Why does the US get away with murder and its civillians shrug off collateral

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Those people who are calling that staff sergeant a hero are wrong and they are morons if they can justify killing innocent children just because they just happen to be from Afghanistan. However, they're no different than people who call troops who served honorably murderers just because they are doing their job.

kuraimen

Sometimes it's not a bad idea to try and avoid lumping all deaths into the same category. Would you call a young mother who hit somebody crossing the street because her brakes went out a murderer? She killed the person but it wasn't intentional, so it wasn't murder.

Same thing with a servicemember who shoots a missle at a suspected weapons cache and a child just happen to be in there. The Taliban isn't above using human shields to further their cause and put the US in a bad light. There are bad troops out there but there are good ones as well.

More frothing at the mouth hatred for the USA, I see.

Yawn.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] They're just more examples of the hateful attitude Americans have. They're so blinded by their patriotic propaganda, that they don't realize these "wars" they're fighting dont have to happen. And it's making them so ignorant they dont even realize who they're fighting, it's just "Those guys", "The enemy", "targets". And when civilians die in their crossfire, it's called "collateral damage" Sure, the whole bunch isn't going to be bad (at first), but eventually they'll all go sour.ad1x2

Sometimes it's not a bad idea to try and avoid lumping all deaths into the same category. Would you call a young mother who hit somebody crossing the street because her brakes went out a murderer? She killed the person but it wasn't intentional, so it wasn't murder.

Same thing with a servicemember who shoots a missle at a suspected weapons cache and a child just happen to be in there. The Taliban isn't above using human shields to further their cause and put the US in a bad light. There are bad troops out there but there are good ones as well.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]

Those people who are calling that staff sergeant a hero are wrong and they are morons if they can justify killing innocent children just because they just happen to be from Afghanistan. However, they're no different than people who call troops who served honorably murderers just because they are doing their job.

kuraimen

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Collateral damage is just an euphemism they use. I've never seen they use that term with their enemies... I wonder why. It appears they are the only ones who kill civilians in a "good enough way".kuraimen

Sometimes it's not a bad idea to try and avoid lumping all deaths into the same category. Would you call a young mother who hit somebody crossing the street because her brakes went out a murderer? She killed the person but it wasn't intentional, so it wasn't murder.

Same thing with a servicemember who shoots a missle at a suspected weapons cache and a child just happen to be in there. The Taliban isn't above using human shields to further their cause and put the US in a bad light. There are bad troops out there but there are good ones as well.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Collateral damage is just an euphemism they use. I've never seen they use that term with their enemies... I wonder why. It appears they are the only ones who kill civilians in a "good enough way".kuraimen

Sometimes it's not a bad idea to try and avoid lumping all deaths into the same category. Would you call a young mother who hit somebody crossing the street because her brakes went out a murderer? She killed the person but it wasn't intentional, so it wasn't murder.

Same thing with a servicemember who shoots a missle at a suspected weapons cache and a child just happen to be in there. The Taliban isn't above using human shields to further their cause and put the US in a bad light. There are bad troops out there but there are good ones as well.

There have been multiple times where missions have been canceled because the risk to innocent life was too great. Yet, the Taliban has no problem burying a roadside bomb on a road frequented by civilians just because they might be able to take out two or three US troops with it. We're not as bloodthirsty as you would think.

Also, when I'm being shot at I'm going to get under cover and shoot back. Police officers do the same in most cases here in the US and I would assume where you come from they would do the same if under fire.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]

Sometimes it's not a bad idea to try and avoid lumping all deaths into the same category. Would you call a young mother who hit somebody crossing the street because her brakes went out a murderer? She killed the person but it wasn't intentional, so it wasn't murder.

Same thing with a servicemember who shoots a missle at a suspected weapons cache and a child just happen to be in there. The Taliban isn't above using human shields to further their cause and put the US in a bad light. There are bad troops out there but there are good ones as well.

