Why does America care about countries being a islamic state?

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#201 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Palax"]Actually the topic of the thread, Drcargen, is about Islamic states and specifically AMERICA'S criticism of such.Soulkiller225

America does not like the violent histories of Islamic theocracies.

Better?

You I have seen alot oy your posts. You just hate Muslims.

No one here hates Muslims.

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[QUOTE="Soulkiller225"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Palax"]Actually the topic of the thread, Drcargen, is about Islamic states and specifically AMERICA'S criticism of such.The_Ish

America does not like the violent histories of Islamic theocracies.

Better?

You I have seen alot oy your posts. You just hate Muslims.

No one here hates Muslims.

Dont speak for me.

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[QUOTE="Soulkiller225"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Palax"]Actually the topic of the thread, Drcargen, is about Islamic states and specifically AMERICA'S criticism of such.The_Ish

America does not like the violent histories of Islamic theocracies.

Better?

You I have seen alot oy your posts. You just hate Muslims.

No one here hates Muslims.

You must be blind then. You know on a poll 37 % of American people hate muslims. SO yea people do hate them.

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#204 Rgt15
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If it wasnt for Muslims ... we would still be in the dark ages ..lol
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#205 The_Ish
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You must be blind then. You know on a poll 37 % of American people hate muslims. SO yea people do hate them.

Soulkiller225

I have never heard of that, and I was talking about the thread. No one here (in this thread) but videodogg hates Muslims, and I've yet to meet someone in the US who actually hates Muslims.

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#206 The_Ish
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Dont speak for me.

Videodogg

You hate Muslims? Very foolish.

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#207 Soulkiller225
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Soulkiller225"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Palax"]Actually the topic of the thread, Drcargen, is about Islamic states and specifically AMERICA'S criticism of such.Videodogg

America does not like the violent histories of Islamic theocracies.

Better?

You I have seen alot oy your posts. You just hate Muslims.

No one here hates Muslims.

Dont speak for me.

I don't like videodogg either.

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#208 The_Ish
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If it wasnt for Muslims ... we would still be in the dark ages ..lolRgt15

Not really...the Muslims did not shape Europe. The catalyst that launched Europe from it's Medieval ages was the Bubonic Plague. It weakened the people's faith in the Catholic Church - and the Feudal system.

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#209 Rgt15
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Quite rightly but where were the EU leaders at that time ?
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#210 Videodogg
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[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Dont speak for me.

The_Ish

You hate Muslims? Very foolish.

Why is that? They are at their very nature and core beliefs my enemy.

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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Dont speak for me.

Videodogg

You hate Muslims? Very foolish.

Why is that? They are at their very nature and core beliefs my enemy.

why would a person from my damily be your enemy? Considering they're all Muslims...

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#212 Videodogg
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[QUOTE="Videodogg"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Dont speak for me.

sentencedogu

You hate Muslims? Very foolish.

Why is that? They are at their very nature and core beliefs my enemy.

why would a person from my damily be your enemy? Considering they're all Muslims...

Watch a little movie called FITNA and that will explain how and why i feel the way i do.

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Videodogg

I really really pity you an hope you get God into your heart ..:(

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[QUOTE="sentencedogu"][QUOTE="Videodogg"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Dont speak for me.

Videodogg

You hate Muslims? Very foolish.

Why is that? They are at their very nature and core beliefs my enemy.

why would a person from my damily be your enemy? Considering they're all Muslims...

Watch a little movie called FITNA and that will explain how and why i feel the way i do.

do you think that represents lifes of all Muslims? Because around me I haven't seen such things like in fitna...

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#215 The_Ish
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Watch a little movie called FITNA and that will explain how and why i feel the way i do.

Videodogg

So you're going to generalize based on one movie?

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#217 Videodogg
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[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Watch a little movie called FITNA and that will explain how and why i feel the way i do.

The_Ish

So you're going to generalize based on one movie?

