Why do some people still deny evolution?

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Evolution is a scientific theory, making it overwhelmingly more legitimate and credible than creationism or intelligent design.-Sun_Tzu-

yeah well those are theories too, nothing is hard fact...

 a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action

reguardless of ones personal opinion  none of these things:evolution, creationism or intelligent design are cold stone fact and neither should be treated as such until it is proven. Therefore people should have the right to believe what they choose until there is cold stone evidence that one answer is truely the right answer. 

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

yeah well those are theories too, nothing is hard fact...

Main Entry:the·o·ry Pronunciation: ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē Function:noun Inflected Form(s):pluralthe·o·riesEtymology:Late Latin theoria, from Greek theōria, from theōreinDate:1592

a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action

reguardless of ones personal opinion none of these things:evolution, creationism or intelligent design are cold stone fact and neither should be treated as such until it is proven. Therefore people should have the right to believe what they choose until there is cold stone evidence that one answer is truely the right answer.

sparkypants

A scientific theory is a hypothesis that is supported by scientific facts, as known as evidence.

Evolution is a scientific theory.

Therefore, evolution is supported by scientific facts--a whole crapload of them.

No, scientific theories are not the colloquial use of the word theory. A scientific theory is a set explanation derived from a set of facts... zakkro

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

 

yeah well those are theories too, nothing is hard fact...

Main Entry:the·o·ry Pronunciation: ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē Function:noun Inflected Form(s):pluralthe·o·riesEtymology:Late Latin theoria, from Greek theōria, from theōreinDate:1592

 a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action

reguardless of ones personal opinion  none of these things:evolution, creationism or intelligent design are cold stone fact and neither should be treated as such until it is proven. Therefore people should have the right to believe what they choose until there is cold stone evidence that one answer is truely the right answer. 

sparkypants

[QUOTE="zakkro"]No, scientific theories are not the colloquial use of the word theory. A scientific theory is a set explanation derived from a set of facts... sparkypants

A scientific theory is not just a theory, and it is just not a title, a tremendous amount of facts and evidence have to be provided before a hypothesis can be made into a scientific theory. Creationism is just a hypothesis (and not very good hypothesis at that, considering no evidence can provide it with credibility and it has no testability), not a theory. To suggest that evolution is as credible as creationism and intelligent design would be just not true. -Sun_Tzu-

but my point still stands because they arent considered FACT until proven so, not even in the scientific community. However unlike creationism, evolution is more excepted because so far there are signs(in the scientific community) that point to being the right answer, Darwin for example. but these aren't considered actual fact until someone can lay down some hard evidence. they are just all we have to go on at the moment.sparkypants

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] A scientific theory is not just a theory, and it is just not a title, a tremendous amount of facts and evidence have to be provided before a hypothesis can be made into a scientific theory. Creationism is just a hypothesis (and not very good hypothesis at that, considering no evidence can provide it with credibility and it has no testability), not a theory. To suggest that evolution is as credible as creationism and intelligent design would be just not true. sparkypants

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] A scientific theory is not just a theory, and it is just not a title, a tremendous amount of facts and evidence have to be provided before a hypothesis can be made into a scientific theory. Creationism is just a hypothesis (and not very good hypothesis at that, considering no evidence can provide it with credibility and it has no testability), not a theory. To suggest that evolution is as credible as creationism and intelligent design would be just not true. sparkypants

Because there is no scientific evidence in favor of creationism, where-as evolution has much evidence backing it up.

its a theory thats whyfreshgman

*sigh*

Why do I even bother?

its a theory thats whyfreshgman

its a theory thats whyfreshgman

[QUOTE="freshgman"]its a theory thats whyfoxhound_fox

This Creationism fever seems more like an American thing, the religious Americans that is

Here, there are many creationist as there are victims of the guillotine

Thank God for that

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="freshgman"]its a theory thats why_______1_______

[QUOTE="_______1_______"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
*facepalm*

Why do so many people still cling to this? A "scientific theory," not the colloquial "theory" as used in prose literature that means "an idea or guess," is a basic understanding and explanation of a set of observable and demonstrable facts as they exist in the natural world. Without facts in science, a theory remains a "hypothesis," which in science is "a guess."

