused on a random piece of scripture for hours, they spent time singing instead of actuall learning, and even worse, used it as a way to pursue their own political agendas. I found it much better to read and interpret the bible myself rather than just let somg guy tell what it meant and blieve him just because he sais so. Of course now, I guess that doesent matter anymore.[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.um..... wow
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
TheBigTicket21
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless. we dont know that it is 100% flawless. nothing in the real world is an absolute certainty. we know the age of the earth bydating meteors and moon rocks with radiometric dating methods such as uranium-lead dating, rubidium strontium dating, and isochron dating.we also know that the earth is at least 4.1 billionyears old by performing radiometrictests on minerals found in sedimentary rock here on earth. thatputs the bottom limit on 4.1 billion years
[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]WOAH!ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
mig_killer2
Who are you to say that someone can't be a christian if they don't take every word of the bible literally? The RE tracher at my school even said that the bible should be interpreted symbolically.
someone who reads his Bible. Someone who knows that the Bible mentions that in the end times (now) there would be liars and hypocrites claiming to be Christians and prophets but are really deceivers in disguise. O and Christian is a follower of Christ. You could say Judas was a Christian, but then he betrayed Jesus, and then committed suicide from guilt, nowwas he a REAL christian. no.But a REAL christian is one who follows his teachings, goes to churches where pastors or scholars can help him interpret the Bible CORRECTLY. The Bible also commands this. To answer your question, yes. The Bible is the written word of the Lord, though some may misinterpret it, and even mislead others for it, that doesnt mean they cant be forgiven of their ignorance and find the Truth(something that almost everyone on earth has lost *sigh*)
People have been claiming the end of times for nearly a thousand years now. What makes your claim any more sound?forgive the (now) i put, i should have put (soon.) read revelations, and the prophecies on the end times preceding it. it makes very specific mentions to what the earth will be like during the end times. It mentions how wicked the world will be with greed, lust......etc. Would you agree with the statement "the world is getting more wicked"? (hint:yes)
if you want more "physical" evidence, it also mentions changes the earth itself will go through. My personal favorite is how the amount of earthquakes will increase. Increase in Earthquake Frequency over the past several decades = FaCt
The signs are literally everywhere, Christians all over the world are discussing the possibility of the 2nd Coming of Jesus all the time now. Which answersthequestion "Why are all these Christians so desperate to get people saved nowadays(or as you would say "shove their religion down my throat")?"
the amount of earthquakes has not been increasingAre you serious?.......:|
why dont you give me some proof, or at least a statistics proving the amount of earthquakes has been increasing[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.um..... wow
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have nomore credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
Def_Jef88
I second that, and I would also like to add...WHAT THE ****?
1. just google it bro :P (course ull either not find what ure looking for right away and call me a liar, or u will and deny it)
2. if i provided a site u would most likely disregard it as bias or "religious propagand" (ive seen it a hundred times on this board in like the past 5 days, although not specifically by you)
wish to talk more my fellows but i gotta get to bed (and um please save your petty comments about how im "a weak arguer who quits when the going gets tough" it is a sign of uncertainty on your part ;)
um..... wow[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
bradleybhoy
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
Of course it isn't 100% or flawless but it is miles closer to 100% flawlessness than the YEC's theory. Therefore I will believe the current scientific findings until something more credible comes along. Which is highly unlikely.
explain to me how non-life can develop into life and into human emotion.[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]you just said a real Christian should go to church, correct?BTW TRUE Christianity has nothing to do with tradition and practice at all(going to church is hardly tradition, it is a command by God to "fellowship"), another thing that would suprise the world
Def_Jef88
KNEW IT, cant believe I forgot to put that in! *edits* I dont go to church because I HAVE to, or because ill go to Hell if I dont. I go to worship God, something that non Christians just wont understand(and i dont have time to explain: school tomorrow) and I go to gather with my brothers and sisters in Christ, there are many verses on how it is important to a growing Christian to go to church, it refreshes and helps you. BTW going to church is not enough to "get you to Heaven" another thing people think is true
Even when I was a chrstian I chose not to go to church. The preacher was always very boring and focused on a random piece of scripture for hours, they spent time singing instead of actuall learning, and even worse, used it as a way to pursue their own political agendas. I found it much better to read and interpret the bible myself rather than just let somg guy tell what it meant and blieve him just because he sais so. Of course now, I guess that doesent matter anymore.ure the kind of person Im talking about, u obviously were NOT a Christian, dont even try denying that, its written in every single sentence of your post. WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN DISGUISE. U literally just PROVED my point word for word
[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]um..... wow[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
TheBigTicket21
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
Of course it isn't 100% or flawless but it is miles closer to 100% flawlessness than the YEC's theory. Therefore I will believe the current scientific findings until something more credible comes along. Which is highly unlikely.