Yes. I believe it to be very truthfull. This is a matter of life and death, or at the very least a way of life. I think the Islamiciszm of Europe is a great threat to the world.

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#218 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Watch a little movie called FITNA and that will explain how and why i feel the way i do.

Videodogg

So you're going to generalize based on one movie?

Yes. I believe it to be very truthfull. This is a matter of life and death, or at the very least a way of life. I think the Islamiciszm of Europe is a great threat to the world.

I have never met a Muslim in America who has wanted to "Islamicize" America. I would not know about Europe.

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Very clever of you to say "America" in your topic title and then "the US government" in your initial post.
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Yes. I believe it to be very truthfull. This is a matter of life and death, or at the very least a way of life. I think the Islamiciszm of Europe is a great threat to the world.

Videodogg

it's not 1100, fortunately, so I don't see your fears.

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[QUOTE="Rgt15"]If it wasnt for Muslims ... we would still be in the dark ages ..lolThe_Ish

Not really...the Muslims did not shape Europe. The catalyst that launched Europe from it's Medieval ages was the Bubonic Plague. It weakened the people's faith in the Catholic Church - and the Feudal system.

Yea they did, they pretty much shaped much if not all of the older world, without muslims contributions to sciences, government, philosophy, the word would have been a pitiful place.

Only the mongols can say that they had such an impact on the world as we know it today like the muslims(some europeans too).

Muslims caused the europeans to sail to the new world.

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#222 The_Ish
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Yea they did, they pretty much shaped much if not all of the older world, without muslims contributions to sciences, government, philosophy, the word would have been a pitiful place.

Only the mongols can say that they had such an impact on the world as we know it today like the muslims(some europeans too).

Muslims caused the europeans to sail to the new world.

Marth6781

Government was nothing special, it was a theocracy, like in Europe. Philosophy - you mean Muslim philosophy? Thats theological philosophy, not the kind Europe was interested in. They contributed to the sciences, mathematics, and arts, and less so to mathematics because many of their "discoveries" were actually Indian in origin.

What shaped Europe then were not Muslims. It was a greater sense of sovereignty after the Bubonic plague decimated Europe's population, and new advances in weaponry (none of them being Muslim, since gunpowder weapons were an invention of the Chinese) Europeans countries after that point were nothing like The Turks, Moors or the Ottomans. Saying otherwise is like ignoring European history altogether.

Muslims shaped Northern and Western Africa, the Middle East, Egypt and Spain. Not Europe.

And Muslims causing the Europeans to sail to the new world? Lol? Does the word Reconquista mean anything to you? Spain reconquered all it's lands from the Muslims by the time Christopher Columbus set sail to what he thought was going to be India. Go back to 8th grade history class.

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[QUOTE="Palax"]

I can't help it if your so silly it makes me LOL

The_Ish

Very classy response. Srsly.

this is a sig in the making

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#224 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"]

Yea they did, they pretty much shaped much if not all of the older world, without muslims contributions to sciences, government, philosophy, the word would have been a pitiful place.

Only the mongols can say that they had such an impact on the world as we know it today like the muslims(some europeans too).

Muslims caused the europeans to sail to the new world.

The_Ish

Government was nothing special, it was a theocracy, like in Europe. Philosophy - you mean Muslim philosophy? Thats theological philosophy, not the kind Europe was interested in. They contributed to the sciences, mathematics, and arts, and less so to mathematics because many of their "discoveries" were actually Indian in origin.

What shaped Europe then were not Muslims. It was a greater sense of sovereignty after the Bubonic plague decimated Europe's population, and new advances in weaponry (none of them being Muslim, since gunpowder weapons were an invention of the Chinese) Europeans countries after that point were nothing like The Turks, Moors or the Ottomans. Saying otherwise is like ignoring European history altogether.

Muslims shaped Northern and Western Africa, the Middle East, Egypt and Spain. Not Europe.