Evolution is an observable fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon_eating_bacteria Those bacteria have evolved the ability to consume an artificial fibre created in the 1950's. Human beings originally weren't able to consume dairy products... and the gene still pervades today in the form of lactose intolerance.

Do you actually need more things to show you that evolution is fact and is the major function in the growth and multiplication of organic life?zakkro

Why do I not believe in evolution? I'm in denial and am ignorant according to some. To be honest, I don't care whether it's true or not, I just haven't been convinced that it is true. Sure I believe species can adapt to their environment, I just question whether one species can evolve into another species over many generations. There is much less evidence for that happening and what evidence there is are basic assumptions which could be wrong. Yes, I am indeed a Creationist but that isn't the reason I doubt evolution when it comes to one species evolving into another species.mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why do I not believe in evolution? I'm in denial and am ignorant according to some. To be honest, I don't care whether it's true or not, I just haven't been convinced that it is true. Sure I believe species can adapt to their environment, I just question whether one species can evolve into another species over many generations. There is much less evidence for that happening and what evidence there is are basic assumptions which could be wrong. Yes, I am indeed a Creationist but that isn't the reason I doubt evolution when it comes to one species evolving into another species.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why do I not believe in evolution? I'm in denial and am ignorant according to some. To be honest, I don't care whether it's true or not, I just haven't been convinced that it is true. Sure I believe species can adapt to their environment, I just question whether one species can evolve into another species over many generations. There is much less evidence for that happening and what evidence there is are basic assumptions which could be wrong. Yes, I am indeed a Creationist but that isn't the reason I doubt evolution when it comes to one species evolving into another species.-Sun_Tzu-

Why would a creator need to make each animal radically different than another?  Just because they have simularities does not mean they have the same ancestor. 

Also, I do not deny there may have been a use for them at some point in time.  In otherwords, "de-evolution" would have happened.  It would be getting more simple, not complex.

Btw, I'm playing devil's advocate more than anything.  I'm just giving some arguments from "the other side."

Laziness?:roll:

Also, because they think to agree with evolution is to not believe in god's words.

Moreover, some people think what is the use of studying evolution if the scriptures hold all the answers of life and it's creation. 

Well I know why people ackknowledge evolution (there's no faith or belief for evolution, only acceptence of a fact):

- The hundreds of genomes sequenced

- The millions of fossils collected

- The biogeographic and atanomical data combined with thousands of evolutionary experiments conducted in the lab

-  The dozens od examples of speciation (macro evolution) observed in nature.

- The millions of geologic samples collected from around the world.

- The myriad of chemical and physical experiments conducted over the last century.

These have lead scientists to solid conclusions,and evolution now enjoys the same occupation, that of a scientific theory, as gravity, atoms, cells and relativity.

And to show both sides of the argument, why people believe in creationism:

-The bible says so

Good stuff, eh? And even this is debated in it's own religion, many christians believe the bible to merely be a collection of stories, meant to help teach morality, and not to be taken literally

Because they cling so much to their religion, and anything that goes against that is automatically wrong. Why else do we have things like Proposition 8 in California?k_smoove

But couldnt the same be said for science? Anything that goes against it (the afterlife for example) is automatically wrong although it may encompass fields not yet explored in science. 

Prop 8... thats just dumb.. california has some serious **** to work out.

Anyway what I am trying to get across is that evolution may seem just as far fetched to some people as god does to you. At least with evolution creationists arent interfering with other peoples rights if they deny it.

[QUOTE="k_smoove"]Because they cling so much to their religion, and anything that goes against that is automatically wrong. Why else do we have things like Proposition 8 in California?Zoomin

But couldnt the same be said for science? Anything that goes against it (the afterlife for example) is automatically wrong although it may encompass fields not yet explored in science. 

Prop 8... thats just dumb.. california has some serious **** to work out.

Anyway what I am trying to get across is that evolution may seem just as far fetched to some people as god does to you. At least with evolution creationists arent interfering with other peoples rights if they deny it.

