why do people think Ron Paul is too extreme?

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#1 HFkami
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For me he seems to the best president if he would be elected,

he will end the fed which is a private corporation printing money, bringing the troops back to saving alot of money, cancelling the healthcare which is unnecessary at the time cuz america is bankrupt, mariuhana would be legal which isnt so strange ( many countries in europe have legelazid mariuhana) and it would end the drug wars were many people are dieng. And hes against abortion because he believes every person has a right to life which is why he also admited that he doesnt like the death penalty.

Also he would lower the taxes.

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#2 majoras_wrath
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Because his policies sound really good until you realize how vague they are and how impossible they are to achieve.
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Taxes have been at their lowest point in decades...
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#4 HFkami
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Because his policies sound really good until you realize how vague they are and how impossible they are to achieve.majoras_wrath

could obama archieve everything he was saying?

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Ron Paul, who's that?
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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]Because his policies sound really good until you realize how vague they are and how impossible they are to achieve.HFkami

could obama archieve everything he was saying?

I don't remember saying I support Obama, so leave your strawmen at the door. That said, Obama is a fairly moderate democrat.
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#7 branketra
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Although some of his policies appear party-like, it seems like he's taking a more of an independent approach with his campaigning. Well, that and going back to the gold standard scares people.
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-I want the US to stay in the UN -I don't think airline passengers should be allowed to bring their loaded firearms onto airplanes -I think it was the right decision to cross into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden -I think it's worth our while to try to hunt down Al Qaeda operatives -I would not allow a state to nullify the 13th amendment -I would have prosecuted the Civil War to save the Union if I were president in 1861 -I believe in Evolution -I believe in basic standards of universal human rights -I am concerned when these rights are grossly violated, even in other countries All of these positions put me at odds with Ron Paul - and I am a conservative Republican. Dude's crazy.
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#9 mattbbpl
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He also advocates ending public education, medicare, social security, industry regulations, and income taxes.
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#10 branketra
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He also advocates ending public education, medicare, social security, industry regulations, and income taxes. mattbbpl
Link? That just seems ridiculous. The public education part more than anything.

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-I want the US to stay in the UN -I don't think airline passengers should be allowed to bring their loaded firearms onto airplanes -I think it was the right decision to cross into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden -I think it's worth our while to try to hunt down Al Qaeda operatives -I would not allow a state to nullify the 13th amendment -I would have prosecuted the Civil War to save the Union if I were president in 1861 -I believe in Evolution -I believe in basic standards of universal human rights -I am concerned when these rights are grossly violated, even in other countries All of these positions put me at odds with Ron Paul - and I am a conservative Republican. Dude's crazy.fidosim

Well said.

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-I want the US to stay in the UN -I don't think airline passengers should be allowed to bring their loaded firearms onto airplanes -I think it was the right decision to cross into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden -I think it's worth our while to try to hunt down Al Qaeda operatives -I would not allow a state to nullify the 13th amendment -I would have prosecuted the Civil War to save the Union if I were president in 1861 -I believe in Evolution -I believe in basic standards of universal human rights -I am concerned when these rights are grossly violated, even in other countries All of these positions put me at odds with Ron Paul - and I am a conservative Republican. Dude's crazy.fidosim

he believes in evolution too, the rest i dunno but i think these are lies from you too except that for the UN which isnt so creazy counting the vetos america does for other countries instead for itself.

dont take everything he said into account hes for long time in politics and dont take the media serious they are the crazy ones pushing obama like a second jesus. And now they are ignoring Paul even when he makes succes.

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#14 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Yea, we don't want anyone who agrees with the scientific community to be our leader. I want some who talks to Jesus everyday, possibly through a hairbrush. EntropyWins

What the f*** are you talking about?

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#15 coolbeans90
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I agree with a lot he says. But what he's wrong about, he's very, very wrong about.