And Muslims causing the Europeans to sail to the new world? Lol? Does the word Reconquista mean anything to you? Spain reconquered all it's lands from the Muslims by the time Christopher Columbus set sail to what he thought was going to be India. Go back to 8th grade history class.

1. Go back to 8th grade history class, buddy im taking AP world history.

Colombus and others wanted a new route to the indies b/c the muslims/italians had a monopoly on trade in the mediterranean, meaning goods from asia had to go through the muslims/italians.

2. Actually the muslims only took the numbering system from India, they independentely advanced in the precursor's to chemistry, had advanced mathematics, and so on.

3. If you actually knew the governmental policies issued by muhammed and muslim socities like... SOCIAL SECURITY, yes the muslims created the first "real" social security systems.

learn ya history bra.

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#225 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Palax"]Actually the topic of the thread, Drcargen, is about Islamic states and specifically AMERICA'S criticism of such.Soulkiller225

America does not like the violent histories of Islamic theocracies.

Better?

You I have seen alot oy your posts. You just hate Muslims.

When have I ever implied that I so much as dislike Muslims?

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1. Go back to 8th grade history class, buddy im taking AP world history.

Whoa, and you remember so much!

Colombus and others wanted a new route to the indies b/c the muslims/italians had a monopoly on trade in the mediterranean, meaning goods from asia had to go through the muslims/italians.

They did not have a monopoly, they only made it more difficult for the Europeans to get to India. they could have gone around Africa, which they did for a while. Columbus only made the Europeans realize how large the New World was - since knowledge of the the New World was actually around the time of the Vikings.

2. Actually the muslims only took the numbering system from India, they independentely advanced in the precursor's to chemistry, had advanced mathematics, and so on.

They also took the idea of zero from India, as well as many algebraic formulas and algebra itself (it was refined and perfected by an Indian, not a Muslim - they just spread it).

3. If you actually knew the governmental policies issued by muhammed and muslim socities like... SOCIAL SECURITY, yes the muslims created the first "real" social security systems.

Actually, that honor belongs to the guilds of Medieval Europe. You know, those organizations that took care of their members, even the elderly.

Marth6781

Learn some history. :)

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#227 Dracargen
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Dont call barack obama black, its racist.

Marth6781

Are you kidding me?:|

So now it's racist to call black people "black". . . . .and you dodged the point.:roll:

Can I call these people black, then?

Oprah Winfrey

Halle Barry

Muhhamed Ali

Barbara Jordan

Michael Jordan

Matthew Henson

Daniel Hale Williams

Jamie Foxx

Morgan Freeman

Whoopi Goldberg

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Maya Angelou

James Baldwin

Alice Walker

Louis Armstrong

Michael Jackson (he was born black)

Tina Turner

George Forman

Carl Lewis

Tiger Woods

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Venus Williams

All of the above people were totally treated as second-cIass for their skin color.:roll:

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Anyone remember a time when the word Muslim or Middle east brought to mind things like: Sultans, Geniis, Magic Carpets, Magic Lamps, and Alladin.

Now all it brings to mind is masked guy with an AK-47 shooting it up into the air screaming JIHAD, and ALLAHU ACKBAR.

Sad when it only take a handful of morons to change how an entire people is viewed through the worlds eyes.

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#229 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"]

1. Go back to 8th grade history class, buddy im taking AP world history.

Whoa, and you remember so much!

Colombus and others wanted a new route to the indies b/c the muslims/italians had a monopoly on trade in the mediterranean, meaning goods from asia had to go through the muslims/italians.

They did not have a monopoly, they only made it more difficult for the Europeans to get to India.

2. Actually the muslims only took the numbering system from India, they independentely advanced in the precursor's to chemistry, had advanced mathematics, and so on.

They also took the idea of zero from India, as well as many algebraic formulas and algebra itself (it was refined and perfected by an Indian, not a Muslim - they just spread it).

