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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I believe in it yes.. But don't say there is "overwhelming evidence" because there isn't that much. There are still many unexplained gaps and people use those to fuel their disbelief of it.. zakkroThere are gaps, but there is overwhelming evidence... if there are gaps it's not overwhelming. until those gaps are filled, it's strong evidence but not definitive.
I don't want to make any generalizations, but what I've witnessed is that most people who don't believe in evolution don't understand how it actually works. There is this misconception that evolution is just one species giving birth to another species when in fact it is a process that takes hundreds of thousands of years. Just my 2 cents.-Sun_Tzu-
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I have yet to see a person who denies evolution and have any intelligent understanding of it.
[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I believe in it yes.. But don't say there is "overwhelming evidence" because there isn't that much. There are still many unexplained gaps and people use those to fuel their disbelief of it.. ferrari2001There are gaps, but there is overwhelming evidence... if there are gaps it's not overwhelming. until those gaps are filled, it's strong evidence but not definitive. That would depend on how much evidence there is and how big the gaps are... ~_~
[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I believe in it yes.. But don't say there is "overwhelming evidence" because there isn't that much. There are still many unexplained gaps and people use those to fuel their disbelief of it.. ferrari2001There are gaps, but there is overwhelming evidence... if there are gaps it's not overwhelming. until those gaps are filled, it's strong evidence but not definitive. If by 'gaps' you mean fossils we don't have, I'd be far more amazed if there WEREN'T gaps. The vast majority of living things don't fossilise. Gaps are to be expected.
I believe in it yes.. But don't say there is "overwhelming evidence" because there isn't that much. There are still many unexplained gaps and people use those to fuel their disbelief of it.. ferrari2001there are gaps in every scientific theory. The gaps in understanding of evolution aren't any more damning than, say, the gaps in the standard model.
Crazy Christians wouldn't stop believing in god even if there was 100% proof. They would say "God is trying to weed out the non believers!"harpersethummm. This is a thread about evolution not religion. I don't know where religion got thrown into this..
Crazy Christians wouldn't stop believing in god even if there was 100% proof. They would say "God is trying to weed out the non believers!"harpersethEvolution does not disprove the existence of god, just the fairy tale stories with in the literatures that are comparable to things like Greek Mythology on how we came to be in our current form.
[QUOTE="harperseth"]Crazy Christians wouldn't stop believing in god even if there was 100% proof. They would say "God is trying to weed out the non believers!"ferrari2001ummm. This is a thread about evolution not religion. I don't know where religion got thrown into this.. It's a thread about why some people don't accept the theory... religion could be a reason (though it isn't always the case, I know). :P
Because the religious right embraces ignorance like a fat kid embraces cakeM1MyRifle
your ignorant for saying thatÂ
because they would rather believe a book written thousands of years ago than trust science.shoeman12
because the majority of people who dont believe in evolution are religious.whitechocolate_
Because the religious right embraces ignorance like a fat kid embraces cakeM1MyRifleUmm... WTH? This is about evolution, not religion bashing...
because evolution takes logic, creationism doesn't.links136
^Statements like this are why.
Seriously, how can you be surprised that people deny evolution when people lord it over their heads? People don't explain evolution to creationists; they force-feed it into their throats and then mock them when they spit it back up. Such holier-than-thou elitism would turn anybody away from anything. I know I wouldn't like the idea of evolution if its proponents did nothing but harass me every way I went.
And no, they cannot "teach it to themselves" and they do not "have biology cIasses to kindly explain it to them;" in most cases a creationist is in a creationist school with creationist teachers and creationist biology cIasses, and what are they going to learn from these teachers? In addition, the fact that they have access to kindness is no excuse for incivility.
Finally, once they do know of evolution, why the hell are they required to accept it? Unless they want to be physicians, WHO CARES what they believe?
Perhaps if people would quit citing the flying spaghetti monster whenever they see a creationist and be a little mature in their dealings with creationists, there would be fewer creationists? Just a thought.Â
[QUOTE="links136"]because evolution takes logic, creationism doesn't.Theokhoth
^Statements like this are why.
Seriously, how can you be surprised that people deny evolution when people lord it over their heads? People don't explain evolution to creationists; they force-feed it into their throats and then mock them when they spit it back up. Such holier-than-thou elitism would turn anybody away from anything. I know I wouldn't like the idea of evolution if its proponents did nothing but harass me every way I went.
And no, they cannot "teach it to themselves" and they do not "have biology cIasses to kindly explain it to them;" in most cases a creationist is in a creationist school with creationist teachers and creationist biology cIasses, and what are they going to learn from these teachers? In addition, the fact that they have access to kindness is no excuse for incivility.
Perhaps if people would quit citing the flying spaghetti monster whenever the see a creationist and be a little mature in their dealings with creationists, there would be fewer creationists? Just a thought.Â
Or if some people actually thought for themselves and didn't treat science like some sort of king, it would be better. Maybe. Probably.Okay, pardon my generalization, but the people who don't believe in evolution are almost always religious...and the alternative is coming from a book that was written thousands of years ago and has no scientific basis whatsoever.Â
Everyone can believe what they want, but evolution is the closest to the truth, its not perfect but its the best humanity has at the moment.
I find it funny that people assume that Religion is a cause. I'm pretty sure the last leader of the largest christian denomination. Pope JP2, said evolution is an acceptable theory.. ferrari2001Certain denominations of certain religions. Happy? :P
It is either the uninformed or those who willfully deny evolution who don't believe in evolution.
Due to the vast amount of evidence in favor of evolution, anybody with a logical mindset would accept it and only those who are religious fanatics and/or illiterate on the subject would deny it otherwise. Unless you have solid evidence that proves that evolution is false, there really is no debate to question the theory's validity.