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[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]Yea, we don't want anyone who agrees with the scientific community to be our leader. I want some who talks to Jesus everyday, possibly through a hairbrush. airshocker

What the f*** are you talking about?

Sorry i never learned reading comprehension in school

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For me he seems to the best president if he would be elected,

he will end the fed which is a private corporation printing money, bringing the troops back to saving alot of money, cancelling the healthcare which is unnecessary at the time cuz america is bankrupt, mariuhana would be legal which isnt so strange ( many countries in europe have legelazid mariuhana) and it would end the drug wars were many people are dieng. And hes against abortion because he believes every person has a right to life which is why he also admited that he doesnt like the death penalty.

Also he would lower the taxes.

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The Fed has both public and private components, which makes it a unique central bank. In addition, it is unique because it doesn't create the currency, the Treasury Dept. does that. On Ron Paul, a lot of Republicans consider him to be left of center, which doesn't sit well with the rest of the party, be they centrist or right of center.
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Because his policies sound really good until you realize how vague they are and how impossible they are to achieve.majoras_wrath

Very much this, many of his policies simply aren't realistic. There is no way he could ever get enough support to do a lot of the things he wants to do.Not to mention some of his supporters strike me as a bit little crazy. I realize that isn't a fair representation of Ron Paul and you can't judge his policies based on that. Still, when you look around and realize you're on the crazy bus you really can't help but wonder who is driving.

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the rest i dunno but i think these are lies from youHFkami

He did say he was a conservative. We can't trust those types. I'm watchin you Fidosim.

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]He also advocates ending public education, medicare, social security, industry regulations, and income taxes. BranKetra
Link? That just seems ridiculous.

These are pretty standard Libertarian stances that I've seen, but here are some links anyway:

http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-11-08/end-social-security-medicare-and-the-welfare-warfare-state/

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/education/

http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-04-15/end-the-income-tax-abolish-the-irs/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Minimal_market_interference

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#21 dsmccracken
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The President is a figurehead, and Ron Paul as that figurehead wouldn't be able to get Congress to do HALF of what he proposes.
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He also wanted to fight the war on terror with letters of marque which I find kind of funny when you consider the fact that he is so opposed to using the American military in any shape or form in a foreign conflict.

Sending American special forces to target someone = no go

Using mercenaries to target someone = perfectly acceptable

There are a ton of reasons why that is a horrible idea.

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His economic policies are extreme....
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He also wanted to fight the war on terror with letters of marque which I find kind of funny when you consider the fact that he is so opposed to using the American military in any shape or form in a foreign conflict.

Sending American special forces to target some one = no go

Using mercenaries to target someone = perfectly acceptable

There are a ton of reasons why that is a horrible idea.

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:lol: Really? Day by day I realize just how loony he is. And he won 2nd in the strawpoll. :?
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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

He also wanted to fight the war on terror with letters of marque which I find kind of funny when you consider the fact that he is so opposed to using the American military in any shape or form in a foreign conflict.

Sending American special forces to target some one = no go

Using mercenaries to target someone = perfectly acceptable

There are a ton of reasons why that is a horrible idea.

majoras_wrath

:lol: Really? Day by day I realize just how loony he is. And he won 2nd in the strawpoll. :?

He does well in those, much more so than in actual elections. I think it has to do with his highly enthusiastic fanbase.

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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

He also wanted to fight the war on terror with letters of marque which I find kind of funny when you consider the fact that he is so opposed to using the American military in any shape or form in a foreign conflict.

Sending American special forces to target some one = no go

Using mercenaries to target someone = perfectly acceptable

There are a ton of reasons why that is a horrible idea.

majoras_wrath
:lol: Really? Day by day I realize just how loony he is. And he won 2nd in the strawpoll. :?

Michelle Bachman was 1st, and she's even crazier
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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

He also wanted to fight the war on terror with letters of marque which I find kind of funny when you consider the fact that he is so opposed to using the American military in any shape or form in a foreign conflict.