3. If you actually knew the governmental policies issued by muhammed and muslim socities like... SOCIAL SECURITY, yes the muslims created the first "real" social security systems.

Actually, that honor belongs to the guilds of Medieval Europe.

The_Ish

1. Umm, yes the muslims and the italians had a monopoly on mediterranean trade.

2. Umm, no S*** they took the concept of zero from India, if they take the numbering system they take zero. Actually if you learn about muslim mathematics they created the decimal point, you know what read UP!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mathematics

Learn some history. :)

[edit] Mathematics

Main article: Islamic mathematics

Al-Khwarizmi, a pioneer of algebra and algorithms.Al-Khwarizmi, a pioneer of algebra and algorithms.

John J. O'Connor and Edmund F. Robertson wrote in the MacTutor History of Mathematics archive:

"Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Islamic mathematics. Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier."[108]

Al-Khwarizmi (780-850), from whose name the word algorithm derives, contributed significantly to algebra, which is named after his book, Kitab al-Jabr, the first book on elementary algebra.[109] He also introduced what is now known as Arabic numerals, which originally came from India, though Muslim mathematicians did make several refinements to the number system, such as the introduction of decimal point notation. Al-Kindi (801-873) was a pioneer in cryptanalysis and cryptology. He gave the first known recorded explanations of cryptanalysis and frequency analysis in A Manuscript on Deciphering Cryptographic Messages.[110][111]

The first known proof by mathematical induction appears in a book written by Al-Karaji around 1000 AD, who used it to prove the binomial theorem, Pascal's triangle, and the sum of integralcubes.[112] The historian of mathematics, F. Woepcke,[113] praised Al-Karaji for being "the first who introduced the theory of algebraiccalculus." Ibn al-Haytham was the first mathematician to derive the formula for the sum of the fourth powers, and using the method of induction, he developed a method for determining the general formula for the sum of any integral powers, which was fundamental to the development of integral calculus.[114] The 11th century poet-mathematician Omar Khayyám was the first to find general geometric solutions of cubic equations and laid the foundations for the development of analytic geometry, algebraic geometry and non-Euclidean geometry. Sharaf al-Din al-Tusi (1135-1213) found algebraic and numerical solutions to cubic equations and was the first to discover the derivative of cubic polynomials, an important result in differential calculus.[115]

Other achievements of Muslim mathematicians include the invention of spherical trigonometry,[116] the discovery of all the trigonometric functions besides sine and cosine, early inquiry which aided the development of analytic geometry by Ibn al-Haytham, the first refutations of Euclidean geometry and the parallel postulate by Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī, the first attempt at a non-Euclidean geometry by Sadr al-Din, the development of symbolic algebra by Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī,[117] and numerous other advances in algebra, arithmetic, calculus, cryptography, geometry, number theory and trigonometry.

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[edit] Beginning of chemistry

Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber), the father of chemistry, invented the alembic still and retort, many chemical processes such as pure distillation and filtration, and many chemical substances such as distilled alcohol. He also established the perfumery industry.Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber), the father of chemistry, invented the alembicstill and retort, many chemical processes such as pure distillation and filtration, and many chemical substances such as distilled alcohol. He also established the perfumery industry.

An early experimentalscientific method for chemistry began emerging among early Muslim chemists. The first and most influential was the 9th century Arab chemist, Geber (Jabir ibn Hayyan), who is "considered by many to be the father of chemistry",[4][5][6][7] for introducing:

  • The experimentalmethod; apparatus such as the alembic, still, and retort; and chemical processes such as liquefaction, crystallisation, purification, oxidisation, and evaporation.[7]
  • The chemical process of filtration.[8]
  • Pure distillation (impure distillation methods were known to the Babylonians, Greeks and Egyptians since ancient times, but Geber was the first to introduce distillation apparatus and techniques which were able to fully purify chemical substances).
  • The distillation and production of numerous chemical substances.