[QUOTE="k_smoove"]Because they cling so much to their religion, and anything that goes against that is automatically wrong. Why else do we have things like Proposition 8 in California?Zoomin

But couldnt the same be said for science? Anything that goes against it (the afterlife for example) is automatically wrong although it may encompass fields not yet explored in science. 

Prop 8... thats just dumb.. california has some serious **** to work out.

Anyway what I am trying to get across is that evolution may seem just as far fetched to some people as god does to you. At least with evolution creationists arent interfering with other peoples rights if they deny it.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why do I not believe in evolution? I'm in denial and am ignorant according to some. To be honest, I don't care whether it's true or not, I just haven't been convinced that it is true. Sure I believe species can adapt to their environment, I just question whether one species can evolve into another species over many generations. There is much less evidence for that happening and what evidence there is are basic assumptions which could be wrong. Yes, I am indeed a Creationist but that isn't the reason I doubt evolution when it comes to one species evolving into another species.mindstorm

Why would a creator need to make each animal radically different than another? Just because they have simularities does not mean they have the same ancestor.

Also, I do not deny there may have been a use for them at some point in time. In otherwords, "de-evolution" would have happened. It would be getting more simple, not complex.

Btw, I'm playing devil's advocate more than anything. I'm just giving some arguments from "the other side."

I don't get how that disproves evolution 

I don't get how that disproves evolution 

links136

Well I know why people ackknowledge evolution (there's no faith or belief for evolution, only acceptence of a fact):

 

- The hundreds of genomes sequenced

- The millions of fossils collected

- The biogeographic and atanomical data combined with thousands of evolutionary experiments conducted in the lab

-  The dozens od examples of speciation (macro evolution) observed in nature.

- The millions of geologic samples collected from around the world.

- The myriad of chemical and physical experiments conducted over the last century.

These have lead scientists to solid conclusions,and evolution now enjoys the same occupation, that of a scientific theory, as gravity, atoms, cells and relativity.

 

And to show both sides of the argument, why people believe in creationism:

-The bible says so

 

Good stuff, eh? And even this is debated in it's own religion, many christians believe the bible to merely be a collection of stories, meant to help teach morality, and not to be taken literally

 

ithilgore2006

Not all people believe evolution to not be true because of the Bible.  I'm not claiming to be one of them, nor am I claiming there is no possibility of evolution being true.

Btw, a person isn't a follower of Christ if they do not believe he is who he says he is.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why do I not believe in evolution? I'm in denial and am ignorant according to some. To be honest, I don't care whether it's true or not, I just haven't been convinced that it is true. Sure I believe species can adapt to their environment, I just question whether one species can evolve into another species over many generations. There is much less evidence for that happening and what evidence there is are basic assumptions which could be wrong. Yes, I am indeed a Creationist but that isn't the reason I doubt evolution when it comes to one species evolving into another species.mindstorm

Why would a creator need to make each animal radically different than another?  Just because they have simularities does not mean they have the same ancestor. 

Also, I do not deny there may have been a use for them at some point in time.  In otherwords, "de-evolution" would have happened.  It would be getting more simple, not complex.

Btw, I'm playing devil's advocate more than anything.  I'm just giving some arguments from "the other side."

[QUOTE="links136"]

I don't get how that disproves evolution 

mindstorm

Well I know why people ackknowledge evolution (there's no faith or belief for evolution, only acceptence of a fact):

 

- The hundreds of genomes sequenced

- The millions of fossils collected

- The biogeographic and atanomical data combined with thousands of evolutionary experiments conducted in the lab

-  The dozens od examples of speciation (macro evolution) observed in nature.

- The millions of geologic samples collected from around the world.

- The myriad of chemical and physical experiments conducted over the last century.

These have lead scientists to solid conclusions,and evolution now enjoys the same occupation, that of a scientific theory, as gravity, atoms, cells and relativity.

 

And to show both sides of the argument, why people believe in creationism:

-The bible says so

 

Good stuff, eh? And even this is debated in it's own religion, many christians believe the bible to merely be a collection of stories, meant to help teach morality, and not to be taken literally

 

ithilgore2006

Not all people believe evolution to not be true because of the Bible.  I'm not claiming to be one of them, nor am I claiming there is no possibility of evolution being true.