Sending American special forces to target some one = no go

Using mercenaries to target someone = perfectly acceptable

There are a ton of reasons why that is a horrible idea.

stanleycup98

:lol: Really? Day by day I realize just how loony he is. And he won 2nd in the strawpoll. :?

Michelle Bachman was 1st, and she's even crazier

Don't remind me. Why couldn't it have been a state other then the one I reside in? :cry:

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#28 The_Capitalist
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To be honest, Ron Paul is the Republican candidate I would vote for. At least he doesn't flipflop.

I agree with him on many points, but certain points... like ending the EPA, certain industry regulations... Those do not sit well with me.

And unlike him, I believe that abortion bans should be decided by the states themselves, not the federal government. Ironic how this is the only bit of Federal regulation he is for.

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#29 UnknownSniper65
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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

He also wanted to fight the war on terror with letters of marque which I find kind of funny when you consider the fact that he is so opposed to using the American military in any shape or form in a foreign conflict.

Sending American special forces to target some one = no go

Using mercenaries to target someone = perfectly acceptable

There are a ton of reasons why that is a horrible idea.

majoras_wrath

:lol: Really? Day by day I realize just how loony he is. And he won 2nd in the strawpoll. :?

Not a huge surprise, he always does well in strawpolls and then fails in the general election. He does well in strawpolls because his fanbase is so organized and (to be honest)fanatical.

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He wants to legalize marijuana, I don't smoke but it is a great cash crop and would end a lot of fighting due to drugs.

He wants to legalize prostitution, which would create a better work enviroment for hookers and make it safer for people who use them.

He wants to get out of the war. This is a pointless war that is costing way to much of our money.

He wants to ban abortion. I used to be pro abortion, but I decided to watch one, and oh gawd.

Sure he has extreme ideas, but some are so extreme they can never take affect, so don't worry about it.

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He does not believe in separation of church and state
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He does not believe in separation of church and stateweezyfb

It would never take affect.

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#33 branketra
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These are pretty standard Libertarian stances that I've seen, but here are some links anyway:

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/education/

mattbbpl

I edited my post, but I didn't notice you already answered. About the education part, it doesn't say that he's for ending public education completely. Just the federal funding of it. I know that's a big money source for public schools, but it's not the same. Although some could compare it to cutting off a community's food supply and saying "they'll be fine," when they won't be.

I recently watched a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U gamespot won't link). I think it's worth watching. It isn't discounting or supporting Ron Paul directly, but it does give some background to the situation the education system is in currently.

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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]He does not believe in separation of church and stateM4Ntan

It would never take affect.

still i do not want him anywhere near the white house, this coupled with other things mentioned and not mentioned here. So many of his supporters forget these things, but he wants to totally legalize pot man.. so let's forget about the other stuff
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#35 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

These are pretty standard Libertarian stances that I've seen, but here are some links anyway:

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/education/

I edited my post, but I didn't notice you already answered. About the education part, it doesn't say that he's for ending public education completely. Just the federal funding of it. I know that's a big money source for public schools, but it's not the same. Although some could compare it to cutting off a community's food supply and saying "they'll be fine," when they won't be.

I recently watched a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U gamespot won't link). I think it's worth watching. It isn't discounting or supporting Ron Paul directly, but it does give some background to the situation the education system is in currently.

Sorry, I misspoke. Since Ron Paul is currently running for the office of president, I took it for granted that we were referring to the federal level.

You're correct, he advocates for no federal involvement in the school systems.
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He wants to ban abortion. I used to be pro abortion, but I decided to watch one, and oh gawd.

M4Ntan

I watched a woman giving birth and it was pretty disgusting. I don't want to ban birth though.

