Why do some people still deny evolution?

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Exactly. The number one cause of creationists are scientistic elitists.sSubZerOo

When person after person after person brings forward the same jerk method after the same jerk method after the same jerk method of explaining the same idea, it is only natural for someone to be turned off by the idea, even if it is true. It's not stupid; it's the same case of negative association anyone has in a similar experience.

I find it funny that people assume that Religion is a cause. I'm pretty sure the last leader of the largest christian denomination. Pope JP2, said evolution is an acceptable theory.. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Exactly. The number one cause of creationists are scientistic elitists.Theokhoth

I've honestly never heard that one. Most creationists I know cite scientists to prove their point; other creationists who earned their degrees in whatever field, and so for them to state that all scientists are against them is ludicrous, even from their perspective.

Because people have right to believe in what they want believe in. Knowledge is free, its also optional.greenprince

I would find it most logical to at least know the opposite beliefs of another person before denying whether it's true or not, however.

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[QUOTE="zakkro"] That or they've been taught something else that they are told is 100% true, even if there's no evidence for it. Really, there are a bunch of factors, though one huge reason I've seen that Creationists challenge the theory is because all scientists are elitists or something like that... which is bs. zakkro

I've honestly never heard that one. Most creationists I know cite scientists to prove their point; other creationists who earned their degrees in whatever field, and so for them to state that all scientists are against them is ludicrous, even from their perspective.

Oh.

That one I've heard. Normally I cite Christian scientists like Ken Miller who are also biologists or at least know something about the theory. Creationists are more open to other Christians' opinions as they can identify with them somewhat since they're a part of the same group.

However, this doesn't go for creationists who think evolution = atheism. If a creationist ever claims that, then it is very, very unlikely that he could ever be convinced otherwise by anybody that he doesn't personally know or care about.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zakkro"] That or they've been taught something else that they are told is 100% true, even if there's no evidence for it. Really, there are a bunch of factors, though one huge reason I've seen that Creationists challenge the theory is because all scientists are elitists or something like that... which is bs. Theokhoth

When person after person after person brings forward the same jerk method after the same jerk method after the same jerk method of explaining the same idea, it is only natural for someone to be turned off by the idea, even if it is true. It's not stupid; it's the same case of negative association anyone has in a similar experience.

Firstly your stereotyping, not every scientist is a "elitiest jerk".. Secondly a person does not to have people explain it to them in conversation, there are plenty of books that are professionally objective and unbias, perhapes you should read some.. In the end people that don't understand evolution in the most basic manners but still feels they can take part in a discussion about evolution, are ignorant.

That one I've heard. Normally I cite Christian scientists like Ken Miller who are also biologists or at least know something about the theory. Creationists are more open to other Christians' opinions as they can identify with them somewhat since they're a part of the same group.However, this doesn't go for creationists who think evolution = atheism. If a creationist ever claims that, then it is very, very unlikely that he could ever be convinced otherwise by anybody that he doesn't personally know or care about. Theokhoth

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Which is stupid as hell for a reason.. You are basically denieing a possibility of truth because you don't like the person who brought it forward. That isn't logical and its immature at best.sSubZerOo

When person after person after person brings forward the same jerk method after the same jerk method after the same jerk method of explaining the same idea, it is only natural for someone to be turned off by the idea, even if it is true. It's not stupid; it's the same case of negative association anyone has in a similar experience.

Firstly your stereotyping, not every scientist is a "elitiest jerk".

1. I'm not talking about scientists. Not everyone has the pleasure of meeting a scientist in his life. I'm talking about the people who hold much more influence: the regular people who we see and speak to every single day of our lives.

2. I didn't claim all scientists are elitist jerks.

. Secondly a person does not to have people explain it to them in conversation, there are plenty of books that are professionally objective and unbias,

Already gone through this. A person cannot self-teach himself everything, and if he were to try then the creationist would likely look up other books refuting the books he has, and then what? He's left to his personal opinion, and since he already has a personal opinion in the first place, it will turn out to be a creationist opinion. There is no better way to teach than through civil, human interaction; that is a proven fact.

perhapes you should read some..

Don't insult my reading when you see claims in my post that I never made.

In the end people that don't understand evolution in the most basic manners but still feels they can take part in a discussion about evolution, are ignorant.

And you prove my point. You will never help the situation, because your snobbish attitude will only serve to turn any creationist you speak to off to the ideas you present. You can only hinder your own cause, and that makes you just as ignorant as anyone else I've seen.

[QUOTE="greenprince"]Because people have right to believe in what they want to believe in. Knowledge is free, its also optional.-Jiggles-

I would find it most logical to at least know the opposite beliefs of another person before denying whether it's true or not, however.

I don't understand it, there's overwhelming evidence for it, possibly more evidence than any other scientific theory, yet people still deny it, why is this?Thanatos1337

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

When person after person after person brings forward the same jerk method after the same jerk method after the same jerk method of explaining the same idea, it is only natural for someone to be turned off by the idea, even if it is true. It's not stupid; it's the same case of negative association anyone has in a similar experience.