Jabir's teacher, Ja'far al-Sadiq, refuted Aristotle's theory of the four ****cal elements and discovered that each one is made up of different chemical elements:

"I wonder how a man like Aristotle could say that in the world there are only four elements - Earth, Water, Fire, and Air. The Earth is not an element. It contains many elements. Each metal, which is in the earth, is an element."[9]

Al-Sadiq also developed a particle theory, which he described as follows:

"The universe was born out of a tiny particle, which had two opposite poles. That particle produced an atom. In this way matter came into being. Then the matter diversified. This diversification was caused by the density or rarity of the atoms."[9]

Al-Sadiq also wrote a theory on the opacity and transparency of materials. He stated that materials which are solid and absorbent are opaque, and materials which are solid and repellent are more or less transparent. He also stated that opaque materials absorb heat.[9]

Al-Kindi, who was a chemist and an opponent of alchemy, was the first to refute the study of traditional alchemy and the theory of the transmutation of metals into more precious metals such as gold or silver.[10]Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī,[11]Avicenna[12] and Ibn Khaldun were also opponents of alchemy who refuted the theory of the transmutation of metals.

Another influential Muslim chemist was al-Razi (Rhazes), who in his Doubts about Galen, was the first to prove both Aristotle's theory of Ca**cal elements and Galen's theory of humorism wrong using an experimental method. He carried out an experiment which would upset these theories by inserting a liquid with a different temperature into a body resulting in an increase or decrease of bodily heat, which resembled the temperature of that particular fluid. Al-Razi noted particularly that a warm drink would heat up the body to a degree much higher than its own natural temperature, thus the drink would trigger a response from the body, rather than transferring only its own warmth or coldness to it. Al-Razi's chemical experiments further suggested other qualities of matter, such as "oiliness" and "sulfurousness", or inflammability and salinity, which were not readily explained by the traditional fire, water, earth and air division of elements.[13] Al-Razi was also the first to:

  • Distill petroleum.
  • Invent kerosene and kerosene lamps.
  • Invent soap bars and modern recipes for soap.
  • Produce antiseptics.
  • Invent numerous chemical processes such as sublimation.

In the 13th century, Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī stated an early version of the law of conservation of mass, noting that a body of matter is able to change, but is not able to disappear.[14]

From the 12th century, the writings of Jabir, al-Kindi, al-Razi and Avicenna became widely known in Europe during the Arabic-Latin translation movement and later through the Latin writings of a pseudo-Geber, an anonymous alchemist born in 14th century Spain, who translated more of Jabir's books into Latin and wrote some of his own books under the pen name of "Geber".

[edit] Chemical processes

Geber first invented the following chemical processes in the 8th century:

  • Pure distillation (al-taqtir) which could fully purify chemical substances with the alembic.
  • Filtration (al-tarshih).[8]
  • Liquefaction, crystallization (al-tabalwur), purification, oxidisation, and evaporation (tabkhir).[7]

Al-Razi invented the following chemical processes in the 9th century:

  • Dry distillation
  • Calcination (al-tashwiya).[15][16]
  • Solution (al-tahlil), sublimation (al-tas'id), amalgamation (al-talghim), ceration (al-tashmi), and a method of converting a substance into a thick paste or fusible solid.[15]

Other chemical processes introduced by Muslim chemists include:

  • Assation (or roasting), cocotion (or digestion), ceration, lavage, solution, mixture, and fixation.[17]
  • Destructive distillation was invented by Muslim chemists in the 8th century to produce tar from petroleum.[18]
  • Steam distillation was invented by Avicenna in the early 11th century for the purpose of producing essential oils.[19]
  • Water purificatio

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#231 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"]

Dont call barack obama black, its racist.

Dracargen

Are you kidding me?:|

So now it's racist to call black people "black". . . . .and you dodged the point.:roll:

Can I call these people black, then?