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i dont agree with him 100% but i agree with him far more than anyone else. i will be changing from independent to republican just to vote for him in the primary
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So many ignorant people feel like they know something by reading things on paper. "Lowing corporate taxes so we would have more exports, cancellation of welfare, etc", seems so great, but if you look at the repercussions, the negatives far outweigh the positives. The president of the United States has the top economists on his team. People who have studied this for years, history of it, etc. Do you really think answers this easy will solve it? Do you really think they aren't weighing out all the options and seeing what is the best to save this country? How can people be so naive.

Ron Paul is an old, senile idiot. Anyone who studied economics in college , and who is not insane, can see this. For 16 year old pot heads who have never lived on their own, he sounds like a freaking genius

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he does not believe in forcing his beliefs on others, and he is the only one running on that platform, he seeks to get rid of such force on the federal level.
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So many ignorant people feel like they know something by reading things on paper. "Lowing corporate taxes so we would have more exports, cancellation of welfare, etc", seems so great, but if you look at the repercussions, the negatives far outweigh the positives. The president of the United States has the top economists on his team. People who have studied this for years, history of it, etc. Do you really think answers this easy will solve it? Do you really think they aren't weighing out all the options and seeing what is the best to save this country? How can people be so naive.

Ron Paul is an old, senile idiot. Anyone who studied economics in college can, and who it not insane, can see this. For 16 year old pot heads who have never lived on their own, he sounds like a freaking genius

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he believes in evolution too, the rest i dunno but i think these are lies from you too except that for the UN which isnt so creazy counting the vetos america does for other countries instead for itself.HFkami
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Everything i've referred to came straight out of Ron Paul's mouth. And if we withdrew from the UN, which he sponsored a bill that would have us do that back in the '90s, we would be virtually the only sovereign country on earth to not be a member of one of the basic mediums of international diplomacy. But don't call him an isolationist!

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I think all his extremeness wouldn't see the light of day even if he was president. Obama is less extreme and he's still blocked from doing things.
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#43 Serraph105
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I think he is too extreme to be elected because he refuses to say versions of what he would like to enact that are more in line with what the majority of people tend to believe.

For example he wants all drugs to be legalized, but instead of saying something a litte more mainstream like, "We should legalize/decriminalize marijuana so that we can stop filling our prisons with what should be a minor offense," he goes all out and completely sticks to what he believes. Now I respect him for doing that, but it's a bad way of getting votes ultimately.

I continue to believe that he is the best GOP candidate in terms of how he would actually handle being president once he became president, but I also believe he will never get there because he pretty much refuses state his beliefs in a manner that gets the majority on his side.

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#44 Serraph105
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Now I will say this. For me personally I think his intention for the US to go back the gold standard is too extreme. He is still a republican so I am clearly going to have issues with probably the majority of his beliefs. It just seems that he is the least "fringe like" of all the republican candidates to date.

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He is a nice idealists but not practical. Canceling healthcare is not the answer, reforming it is. You cant just irresponsibly rush the troops back home. Returning a a gold standard is both impractical and unnecessary.
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#46 surrealnumber5
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He is a nice idealists but not practical. Canceling healthcare is not the answer, reforming it is. You cant just irresponsibly rush the troops back home. Returning a a gold standard is both impractical and unnecessary. Diablo-B
the presidency is not god, there are many things he can do, such as getting rid of the patriot act and ending the state of alert started with Eisenhower(if my memory is correct), there are many things he cannot like getting rid of court rullings he does not agree with.

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#47 00-Riddick-00
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Because he is Conservative. Therefor making him a radical :roll:
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Because he is Conservative. Therefor making him a radical 00-Riddick-00
Do explain.
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#49 00-Riddick-00
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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Because he is Conservative. Therefor making him a radical DroidPhysX
Do explain.

Im just saying that these days, anyone with a view that is quite different from popular mentality is usually considered an extremist.
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#50 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Because he is Conservative. Therefor making him a radical 00-Riddick-00
Do explain.

Im just saying that these days, anyone with a view that is quite different from popular mentality is usually considered an extremist.

Are atheists extremists? The popular mentality is to believe in God after all.