LJS9502_basic

I would call dropping a bomb on people from miles away is hardly defending yourself... considering most news of civilians killed end up being by bombs and not by direct engagement.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] And if the army knows the Taliban is using civilians as shields and shoots anyway? Is that also "collateral damage"? Who's fault it is? Should the army be given a free pass just because the Taliban put a civilians shield? I think both using civilians as shields and dropping bombs on top of places where they know civilian will be harmed is disgusting no matter what excuse they use to justify it. kuraimen

I would call dropping a bomb on people from miles away is hardly defending yourself... considering most news of civilians killed end up being by bombs and not by direct engagement.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]

Sometimes it's not a bad idea to try and avoid lumping all deaths into the same category. Would you call a young mother who hit somebody crossing the street because her brakes went out a murderer? She killed the person but it wasn't intentional, so it wasn't murder.

Same thing with a servicemember who shoots a missle at a suspected weapons cache and a child just happen to be in there. The Taliban isn't above using human shields to further their cause and put the US in a bad light. There are bad troops out there but there are good ones as well.

ad1x2

There have been multiple times where missions have been canceled because the risk to innocent life was too great. Yet, the Taliban has no problem burying a roadside bomb on a road frequented by civilians just because they might be able to take out two or three US troops with it. We're not as bloodthirsty as you would think.

Also, when I'm being shot at I'm going to get under cover and shoot back. Police officers do the same in most cases here in the US and I would assume where you come from they would do the same if under fire.

I'm sure that if the Taliban had the amount of money and technology as you do they would also be as "considered" as you are. I'm sure they would rather target your bases than a random road somewhere. Either way I don't see much difference, both target the other with the means they have and both kill civilians in the process...kuraimen

Are you actually defending the Taliban using roadside bombs because of the fact they don't have the resources to attack our bases directly? Now I've heard everything.

Also, they do attack us directly. Usually they shoot rockets and mortars at the bases and some of the smaller bases are attacked by hundreds of them teaming up in coordinated attacks.

This is what it comes down to? Insults and a bunch of crap you spout out because you served in the military industrial complex? You assume I cant take rough physical training and that I am some lazy nerd. Forgot you people could be so ignorant... and so aggressive and insulting. I have less reason to respect anything. And the military HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WASHINGTON DOES. You take orders from Washington. This is the typical arrogant military servicemen attitude I despise. This sense of arrogance and entitlement thinking they are better than everyone else because they were trained to kill others..... As if that is what makes the world a better place.

RadecSupreme

Talk is cheap kid last PT score at 42 I did push ups 104, sit ups 115 in , run time 12.36 for my 2 mile with 2 bad knees I had surgery on. Currently my resting heart rate is in the 50's with 12 percent body fat at 44 years old. Still able to do the p90x for more reps than they ask for. I also go to the gym and swim. Also a level 3 army combatives qualified never went for level 4. I also shot expert 40 out of 40 last time out. So I really doubt you could keep up with this old man kid. We can go pic for pic with the time and date on it right here right now and see who wins. I lead by example I never asked anybody to do anything I could not do myself.

So put up or shut up. Let everybody here see if the you got more than just a big mouth. I am a old retired man kid so I know a few things like how the military works and who the orders come from. As for defending the military from ignorant punks who have not done jack @#$% you damn right I will. You read some stuff on the net and pass judgement on things you know nothing about or how it works.

You know I can agree that the US government and military does some pretty evil things, but I think anyone who believes that we're the only evil country on the entire planet is a fukin moron. Every country in the world has committed crimes against humanity at some point in history and I'm willing to bet that if the US were just another poor third world country that all of these wealthy modern countries would be trying to exploit us too. Hell I'm willing to bet that a long ways from now if our "empire" were to collapse there would be a lot of countries pissed off at us and would think that gives them the right to commit genocide on our people and slaughter and rape our children out of revenge for something that only a handful of Americans have done in the past. Humans are such hypocrites I swear...

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I'm sure that if the Taliban had the amount of money and technology as you do they would also be as "considered" as you are. I'm sure they would rather target your bases than a random road somewhere. Either way I don't see much difference, both target the other with the means they have and both kill civilians in the process...ad1x2

Are you actually defending the Taliban using roadside bombs because of the fact they don't have the resources to attack our bases directly? Now I've heard everything.

Also, they do attack us directly. Usually they shoot rockets and mortars at the bases and some of the smaller bases are attacked by hundreds of them teaming up in coordinated attacks.

You know I can agree that the US government and military does some pretty evil things, but I think anyone who believes that we're the only evil country on the entire planet is a fukin moron. Every country in the world has committed crimes against humanity at some point in history and I'm willing to bet that if the US were just another poor third world country that all of these wealthy modern countries would be trying to exploit us too. Hell I'm willing to bet that a long ways from now if our "empire" were to collapse there would be a lot of countries pissed off at us and would think that gives them the right to commit genocide on our people and slaughter and rape our children out of revenge for something that only a handful of Americans have done in the past. Humans are such hypocrites I swear...

GreySun369

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I'm sure that if the Taliban had the amount of money and technology as you do they would also be as "considered" as you are. I'm sure they would rather target your bases than a random road somewhere. Either way I don't see much difference, both target the other with the means they have and both kill civilians in the process...kuraimen

Are you actually defending the Taliban using roadside bombs because of the fact they don't have the resources to attack our bases directly? Now I've heard everything.

Also, they do attack us directly. Usually they shoot rockets and mortars at the bases and some of the smaller bases are attacked by hundreds of them teaming up in coordinated attacks.

Regardless of why the Taliban does it innocent people die as a result. Do you have any idea how many roadside bombs meant for US troops ended up killing an innocent family driving by who accidentally tripped it? US troops have body armor and up-armored vehicles to cushion the explosion which minimizes injuries in some cases. A minivan with eight people won't stand a chance against an EFP.

Fact of the matter is while the US may not be perfect the boots on the ground still try to do the right thing. The Taliban, on the other hand, doesn't have to put innocent bystanders in danger just to get US troops but they do it anyway. While I think they're a bunch of turds, I would have more respect for them if they stuck to ambushes and indirect fire attacks than for them to use roadside bombs.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]

Are you actually defending the Taliban using roadside bombs because of the fact they don't have the resources to attack our bases directly? Now I've heard everything.

Also, they do attack us directly. Usually they shoot rockets and mortars at the bases and some of the smaller bases are attacked by hundreds of them teaming up in coordinated attacks.

ad1x2

Regardless of why the Taliban does it innocent people die as a result. Do you have any idea how many roadside bombs meant for US troops ended up killing an innocent family driving by who accidentally tripped it? US troops have body armor and up-armored vehicles to cushion the explosion which minimizes injuries in some cases. A minivan with eight people won't stand a chance against an EFP.

Fact of the matter is while the US may not be perfect the boots on the ground still try to do the right thing. The Taliban, on the other hand, doesn't have to put innocent bystanders in danger just to get US troops but they do it anyway. While I think they're a bunch of turds, I would have more respect for them if they stuck to ambushes and indirect fire attacks than for them to use roadside bombs.

[QUOTE="GreySun369"]

You know I can agree that the US government and military does some pretty evil things, but I think anyone who believes that we're the only evil country on the entire planet is a fukin moron. Every country in the world has committed crimes against humanity at some point in history and I'm willing to bet that if the US were just another poor third world country that all of these wealthy modern countries would be trying to exploit us too. Hell I'm willing to bet that a long ways from now if our "empire" were to collapse there would be a lot of countries pissed off at us and would think that gives them the right to commit genocide on our people and slaughter and rape our children out of revenge for something that only a handful of Americans have done in the past. Humans are such hypocrites I swear...

kuraimen

If you can prove that whatever you think the USA military did was deliberate with the knowledge of the chain of command then prove it.