explain to me how non-life can develop into life and into human emotion. sometime around 3 billion years ago, the earth was this organic soup. over billions of years, the carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water in earths atmosphere and oceans combined with electricity to form amino acids. these amino acids eventually formed self-replicating polymers. these self-replicating polymers became bigger and more complex as time went on. eventually, the first lifeforms appeared. then evolution took its course[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]um..... wow[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
mig_killer2
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
Of course it isn't 100% or flawless but it is miles closer to 100% flawlessness than the YEC's theory. Therefore I will believe the current scientific findings until something more credible comes along. Which is highly unlikely.
explain to me how non-life can develop into life and into human emotion. sometime around 3 billion years ago, the earth was this organic soup. over billions of years, the carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water in earths atmosphere and oceans combined with electricity to form amino acids. these amino acids eventually formed self-replicating polymers. these self-replicating polymers became bigger and more complex as time went on. eventually, the first lifeforms appeared. then evolution took its course you know this how?[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]um..... wow[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
TheBigTicket21
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
Of course it isn't 100% or flawless but it is miles closer to 100% flawlessness than the YEC's theory. Therefore I will believe the current scientific findings until something more credible comes along. Which is highly unlikely.
explain to me how non-life can develop into life and into human emotion. sometime around 3 billion years ago, the earth was this organic soup. over billions of years, the carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water in earths atmosphere and oceans combined with electricity to form amino acids. these amino acids eventually formed self-replicating polymers. these self-replicating polymers became bigger and more complex as time went on. eventually, the first lifeforms appeared. then evolution took its course you know this how? talkorigins.orgyou shoud visit www.talkorigins.org sometime and enlighten yourself
[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]you just said a real Christian should go to church, correct?BTW TRUE Christianity has nothing to do with tradition and practice at all(going to church is hardly tradition, it is a command by God to "fellowship"), another thing that would suprise the world
seanxixamx99
KNEW IT, cant believe I forgot to put that in! *edits* I dont go to church because I HAVE to, or because ill go to Hell if I dont. I go to worship God, something that non Christians just wont understand(and i dont have time to explain: school tomorrow) and I go to gather with my brothers and sisters in Christ, there are many verses on how it is important to a growing Christian to go to church, it refreshes and helps you. BTW going to church is not enough to "get you to Heaven" another thing people think is true
Even when I was a chrstian I chose not to go to church. The preacher was always very boring and focused on a random piece of scripture for hours, they spent time singing instead of actuall learning, and even worse, used it as a way to pursue their own political agendas. I found it much better to read and interpret the bible myself rather than just let somg guy tell what it meant and blieve him just because he sais so. Of course now, I guess that doesent matter anymore.ure the kind of person Im talking about, u obviously were NOT a Christian, dont even try denying that, its written in every single sentence of your post. WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN DISGUISE. U literally just PROVED my point word for word
I was more of a chrstian then you....[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]um..... wow[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
mig_killer2
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
Of course it isn't 100% or flawless but it is miles closer to 100% flawlessness than the YEC's theory. Therefore I will believe the current scientific findings until something more credible comes along. Which is highly unlikely.
explain to me how non-life can develop into life and into human emotion. sometime around 3 billion years ago, the earth was this organic soup. over billions of years, the carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water in earths atmosphere and oceans combined with electricity to form amino acids. these amino acids eventually formed self-replicating polymers. these self-replicating polymers became bigger and more complex as time went on. eventually, the first lifeforms appeared. then evolution took its course you know this how? talkorigins.orgyou shoud visit www.talkorigins.org sometime and enlighten yourself
so you haven't done any studies to actually prove your theory?[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="aliend"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]No, the Bible does not state that the Earth is 6000 years old.
Of course I believe the Bible.
mig_killer2
So how old do you think the Earth is?
~4 Billion years.
That is funny. (No offence)None taken.
But I must ask: Why do you think it's funny?
I think the earth would be a terribly run down place or not even here if it were that old. Stop and think about how long 4 billion years really is.without humans Earth would be ok until the Sun expired.