Btw, a person isn't a follower of Christ if they do not believe he is who he says he is.

I must ask, exactly how much evidence do you need? That's mountains right there, millions of pieces of empirical evidence. What do you need to actually convince you, because the massive amount they've found so far has convinced the majority of the world, including the smartest minds in the world, and 99% of the world's scientists. What is it you don't find convincing about it?ithilgore2006

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]I must ask, exactly how much evidence do you need? That's mountains right there, millions of pieces of empirical evidence. What do you need to actually convince you, because the massive amount they've found so far has convinced the majority of the world, including the smartest minds in the world, and 99% of the world's scientists. What is it you don't find convincing about it?foxhound_fox

Fixed for you.

[QUOTE="links136"]because evolution takes logic, creationism doesn't.Theokhoth

^Statements like this are why.

Seriously, how can you be surprised that people deny evolution when people lord it over their heads? People don't explain evolution to creationists; they force-feed it into their throats and then mock them when they spit it back up. Such holier-than-thou elitism would turn anybody away from anything. I know I wouldn't like the idea of evolution if its proponents did nothing but harass me every way I went.

And no, they cannot "teach it to themselves" and they do not "have biology cIasses to kindly explain it to them;" in most cases a creationist is in a creationist school with creationist teachers and creationist biology cIasses, and what are they going to learn from these teachers? In addition, the fact that they have access to kindness is no excuse for incivility.

Finally, once they do know of evolution, why the hell are they required to accept it? Unless they want to be physicians, WHO CARES what they believe?

Perhaps if people would quit citing the flying spaghetti monster whenever they see a creationist and be a little mature in their dealings with creationists, there would be fewer creationists? Just a thought.

It's a bit off topic, but do you believe in the theory of evolution? Just curious

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]I must ask, exactly how much evidence do you need? That's mountains right there, millions of pieces of empirical evidence. What do you need to actually convince you, because the massive amount they've found so far has convinced the majority of the world, including the smartest minds in the world, and 99% of the world's scientists. What is it you don't find convincing about it?-Jiggles-

Fixed for you.

[QUOTE="freshgman"]its a theory thats why-Jiggles-

*sigh*

Why do I even bother?

But it is a theory, I have already explained this in a similar thread.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="freshgman"]its a theory thats whyDark-Sithious

*sigh*

Why do I even bother?

But it is a theory, I have already explained this in a similar thread.

And I, and many others, have already explained the difference between a theory and a scientific theory. Theories are simple guesses that can--or cannot--be backed by credible sources, where-as scientific theories are hypotheses that are backed up by evidence through experiments and peer reviews. Evolution is not a simple theory; it is a legitimate hypothesis that is backed up by evidence compiled by the scientific community.

Why so many threads about htis. I'd say it's a small minority of individuals that don't believe in evolution. It's not really that big of a deal now is it?LJS9502_basic

I don't understand it, there's overwhelming evidence for it, possibly more evidence than any other scientific theory, yet people still deny it, why is this?Thanatos1337

hey buddy try peanut butter, mmmkay

Why so many threads about htis. I'd say it's a small minority of individuals that don't believe in evolution. It's not really that big of a deal now is it?LJS9502_basic

I'm not trying to disprove evolution... I simply do not believe there is enough evidence to prove it. There is a difference believe it or not. mindstorm

Hello there. :)

You seem like a nice young man, however what you say here has confused me a bit. I don't understand why it is you would not believe in evolution, and you reason being there is not enough evidence to prove it, while at the same time, you will believe in an idea such as God with no evidence whatsoever?

It's like you are trying to present yourself as one of sound mind, by disregarding evoultion due to lack of substantial evidence, but then, perhaps unwisely, stake claim in an idea about a possible higher power as being real, that really blows the doors off your claimed state of being logical. Just thought I would notify you about that.

Because I must tell you, there is no God, because everything is one. But you probably knew that already. :)

Why so many threads about htis. I'd say it's a small minority of individuals that don't believe in evolution. It's not really that big of a deal now is it?LJS9502_basic

And then there is always this: