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[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="-eddy-"]Aren't all physical avatars of God forbidden?grape_of_wrathNot in christianity... there is a gigantic "physical avatar" of god on the sistine chapel. Only muslims have that rule with Mohammad I believe, though I'm not 100% sure, I'm only really familiar with christianity. Look up the second commandment...:| ...which doesn't say anything about displaying a physical manifestation of god
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="mfp16"] Not in christianity... there is a gigantic "physical avatar" of god on the sistine chapel. Only muslims have that rule with Mohammad I believe, though I'm not 100% sure, I'm only really familiar with christianity.mfp16Look up the second commandment...:| ...which doesn't say anything about displaying a physical manifestation of god What? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine.
[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] Look up the second commandment...:|grape_of_wrath...which doesn't say anything about displaying a physical manifestation of god What? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine. "You shall have no other gods before me" says nothing explicitly about sculpture making, or even Idolatry.
[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] Look up the second commandment...:|grape_of_wrath...which doesn't say anything about displaying a physical manifestation of god What? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine. Yeah, You can Draw pictures and stuff. The Sistine Chapel is a Picture.
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="mfp16"] ...which doesn't say anything about displaying a physical manifestation of godmfp16What? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine. "You shall have no other gods before me" says nothing explicitly about sculpture making, or even Idolatry. :| You forgot the rest. I'll translate from hebrew-"You shall make no sculptures and no pictures of what is in heavens above,and on earth beneath it and of what is in the seas below it" ...
[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] Look up the second commandment...:|grape_of_wrath...which doesn't say anything about displaying a physical manifestation of god What? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine. Ah but the interpretation does indeed vary....
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="mfp16"] ...which doesn't say anything about displaying a physical manifestation of godSnipes_2What? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine. Yeah, You can Draw pictures and stuff. The Sistine Chapel is a Picture. I never said christianity keeps the commandments. Christians seem to ignore the 2nd , 3rd and the 4th commandments,completely....
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="mfp16"] ...which doesn't say anything about displaying a physical manifestation of godLJS9502_basicWhat? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine. Ah but the interpretation does indeed vary.... I'll give you that. It can be inferred that it only relates to foreign pagan beliefs(even though it doesn't appear in the text). But christianity has,definitely, altered it's focus from the commandments to the new testament.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] What? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine.grape_of_wrathYeah, You can Draw pictures and stuff. The Sistine Chapel is a Picture. I never said christianity keeps the commandments. Christians seem to ignore the 2nd , 3rd and the 4th commandments,completely.... How so?
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]"You shall make no sculptures and no pictures of what is in heavens above,and on earth beneath it and of what is in the seas below it" ...mfp16In ten years of catholic school I have never seen that translation anywhere.The Commandments have slight variations...and, in fact, are compiled from two difrferent books in the OT. They don't correspond exactly....
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]"You shall make no sculptures and no pictures of what is in heavens above,and on earth beneath it and of what is in the seas below it" ...mfp16In ten years of catholic school I have never seen that translation anywhere. Are you kidding me? pick up a bible. In fact here is a Wiki quote that I was quick enough to find. 2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me
[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]"You shall make no sculptures and no pictures of what is in heavens above,and on earth beneath it and of what is in the seas below it" ...grape_of_wrathIn ten years of catholic school I have never seen that translation anywhere. Are you kidding me? pick up a bible. In fact here is a Wiki quote that I was quick enough to find. 2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me That doesn't mean that a picture or scultpure can't be created - it means, IMO, that you shouldn't worship such creations.
[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]"You shall make no sculptures and no pictures of what is in heavens above,and on earth beneath it and of what is in the seas below it" ...grape_of_wrathIn ten years of catholic school I have never seen that translation anywhere. Are you kidding me? pick up a bible. In fact here is a Wiki quote that I was quick enough to find. 2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain....3. Keep Holy the Sabbath Day. 4. Honor your father and mother...5. You shalt not kill....
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="mfp16"] In ten years of catholic school I have never seen that translation anywhere.mattbbplAre you kidding me? pick up a bible. In fact here is a Wiki quote that I was quick enough to find. 2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me That doesn't mean that a picture or scultpure can't be created - it means, IMO, that you shouldn't worship such creations.That is, in fact, how some religions interprete the commandment...
[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]"You shall make no sculptures and no pictures of what is in heavens above,and on earth beneath it and of what is in the seas below it" ...grape_of_wrathIn ten years of catholic school I have never seen that translation anywhere. Are you kidding me? pick up a bible. In fact here is a Wiki quote that I was quick enough to find. 2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me I'll have to pass on "picking up a bible", I can only tell you what I was taught my catholic priests and nuns. I'm sure that translation is probably a matter of interpretation considering the numbers of sculptures and pictures found in catholic churches. In the end, for me, it's not troubling since I don't subscribe to that notion. I just had never seen that translation before in Catholic studies. When I had to memorize them it was simply "Thou shalt not have any other gods before me"
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Yeah, You can Draw pictures and stuff. The Sistine Chapel is a Picture. LJS9502_basicI never said christianity keeps the commandments. Christians seem to ignore the 2nd , 3rd and the 4th commandments,completely.... How so? The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments.
I'll have to pass on "picking up a bible", I can only tell you what I was taught my catholic priests and nuns. I'm sure that translation is probably a matter of interpretation considering the numbers of sculptures and pictures found in catholic churches. In the end, for me, it's not troubling since I don't subscribe to that notion. I just had never seen that translation before in Catholic studies. When I had to memorize them it was simply "Thou shalt not have any other gods before me"mfp16It is. Much of what he numbered singularly is considered all of number 1 for Christian denominations...
Why does he have white skin if there are people not of white skin.
Why choose one race over another?
BioDogshock
I'm sure it's been reiterated many times throughout this thread, but God doesn't have skin...
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] I never said christianity keeps the commandments. Christians seem to ignore the 2nd , 3rd and the 4th commandments,completely....grape_of_wrathHow so? The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments. A lot of them pass on the rules outlining the sales of slaves and the treatment of women as well...
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] What? If read literally-it prohibits Idolatry and sculpture making completely.When interpreted-it prohibits making,and worshipping, a physical image of anything divine.grape_of_wrathYeah, You can Draw pictures and stuff. The Sistine Chapel is a Picture. I never said christianity keeps the commandments. Christians seem to ignore the 2nd , 3rd and the 4th commandments,completely.... They do keep the commandments though. You're allowed to draw Pictures and stuff, you aren't supposed to worship them or create an "Idol" (Statue) of God and treat them as if they are your God.
The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments.grape_of_wrathSee my response above. The numbering is different vis a vis Jewish vs Catholic/Protestant. Any way....the interpretation of graven image is taken to mean only not to worhip the image. But that having an image of God is okay since He left symbols himself...ie the Arc of the Covenant and a few others.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] I never said christianity keeps the commandments. Christians seem to ignore the 2nd , 3rd and the 4th commandments,completely....grape_of_wrathHow so? The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments. You're not supposed to take Gods name in Vain. I.e. "God...." There are Christians who are lax, everyone commits sins and disobeys the commandments. It's a matter of doing penance to be forgiven.
That doesn't mean that a picture or scultpure can't be created - it means, IMO, that you shouldn't worship such creations.That is, in fact, how some religions interpete the commandment... That's why I put IMO, as the interpretation I used is how my denomination and the others I've encountered interpret it.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] Are you kidding me? pick up a bible. In fact here is a Wiki quote that I was quick enough to find. 2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject meLJS9502_basic
The appearence of gods are molded into what people want them to look like. It's no coincidence that Hindu gods are often depicted wearing indian clothing and that Hinduism is an indian religion. The mormon church sometimes portrays Jesus as a blonde haired man, which is almost disgustingly dishonest. There's no evidence that Jesus or any other first century jew had silky blonde hair.
If a god is depicted as white, it's because the followers of that God feel most comfortable with him looking like that.
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How so?mfp16The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments. A lot of them pass on the rules outlining the sales of slaves and the treatment of women as well... Does it seem like i'm defending the concepts of morality in the Old testament? that's not my argument.In any case-the Old testament states,on several occassions that slave-trading is a neccassary evil,and in the future it will be abolished.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Uh...has anyone actually seen God to make a determination? BioDogshockI thought jesus= god? Isn't that what christians believe?
nobody know the real face of jesus all of those depictions are based on the painting's and people say that jesus was Middle Eastern brown skin and brown eyed
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How so?Snipes_2The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments. You're not supposed to take Gods name in Vain. I.e. "God...." There are Christians who are lax, everyone commits sins and disobeys the commandments. It's a matter of doing penance to be forgiven. What about the sabbath?
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments.grape_of_wrathYou're not supposed to take Gods name in Vain. I.e. "God...." There are Christians who are lax, everyone commits sins and disobeys the commandments. It's a matter of doing penance to be forgiven. What about the sabbath? That's number 3...though celebrated on a different day...
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments.grape_of_wrathYou're not supposed to take Gods name in Vain. I.e. "God...." There are Christians who are lax, everyone commits sins and disobeys the commandments. It's a matter of doing penance to be forgiven. What about the sabbath? Well, Again. You have people that were brought up as Christian, and Identify as Christians. But don't actually practice the Religion.
See my response above. The numbering is different vis a vis Jewish vs Catholic/Protestant. Any way....the interpretation of graven image is taken to mean only not to worhip the image. But that having an image of God is okay since He left symbols himself...ie the Arc of the Covenant and a few others. The original hebrew text has one version,that has been translated from ancient hebrew and rearranged,chronologically, over the years,but not altered(which isn't numbered but 'lettered' btw). I never said that christianity has not found a way to break from the original meaning of the commandments through later teachings and additions in the NT.[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]The 2nd deals with making an image of god. Which ,If jesus is a part of it, is not being kept. The 3rd deals with the prohibition of naming the explicit name of god. Yehova. I don't recall Christians keeping that one-and in any case- 'The Jehova's witnesses' sect break a commandment every time they name themselves. The 4th deals with the keeping the sabbath-Which christians,plainly, do not do. To be clear -I'm not criticizing anyone. It's just factual that christianity passes on a few commandments.LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're not supposed to take Gods name in Vain. I.e. "God...." There are Christians who are lax, everyone commits sins and disobeys the commandments. It's a matter of doing penance to be forgiven. LJS9502_basicWhat about the sabbath? That's number 3...though celebrated on a different day... It's 4. and is sunday,really, the christian sabbath? Is, by christian teachings, all work,trade and labour stopped?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] What about the sabbath? grape_of_wrathThat's number 3...though celebrated on a different day... It's 4. and is sunday,really, the christian sabbath? Is, by christian teachings, all work,trade and labour stopped? As I explained above....much of what you split up is put together differently. For Christianity....Sabbath is 3. Used to be years ago I believe....but greed won out....
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's number 3...though celebrated on a different day...LJS9502_basicIt's 4. and is sunday,really, the christian sabbath? Is, by christian teachings, all work,trade and labour stopped? As I explained about....much of what you split up is put together differently. For Christianity....Sabbath is 3. Used to be years ago I believe....but greed won out.... Now you can't do any "Unnecessary Labor". I think the stores closing stopped around the time of Vatican II? I'm not sure.
It's 4. and is sunday,really, the christian sabbath? Is, by christian teachings, all work,trade and labour stopped? As I explained above....much of what you split up is put together differently. For Christianity....Sabbath is 3. Used to be years ago I believe....but greed won out.... Wow. I really got a lot from this exchange. who said you can't learn from OT? Just one more thing-I met a group of Jerusalmic mormons a few years ago who do keep the sabbath in it's original date-what's that about?[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's number 3...though celebrated on a different day...LJS9502_basic
God is white because he was created by white people, for white people. Notice how he has apparently forgotten about those starving in Africa, so if your not white, it appears that you don't fall under Gods jurisdiction.SeanDog123God doesn't have a specific color. He's portrayed as White because that's generally who the artists were painting for, Europeans. "Those starving in Africa"? What does that have to do with anything?
[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]God is white because he was created by white people, for white people. Notice how he has apparently forgotten about those starving in Africa, so if your not white, it appears that you don't fall under Gods jurisdiction.Snipes_2God doesn't have a specific color. He's portrayed as White because that's generally who the artists were painting for, Europeans. "Those starving in Africa"? What does that have to do with anything? Well, Christianity is generally the religion of white people, I was kinda joking around with that last part. Although it would appear that God doesn't care about Africans. I know God doesn't have a specific color (because he isn't real), but would millions of white people pray for him if he was black? No, that would be bad marketing.
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