Oprah Winfrey

Halle Barry

Muhhamed Ali

Barbara Jordan

Michael Jordan

Matthew Henson

Daniel Hale Williams

Jamie Foxx

Morgan Freeman

Whoopi Goldberg

Tyra Banks

Eddie Murphy

Maya Angelou

James Baldwin

Alice Walker

Louis Armstrong

Michael Jackson (he was born black)

Tina Turner

George Forman

Carl Lewis

Tiger Woods

Serena Williams

Venus Williams

All of the above people were totally treated as second-cIass for their skin color.:roll:

Maybe next time you shouldnt skip around posts.

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[QUOTE="Marth6781"]

Yea they did, they pretty much shaped much if not all of the older world, without muslims contributions to sciences, government, philosophy, the word would have been a pitiful place.

Only the mongols can say that they had such an impact on the world as we know it today like the muslims(some europeans too).

Muslims caused the europeans to sail to the new world.

The_Ish

Government was nothing special, it was a theocracy, like in Europe. Philosophy - you mean Muslim philosophy? Thats theological philosophy, not the kind Europe was interested in. They contributed to the sciences, mathematics, and arts, and less so to mathematics because many of their "discoveries" were actually Indian in origin.

What shaped Europe then were not Muslims. It was a greater sense of sovereignty after the Bubonic plague decimated Europe's population, and new advances in weaponry (none of them being Muslim, since gunpowder weapons were an invention of the Chinese) Europeans countries after that point were nothing like The Turks, Moors or the Ottomans. Saying otherwise is like ignoring European history altogether.

Muslims shaped Northern and Western Africa, the Middle East, Egypt and Spain. Not Europe.

And Muslims causing the Europeans to sail to the new world? Lol? Does the word Reconquista mean anything to you? Spain reconquered all it's lands from the Muslims by the time Christopher Columbus set sail to what he thought was going to be India. Go back to 8th grade history class.

Oh and muslims and mongols, mainly mongols SPREAD THIS TECHNOLOGY TO EUROPE, without them europe would have still been the back water continent it once was, when the romans fell.

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#233 The_Ish
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1. Umm, yes the muslims and the italians had a monopoly on mediterranean trade.

Umm... did you read my post? The Europeans had other ways into India. That is not a monopoly.

2. Umm, no S*** they took the concept of zero from India, if they take the numbering system they take zero. Actually if you learn about muslim mathematics they created the decimal point, you know what read UP!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mathematics

The entire Wikipedia article, including the rest of your post, proves my point. Most of what they did was refinement and proof after studying Indian, Greek and Roman mathematics.

YOU've been owned on so many levels its not funny.

Not even close. ;)

You still havn't proved how Muslims have shaped Europe during there time of power, at all. You've argued that they contributed to the arts and the sciences, which they did, but not before studying Indian mathematics, sciences and art. From your own posts, it seems India has had a greater hand in shaping European science than the Muslims had.

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#234 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"]

1. Umm, yes the muslims and the italians had a monopoly on mediterranean trade.

Umm... did you read my post? The Europeans had other ways into India. That is not a monopoly.

2. Umm, no S*** they took the concept of zero from India, if they take the numbering system they take zero. Actually if you learn about muslim mathematics they created the decimal point, you know what read UP!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mathematics

The entire Wikipedia article, including the rest of your post, proves my point. Most of what they did was refinement and proof after studying Indian mathematics.

YOU've been owned on so many levels its not funny.

Not even close. ;)

You still havn't proved how Muslims have shaped Europe during there time of power, at all. You've argued that they contributed to the arts and the sciences, which they did, but not before studying Indian mathematics, sciences and art. From your own posts, it seems India has had a greater hand in shaping European science than the Muslims had.

The_Ish

:LOL: :LOL: :lol: is all I can do right now, the denial is strong young padawan.

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#235 The_Ish
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This is way too fun!!!!!

Marth6781

Too bad you wasted the Wikipedia article trying to refute an argument I never made! :lol:

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#236 The_Ish
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:LOL: :LOL: :lol: is all I can do right now, the denial is strong young padawan.

Marth6781

Denial of what? I never denied that Muslims influenced Europe. I have argued that Muslims had not shaped it. Your ignorance of European history is amazing.

Besides that, you keep assuming I would know less about Islam or the Muslim kingdoms than you.

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#238 Premier1101
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what dracargen said, and its an islamic...
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#239 remmbermytitans
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If Sept 11th didn't happen, we wouldn't care. Just like we didn't care what Hitler was doing in Europe until we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, we didn't care, until an attack opened up our eyes. So, beacuse we got attacked, we noticed that people are using Islam as a way to gain power, and spread their idealogy. So, we're trying to promote freedom and are trying to counter Islamic states, as they are oppresive, anti-Western, and barely give you any rights, all which are anti-American.
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#240 Dracargen
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Dracargen is not an angel of reason either, masking his fanatical Christian views and his hatred of non-christians with some very selectively chosen historical events he seems to think prove his point. In actuality, his reasoning only points to the fact that he's not that far removed from videodogg in his ideologies...

streak000

My "fanatical Christian veiws"?

Who the hell do you people think you are? I have never so much as implied that I hate non-Christians (I defy you to quote me anywhere that I did), and what historical events did I post? I said that Islamic theocracies have very violent histories, which they do; it is nothing short of blind to deny that.

Please, explain how my Christian views are fanatical. Make sure you actually get my views right, however.

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#241 streak000
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[QUOTE="streak000"]

Dracargen is not an angel of reason either, masking his fanatical Christian views and his hatred of non-christians with some very selectively chosen historical events he seems to think prove his point. In actuality, his reasoning only points to the fact that he's not that far removed from videodogg in his ideologies...

Dracargen

My "fanatical Christian veiws"?

Who the hell do you people think you are? I have never so much as implied that I hate non-Christians (I defy you to quote me anywhere that I did), and what historical events did I post? I said that Islamic theocracies have very violent histories, which they do; it is nothing short of blind to deny that.

Please, explain how my Christian views are fanatical. Make sure you actually get my views right, however.

Well, I've already apologised for the personal insult, but I may as well explain why I made the comment in the first place. I think it's misguided to argue that a reason America doesn't approve of Islamic States (with Sharia Law) is because "Islamic theocracies have violent histories". I think that most theocracies in history have been violent to a certain degree, regardless of religion. By emphisizing Islamic theocracies, you're displaying a bias based on religion, which I find rather annoying.

Surely the issue is one of human rights, and that's where the focus of this argument should be. Surely the Western democracies do not approve of Islamic Law because of its barbaric and primitive practices, which should be distasteful to any right-thinking, freedom loving Westerner. I just think that by focusing on the violence historically perpetrated by Muslim theocracies, while completely ignoring the historical violence commited by Christians, you're clouding the issue, and making this into a religious argument, when it quite clearly should be focused solely on human rights.....

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#242 Videodogg
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Hey, at least i am honest about how i feel. I am not going to apologise. I don't care about history. I care about the here and now. The Islamic ideology ( which is supported by true Muslims ) is a direct threat to me, my family, my country, our way of life. The so called extremists are not just a few idle wackos, but millions, practically whole countries, who believe they are the true Muslims and they are hell bent on our destruction. They call out to the Muslims living in our country to rise up and carry out Jihad as the only way they can redeem themselves in the eyes of Allah, otherwise they are targets for death just as any non-muslim. So, when the crap hits the fan and the Muslims have to choose sides, they will be cutting our throats in the night. We choose to ignore what can happen because of political correctness. I'm not going to let my guard down for a minute. After 9/11 and hearing about all those sleeper cells and reading about the hate that's preached in the mosques in this country, and listening to the Iranian president say muslims will take over the world and Isreal will be destroyed......how can anyone think Muslims are our friends?
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#243 Napster06
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Videodogg

Great. Another generalization.