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#151 kraychik
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[QUOTE="kraychik"] They can't force you order anything, you're right, but they can require that you order something or leave their establishment.LJS9502_basic

Who else is going to use that seat? They can ask you to leave, but you are under no obligation to do so. It is not disturbing anyone.

IF they ask you to leave and you don't....you can be arrested.

Harashawn seems to not understand the concept of private property in this sense.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Who else is going to use that seat? They can ask you to leave, but you are under no obligation to do so. It is not disturbing anyone.kraychik
IF they ask you to leave and you don't....you can be arrested.

Harashawn seems to not understand the concept of private property in this sense.

I've noticed. As for the seat issue he brought up....unless it's a booth...chairs can and are moved to tables to seat large parties. Parties of paying customers.
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#153 harashawn
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="kraychik"] They can't force you order anything, you're right, but they can require that you order something or leave their establishment.LJS9502_basic

Who else is going to use that seat? They can ask you to leave, but you are under no obligation to do so. It is not disturbing anyone.

IF they ask you to leave and you don't....you can be arrested.

See how that works out. "Officer, he wouldn't order anything!"
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#154 kraychik
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Who else is going to use that seat? They can ask you to leave, but you are under no obligation to do so. It is not disturbing anyone.harashawn
IF they ask you to leave and you don't....you can be arrested.

See how that works out. "Officer, he wouldn't order anything!"

Are you serious? You really don't get it... Ah, well. I tried.
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#155 harashawn
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[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] IF they ask you to leave and you don't....you can be arrested.

See how that works out. "Officer, he wouldn't order anything!"

Are you serious? You really don't get it... Ah, well. I tried.

I understand what you've been saying; but I disagree with it. Him being there is causing no harm, and the restaurant has no right to make him order something or leave. The establishment does not make the laws; the government does. There is no law which states that someone must order something to be in a restaurant. Contrariwise, there is a law which states that you cannot enter someone's home without permission.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Who else is going to use that seat? They can ask you to leave, but you are under no obligation to do so. It is not disturbing anyone.harashawn
IF they ask you to leave and you don't....you can be arrested.

See how that works out. "Officer, he wouldn't order anything!"

IT's called trespassing.....you can be arrested if told to leave a business and you refuse.
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#157 kraychik
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[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="harashawn"] See how that works out. "Officer, he wouldn't order anything!"

Are you serious? You really don't get it... Ah, well. I tried.

I understand what you've been saying; but I disagree with it. Him being there is causing no harm, and the restaurant has no right to make him order something or leave. The establishment does not make the laws; the government does. There is no law which states that someone must order something to be in a restaurant. Contrariwise, there is a law which states that you cannot enter someone's home without permission.

Disagreement has nothing to do with it. The restaurant is private property and its owners reserve to right to determine who is and who is not allowed on their premises, with the only exceptions being a prohibition against discrimination based on protected grounds. So if they require that you purchase something, or adhere to some dresscode, or behave yourself in line with their standards, or anything else - they can ask you to leave and you must oblige their request, or else you are trespassing.
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#158 soulless4now
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Should've ordered a drink to make them shut up.

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#159 muller39
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]They can't force you to order something. You should've ordered water; that would show her.kraychik
They can't force you order anything, you're right, but they can require that you order something or leave their establishment.

If you're alone or nobody was getting anything I would understand that. But if others at the table are ordering it is extreme.
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#160 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="kraychik"] It's the restaurant's seat. Are you familiar with the concept of private property? kraychik
I would agree with this argument if TC and his friends all came in and none of them ordered anything; however, one in a group of five being asked to leave because he did not order something is ridiculous. It may be private property; but TC is in no way trespassing.

Look, this is simple. The tables and seats belong to the restaurant, and the restaurant gets to make its own rules. So if the restaurant advises someone to either order something or leave, it becomes trespassing if the guest refuses to leave at that point while not ordering anything. Your original question of, "who's gonna use that seat anyways?" isn't really relevant. Whether or not the restaurant is making a bad business decision by not being more laid-back is also irrelevant to this basic point.

I actually agree with kraychik. This feels dirty.

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#161 kraychik
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[QUOTE="muller39"][QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="harashawn"] They can't force you order anything, you're right, but they can require that you order something or leave their establishment.

If you're alone or nobody was getting anything I would understand that. But if others at the table are ordering it is extreme.