Theokhoth

Firstly your stereotyping, not every scientist is a "elitiest jerk".

1. I'm not talking about scientists. Not everyone has the pleasure of meeting a scientist in his life. I'm talking about the people who hold much more influence: the regular people who we see and speak to every single day of our lives.

2. I didn't claim all scientists are elitist jerks.

. Secondly a person does not to have people explain it to them in conversation, there are plenty of books that are professionally objective and unbias,

Already gone through this. A person cannot self-teach himself everything, and if he were to try then the creationist would likely look up other books refuting the books he has, and then what? He's left to his personal opinion, and since he already has a personal opinion in the first place, it will turn out to be a creationist opinion. There is no better way to teach than through civil, human interaction; that is a proven fact.

perhapes you should read some..

Don't insult my reading when you see claims in my post that I never made.

In the end people that don't understand evolution in the most basic manners but still feels they can take part in a discussion about evolution, are ignorant.

And you prove my point. You will never help the situation, because your snobbish attitude will only serve to turn any creationist you speak to off to the ideas you present. You can only hinder your own cause, and that makes you just as ignorant as anyone else I've seen.

How is it a hinder of to "my cause" when I say that people who feel that they have something to add about evolution but has absolutely no clue about it as ignorant? They are free to ask, what I mean adding to a conversation is sending baseless opinions that have no merit and are based upon ignorance of one or more points.. For instance why should one listen to a person defending capitalism against socialism if they don't have a single clue what one of them are? Snobish attitude? I am merely pointing out how ridiculous that point is that the reason why evolution isn't taken seriously by people was because people were mean to them.. Not only is that a STEREOTYPE YET AGAIN, but it is completely baseless.. And YES to understand the basics of evolution is quite simple and there are materials that are dumbed down for really ANY one to understand it. So yeah keep on going with your banter claiming I am elitiest when I am not acting like that what so ever. Merely saying if you are going to argue logicall about a argument know both points of view.

And I am sorry I ddi not mean to insult you its just awfully frustrating when your point is based on stereotypes, and illogical reasons for disbelief.

[QUOTE="Thanatos1337"]I don't understand it, there's overwhelming evidence for it, possibly more evidence than any other scientific theory, yet people still deny it, why is this?Frattracide

Because they simply do not understand it/do not want to understand.

When I asked my Christian friend why she does not accept the current theory of evolution as the best explanation of life's adaption on earth, she replied with, "I don't understand how something can come from nothing. God has to be there."

 

How is it a hinder of to "my cause" when I say that people who feel that they have something to add about evolution but has absolutely no clue about it as ignorant?

Are you giving them a clue? Are you enlightening them to the truth of the matter, as opposed to just calling out insults? Are you not aware that the fact that they have no clue may not actually be their fault?

And I am sorry I ddi not mean to insult you its just awfully frustrating when your point is based on stereotypes, and illogical reasons for disbelief.

I haven't used a single stereotype and I'm not arguing for disbelief. 

sSubZerOo

Because they simply do not understand it/do not want to understand.

When I asked my Christian friend why she does not accept the current theory of evolution as the best explanation of life's adaption on earth, she replied with, "I don't understand how something can come from nothing. God has to be there."

MindFreeze

What happened next?

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Because they simply do not understand it/do not want to understand.

When I asked my Christian friend why she does not accept the current theory of evolution as the best explanation of life's adaption on earth, she replied with, "I don't understand how something can come from nothing. God has to be there."

Theokhoth

What happened next?

Because it's a only a theory.  It has yet to be prooven.  

Because it's a only a theory.  It has yet to be prooven.  

Dark_Knight6

Showing that you do not understand what a scientific theory is. Next?

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How is it a hinder of to "my cause" when I say that people who feel that they have something to add about evolution but has absolutely no clue about it as ignorant?

Are you giving them a clue? Are you enlightening them to the truth of the matter, as opposed to just calling out insults? Are you not aware that the fact that they have no clue may not actually be their fault?

And I am sorry I ddi not mean to insult you its just awfully frustrating when your point is based on stereotypes, and illogical reasons for disbelief.

I haven't used a single stereotype and I'm not arguing for disbelief.

Theokhoth

Of course.. Are you seriously comparing this to the arguments we have in offtopic and not real discussion? If they had no clue they would ask.. Thats all.. When I see people saying "Lol do you seriously think humans came from monkeys?" When some one is argueing about the views a of two places should we take seriously a person who automatically decides one view but doesn't get the other view and berates it? Not at all. It only gets testy in ARGUMENTS, not actual real debates and discussions specially when it comes to questions..If you asked what evolution was on this board, very unbias objective question.. You would not get any wise cracks about religion or creationism, just a simple cut and dry explaition of evolution.

Yeah you ahve used a stereotype, you are saying that eveyr one who one who defends evolution are snobbish.. No matter how you spin this or what you think, your response did not differenciate a group of people you lumped them all together. And yes you are, you are trying to justify the reason why people don't believe in evolution is because "people are snobbish or elitest when it talks abou tit". Which is not the case what so ever, only when it comes to a heated argument of the opposite sides, and both sides can be just as elitiest or "enlightened".

[QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Thanatos1337"]I don't understand it, there's overwhelming evidence for it, possibly more evidence than any other scientific theory, yet people still deny it, why is this?sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Frattracide"] Because they feel it is incompatible with their religion.blackngold29

IS this saying that all religious people believe in creationism? Of course not, but many who disbelieve evolution either A) include evolution with a divine being AKA intelligent design.. Or B) Creationist, god created the cosmos, heaven and earth etc etc.. Infact the largest "scientific" objective towards evolution has been with ithe use of intelligent design which was specifically the inclusion of a divine being.

Showing that you do not understand what a scientific theory is. Next?

MindFreeze

I do understand what a scientific theory is.  And there is no absolute proof of evolution. 

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Showing that you do not understand what a scientific theory is. Next?

Dark_Knight6

I do understand what a scientific theory is.  And there is no absolute proof of evolution. 

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"]

Showing that you do not understand what a scientific theory is. Next?

Dark_Knight6

I do understand what a scientific theory is.  And there is no absolute proof of evolution. 

Are there any better alternatives to the Theory of Evolution?  O_o

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Which is most likely the number one reason in the United States why people don't accept evolution.sSubZerOo

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Showing that you do not understand what a scientific theory is. Next?

Dark_Knight6

I do understand what a scientific theory is. And there is no absolute proof of evolution.

I don't know. I don't care.

Why do you care? What's the point? In 300 years there will still be debates about this.

Are there any better alternatives to the Theory of Evolution?  O_o

Shad0ki11

I personally lean more towards that then anything else.  All I did was say why some people deny it, I guess that was misinterpreted as me believing it to not be true.  

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] lol, based on what? Are you just making that up or do you have any proof whatsoever?blackngold29

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Are there any better alternatives to the Theory of Evolution?  O_o

Dark_Knight6

I personally lean more towards that then anything else.  All I did was say why some people deny it, I guess that was misinterpreted as me believing it to not be true.  

Nevermind then. I probably misinterpreted it then. My bad. 

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Are there any better alternatives to the Theory of Evolution?  O_o

Dark_Knight6

I personally lean more towards that then anything else.  All I did was say why some people deny it, I guess that was misinterpreted as me believing it to not be true.  

Either way it's not a good argument... :Pzakkro

True.  That's just the one I hear the most from people.   

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

Are there any better alternatives to the Theory of Evolution?  O_o

Dark_Knight6

I personally lean more towards that then anything else.  All I did was say why some people deny it, I guess that was misinterpreted as me believing it to not be true.  

And this is what I'm talking about. People act like jerks the minute they see someone say something they construe as negative about evolution, regardless of whether or not it was a simple and common mistake. Did anybody educate DK on what a scientific theory is, or did people just go "Well, you don't know anything."?

This wasn't a heated argument, now was it?

I believe in it yes.. But don't say there is "overwhelming evidence" because there isn't that much. There are still many unexplained gaps and people use those to fuel their disbelief of it.. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

Are there any better alternatives to the Theory of Evolution?  O_o

Theokhoth

I personally lean more towards that then anything else.  All I did was say why some people deny it, I guess that was misinterpreted as me believing it to not be true.  

And this is what I'm talking about. People act like jerks the minute they see someone say something they construe as negative about evolution, regardless of whether or not it was a simple and common mistake. Did anybody educate DK on what a scientific theory is, or did people just go "Well, you don't know anything."?

This wasn't a heated argument, now was it?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

 

I personally lean more towards that then anything else.  All I did was say why some people deny it, I guess that was misinterpreted as me believing it to not be true.  

zakkro

And this is what I'm talking about. People act like jerks the minute they see someone say something they construe as negative about evolution, regardless of whether or not it was a simple and common mistake. Did anybody educate DK on what a scientific theory is, or did people just go "Well, you don't know anything."?

This wasn't a heated argument, now was it?

And that was good. I'm referring to the other response to his post, that just dismissed him with the wave of a hand. That kind of attitude pisses me off.

And this is what I'm talking about. People act like jerks the minute they see someone say something they construe as negative about evolution, regardless of whether or not it was a simple and common mistake. Did anybody educate DK on what a scientific theory is, or did people just go "Well, you don't know anything."?

This wasn't a heated argument, now was it?

Theokhoth

Most of the replies just kind of went down the "you don't know anything" road, actually.   

And that was good. I'm referring to the other response to his post, that just dismissed him with the wave of a hand. That kind of attitude pisses me off. Theokhoth

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And this is what I'm talking about. People act like jerks the minute they see someone say something they construe as negative about evolution, regardless of whether or not it was a simple and common mistake. Did anybody educate DK on what a scientific theory is, or did people just go "Well, you don't know anything."?

This wasn't a heated argument, now was it?

Dark_Knight6

Most of the replies just kind of went down the "you don't know anything" road, actually.   

And that demonstrates my point. You didn't jump in an argument.

Because it's boring, and less fantastical.123625