[QUOTE="links136"]because evolution takes logic, creationism doesn't.Theokhoth
^Statements like this are why.
Seriously, how can you be surprised that people deny evolution when people lord it over their heads? People don't explain evolution to creationists; they force-feed it into their throats and then mock them when they spit it back up. Such holier-than-thou elitism would turn anybody away from anything. I know I wouldn't like the idea of evolution if its proponents did nothing but harass me every way I went.
And no, they cannot "teach it to themselves" and they do not "have biology cIasses to kindly explain it to them;" in most cases a creationist is in a creationist school with creationist teachers and creationist biology cIasses, and what are they going to learn from these teachers? In addition, the fact that they have access to kindness is no excuse for incivility.
Finally, once they do know of evolution, why the hell are they required to accept it? Unless they want to be physicians, WHO CARES what they believe?
Perhaps if people would quit citing the flying spaghetti monster whenever the see a creationist and be a little mature in their dealings with creationists, there would be fewer creationists? Just a thought.
phhh, i wish it were that easy[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="links136"]because evolution takes logic, creationism doesn't.zakkro
^Statements like this are why.
Seriously, how can you be surprised that people deny evolution when people lord it over their heads? People don't explain evolution to creationists; they force-feed it into their throats and then mock them when they spit it back up. Such holier-than-thou elitism would turn anybody away from anything. I know I wouldn't like the idea of evolution if its proponents did nothing but harass me every way I went.
And no, they cannot "teach it to themselves" and they do not "have biology cIasses to kindly explain it to them;" in most cases a creationist is in a creationist school with creationist teachers and creationist biology cIasses, and what are they going to learn from these teachers? In addition, the fact that they have access to kindness is no excuse for incivility.
Perhaps if people would quit citing the flying spaghetti monster whenever the see a creationist and be a little mature in their dealings with creationists, there would be fewer creationists? Just a thought.Â
Or if some people actually thought for themselves and didn't treat science like some sort of king, it would be better. Maybe. Probably.Exactly. The number one cause of creationists are scientistic elitists.
[QUOTE="links136"]because evolution takes logic, creationism doesn't.Theokhoth
^Statements like this are why.
Seriously, how can you be surprised that people deny evolution when people lord it over their heads? People don't explain evolution to creationists; they force-feed it into their throats and then mock them when they spit it back up. Such holier-than-thou elitism would turn anybody away from anything. I know I wouldn't like the idea of evolution if its proponents did nothing but harass me every way I went.
And no, they cannot "teach it to themselves" and they do not "have biology cIasses to kindly explain it to them;" in most cases a creationist is in a creationist school with creationist teachers and creationist biology cIasses, and what are they going to learn from these teachers? In addition, the fact that they have access to kindness is no excuse for incivility.
Perhaps if people would quit citing the flying spaghetti monster whenever the see a creationist and be a little mature in their dealings with creationists, there would be fewer creationists? Just a thought.Â
You make an excellent point. There are people out there who are very arrogant and act very elitist just because they have an understanding of something that a substantial amount of people don't, and that arrogance turns these people off the same way someone who claims that their religion is the truth and tries to bash their religion over the head of, say, an atheist.Pretty much what he said... I knew a guy who said "They haven't really proved it, yet." when I asked if he accepts the theory of evolution... and he isn't very religious.It is either the uninformed or those who willfully deny evolution who don't believe in evolution.
Due to the vast amount of evidence in favor of evolution, anybody with a logical mindset would accept it and only those who are religious fanatics and/or illiterate on the subject would deny it otherwise. Unless you have solid evidence that proves that evolution is false, there really is no debate to question the theory's validity.
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[QUOTE="shoeman12"]because they would rather believe a book written thousands of years ago than trust science.battlefront23Umm... WTH? This is about evolution, not religion bashing... that's a valid reason why people deny evolution (even if i did add in my opinion)
The Bible isn't a science book... :|Okay, pardon my generalization, but the people who don't believe in evolution are almost always religious...and the alternative is coming from a book that was written thousands of years ago and has no scientific basis whatsoever.Â
Everyone can believe what they want, but evolution is the closest to the truth, its not perfect but its the best humanity has at the moment.
M1MyRifle
Exactly. The number one cause of creationists are scientistic elitists.TheokhothThat or they've been taught something else that they are told is 100% true, even if there's no evidence for it. Really, there are a bunch of factors, though one huge reason I've seen that Creationists challenge the theory is because all scientists are elitists or something like that... which is bs.
Exactly. The number one cause of creationists are scientistic elitists.Theokhoth
Just to be fair, the exact same could be said about creationists influencing people to become scientific elitists.
But hey, we're both pulling statistics out of our asses, but that's the fun of debate threads! :P
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Exactly. The number one cause of creationists are scientistic elitists.zakkroThat or they've been taught something else that they are told is 100% true, even if there's no evidence for it. Really, there are a bunch of factors, though one huge reason I've seen that Creationists challenge the theory is because all scientists are elitists or something like that... which is bs. Which is stupid as hell for a reason.. You are basically denieing a possibility of truth because you don't like the person who brought it forward. That isn't logical and its immature at best.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Exactly. The number one cause of creationists are scientistic elitists.zakkroThat or they've been taught something else that they are told is 100% true, even if there's no evidence for it. Really, there are a bunch of factors, though one huge reason I've seen that Creationists challenge the theory is because all scientists are elitists or something like that... which is bs.
I've honestly never heard that one. Most creationists I know cite scientists to prove their point; other creationists who earned their degrees in whatever field, and so for them to state that all scientists are against them is ludicrous, even from their perspective.
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