This more subjective, but perhaps you're right. Maybe they're being too uptight. Still, if they choose to tell someone to vacate their property, and the person refuses, the person is trespassing.
can't believe this, but I actually agree with kraychik.GreySeal9
Well, this isn't really a subjective issue. The law here is pretty clear.
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#162 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="muller39"][QUOTE="kraychik"] If you're alone or nobody was getting anything I would understand that. But if others at the table are ordering it is extreme.kraychik
This more subjective, but perhaps you're right. Maybe they're being too uptight. Still, if they choose to tell someone to vacate their property, and the person refuses, the person is trespassing.
can't believe this, but I actually agree with kraychik.GreySeal9
Well, this isn't really a subjective issue. The law here is pretty clear.

I'm still amazed. :P

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#163 gotdangit
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[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

I would personally consider most resturaunts or pubs that don't have dick policies regarding outside food to be a good way to keep business. But sure, fair enough if you just rocked up on your own with a bag of McDonald's or whatever. But if you're there with several friends.....well, you weren't going to eat their food anyway.....and they're already catering to a paying table. No problem as far as I'm concerned.

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Again, the outside food is a liability issue. The restaraunt is responsible for what happens inside their establishment. They have no control over food brought in from outside. Cross contamination can be a real issue for people with food allergies, and if someone with a peanut allergy gets sick because the restaraunt let you bring in a peanut butter sandwich then it's their ass on the line. This is why, for example, on Amtrak trains you are allowed to bring your own food on the train, but you are not allowed to eat it in the dining area.

I could walk into a restaurant and stub my toe and break it. Or jump on a table and break the table and stab myself and I can sue. Doesn't mean I'll win.

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#164 Shmiity
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I can understand the no outside food. But 4 people at your table are ordering... youre in their party. Sounds like an odd request to me.

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#165 worlock77
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[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="harashawn"] See how that works out. "Officer, he wouldn't order anything!"harashawn
Are you serious? You really don't get it... Ah, well. I tried.

I understand what you've been saying; but I disagree with it. Him being there is causing no harm, and the restaurant has no right to make him order something or leave. The establishment does not make the laws; the government does. There is no law which states that someone must order something to be in a restaurant. Contrariwise, there is a law which states that you cannot enter someone's home without permission.

You're right there Clarence Darrow, there is no law that states you have to order something to sit at a restaurant. The restaurant does, however, have the legal right to enact such a policy and to eject you from their establishment for not following it. And likewise to call the cops if you still refuse to leave.

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#166 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

I would personally consider most resturaunts or pubs that don't have dick policies regarding outside food to be a good way to keep business. But sure, fair enough if you just rocked up on your own with a bag of McDonald's or whatever. But if you're there with several friends.....well, you weren't going to eat their food anyway.....and they're already catering to a paying table. No problem as far as I'm concerned.

gotdangit

Again, the outside food is a liability issue. The restaraunt is responsible for what happens inside their establishment. They have no control over food brought in from outside. Cross contamination can be a real issue for people with food allergies, and if someone with a peanut allergy gets sick because the restaraunt let you bring in a peanut butter sandwich then it's their ass on the line. This is why, for example, on Amtrak trains you are allowed to bring your own food on the train, but you are not allowed to eat it in the dining area.

I could walk into a restaurant and stub my toe and break it. Or jump on a table and break the table and stab myself and I can sue. Doesn't mean I'll win.

Which has f*ck all to do with the point.

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#167 worlock77
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I can understand the no outside food. But 4 people at your table are ordering... youre in their party. Sounds like an odd request to me.

Shmiity

You're taking up a seat that then can't be used by a paying customer.

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#168 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

I would personally consider most resturaunts or pubs that don't have dick policies regarding outside food to be a good way to keep business. But sure, fair enough if you just rocked up on your own with a bag of McDonald's or whatever. But if you're there with several friends.....well, you weren't going to eat their food anyway.....and they're already catering to a paying table. No problem as far as I'm concerned.

gotdangit

Again, the outside food is a liability issue. The restaraunt is responsible for what happens inside their establishment. They have no control over food brought in from outside. Cross contamination can be a real issue for people with food allergies, and if someone with a peanut allergy gets sick because the restaraunt let you bring in a peanut butter sandwich then it's their ass on the line. This is why, for example, on Amtrak trains you are allowed to bring your own food on the train, but you are not allowed to eat it in the dining area.

I could walk into a restaurant and stub my toe and break it. Or jump on a table and break the table and stab myself and I can sue. Doesn't mean I'll win.

I know you were trying to make an amazing point, but it pretty much failed. Even if you get sick due to your own actions, the restaraunt is still going to have a policy that prevents any occurance that might turn into a lawsuit for them.

You sound like a kid who has no understanding of why businesses have the policies they do and complain as a result.