We pollute the planet thus reducing how much longer it has to live
in the long run (hundreds of millions of years) humans will have absolutely no effect on this planet whatsoeverWOAH!
ok first of all, no duh the Bible doesnt just plain say that the earth (and universe) is only 6000 years old. Why? Because that would make the Bible dated, elimating its purpose.
Two. If anyone actually DID read their Bible they would know that i tcontains the complete family line from Adam all the way to Jesus which (what scholars have calculated) is about 4000 years. We all know Jesus lived 2000 years ago. Do the math. To call yourself a Christian and believe the earth is millions or billions of years old is either ignorance or straight blasphemy(a sin). And it is because of this ignorance or "need to fit in with the evolutionists" that Christianity has earned such a terrible name. Why is it sohard for REAL Christians to defend their faith? Because they dont kno how, because 1. religion is not taught in almost all public schools 2. They don't read their Bible because we live in a world that is slowly despising us more and more which makes learning apologetics very difficult
well, if christianity and evolution CANNOT coexist (which they can), then tough **** for christianity. what are you going to believe? a 2000 year old text, or mountains of empirical data?2000 year old text. TBH the Old Testament is older than 2000 years.[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"]you just said a real Christian should go to church, correct?BTW TRUE Christianity has nothing to do with tradition and practice at all(going to church is hardly tradition, it is a command by God to "fellowship"), another thing that would suprise the world
Def_Jef88
KNEW IT, cant believe I forgot to put that in! *edits* I dont go to church because I HAVE to, or because ill go to Hell if I dont. I go to worship God, something that non Christians just wont understand(and i dont have time to explain: school tomorrow) and I go to gather with my brothers and sisters in Christ, there are many verses on how it is important to a growing Christian to go to church, it refreshes and helps you. BTW going to church is not enough to "get you to Heaven" another thing people think is true
Even when I was a chrstian I chose not to go to church. The preacher was always very boring and focused on a random piece of scripture for hours, they spent time singing instead of actuall learning, and even worse, used it as a way to pursue their own political agendas. I found it much better to read and interpret the bible myself rather than just let somg guy tell what it meant and blieve him just because he sais so. Of course now, I guess that doesent matter anymore.ure the kind of person Im talking about, u obviously were NOT a Christian, dont even try denying that, its written in every single sentence of your post. WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN DISGUISE. U literally just PROVED my point word for word
I was more of a chrstian then you....people in disguise? You're in no positition to say whether someone's faith isn't real or not
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]um..... wow[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
TheBigTicket21
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
Of course it isn't 100% or flawless but it is miles closer to 100% flawlessness than the YEC's theory. Therefore I will believe the current scientific findings until something more credible comes along. Which is highly unlikely.
explain to me how non-life can develop into life and into human emotion. sometime around 3 billion years ago, the earth was this organic soup. over billions of years, the carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water in earths atmosphere and oceans combined with electricity to form amino acids. these amino acids eventually formed self-replicating polymers. these self-replicating polymers became bigger and more complex as time went on. eventually, the first lifeforms appeared. then evolution took its course you know this how? talkorigins.orgyou shoud visit www.talkorigins.org sometime and enlighten yourself
so you haven't done any studies to actually prove your theory? I personally have not, but others havePeople still think it's only six thousand years old? Wow.killalln00bsis that an actual wow?
I bet you didn't know that 43% of americans believe it
[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]um..... wow[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]nobody knows how old.
the same people that say the Bible is just a book written by a bunch of monks are the people who learned these scientific facts in science text books written by a bunch of scientists who have no more credibility than the people that wrote the Bible.
mig_killer2
okay...explain to me how they know 100% that there tests to determine the age of things is flawless.
Of course it isn't 100% or flawless but it is miles closer to 100% flawlessness than the YEC's theory. Therefore I will believe the current scientific findings until something more credible comes along. Which is highly unlikely.
explain to me how non-life can develop into life and into human emotion. sometime around 3 billion years ago, the earth was this organic soup. over billions of years, the carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water in earths atmosphere and oceans combined with electricity to form amino acids. these amino acids eventually formed self-replicating polymers. these self-replicating polymers became bigger and more complex as time went on. eventually, the first lifeforms appeared. then evolution took its course you know this how? talkorigins.orgyou shoud visit www.talkorigins.org sometime and enlighten yourself
so you haven't done any studies to actually prove your theory? I personally have not, but others have yet your belief is more accurate than mine?Please Log In to post.
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