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

This is what it comes down to? Insults and a bunch of crap you spout out because you served in the military industrial complex? You assume I cant take rough physical training and that I am some lazy nerd. Forgot you people could be so ignorant... and so aggressive and insulting. I have less reason to respect anything. And the military HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WASHINGTON DOES. You take orders from Washington. This is the typical arrogant military servicemen attitude I despise. This sense of arrogance and entitlement thinking they are better than everyone else because they were trained to kill others..... As if that is what makes the world a better place.

no-scope-AK47

Talk is cheap kid last PT score at 42 I did push ups 104, sit ups 115 in , run time 12.36 for my 2 mile with 2 bad knees I had surgery on. Currently my resting heart rate is in the 50's with 12 percent body fat at 44 years old. Still able to do the p90x for more reps than they ask for. I also go to the gym and swim. Also a level 3 army combatives qualified never went for level 4. I also shot expert 40 out of 40 last time out. So I really doubt you could keep up with this old man kid. We can go pic for pic with the time and date on it right here right now and see who wins. I lead by example I never asked anybody to do anything I could not do myself.

So put up or shut up. Let everybody here see if the you got more than just a big mouth. I am a old retired man kid so I know a few things like how the military works and who the orders come from. As for defending the military from ignorant punks who have not done jack @#$% you damn right I will. You read some stuff on the net and pass judgement on things you know nothing about or how it works.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Collateral damage is just an euphemism they use. I've never seen they use that term with their enemies... I wonder why. It appears they are the only ones who kill civilians in a "good enough way".kuraimen

Sometimes it's not a bad idea to try and avoid lumping all deaths into the same category. Would you call a young mother who hit somebody crossing the street because her brakes went out a murderer? She killed the person but it wasn't intentional, so it wasn't murder.

Same thing with a servicemember who shoots a missle at a suspected weapons cache and a child just happen to be in there. The Taliban isn't above using human shields to further their cause and put the US in a bad light. There are bad troops out there but there are good ones as well.

Not all of us "shrug" it off.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm not defending anyone I'm explaining why they do it, it's practically a given they wouldn't spent so much time putting roadside bombs if they had planes and missiles to attack your bases from long range directly. I consider both actions equally disgusting and reprehensible. Only because the US has more means to attack them that doesn't excuse their behaviour or makes it any better.kuraimen

Regardless of why the Taliban does it innocent people die as a result. Do you have any idea how many roadside bombs meant for US troops ended up killing an innocent family driving by who accidentally tripped it? US troops have body armor and up-armored vehicles to cushion the explosion which minimizes injuries in some cases. A minivan with eight people won't stand a chance against an EFP.

Fact of the matter is while the US may not be perfect the boots on the ground still try to do the right thing. The Taliban, on the other hand, doesn't have to put innocent bystanders in danger just to get US troops but they do it anyway. While I think they're a bunch of turds, I would have more respect for them if they stuck to ambushes and indirect fire attacks than for them to use roadside bombs.

The way I see it is the protection of civilians is a secondary objective to any of US's agenda.. If it was actually the main goal in these wars (which have really been all voluntary since WW2 more or less) there is so many more people that can be saved simply through humanitarian aid.. sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]The way I see it is the protection of civilians is a secondary objective to any of US's agenda.. If it was actually the main goal in these wars (which have really been all voluntary since WW2 more or less) there is so many more people that can be saved simply through humanitarian aid.. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

The sad thing about this board is 99% of you haters have never been in combat and have no clue what you are talking about. You speak of the horror of war from the comfort of your desk and behind the safety of your internet. Those of us who have actually seen these terrible things will tell you we loathe war more than ANY of you ever could imagine. I was 4 years active Army before I went USAF. Most of us would give our lives to protect an innocent child. You know NOTHING about us, you just read about the actions of a few and label us all monsters. Whatever.

RadecSupreme

So we now have to experience combat to criticize soldiers and their wrong doings? We have to murder people and experience murder attempt to criticize murders? We have to own a corporation to criticize evildoings of corporations? We have to be CEOs of charity organizations to condemn taking all the money for themselves?

No, we do not. And do not come to me with that crap about terrorist propaganda when this "propaganda" is written by independant news and reporters that are from other nations. You may have served, but just because people CHOOSE to join a military force does not mean they automatically gain my respect. I condemn the evildoers EVERYWHERE. I am against cruelty to everyone. I respect GOOD soldiers/marines/sailors who do not commit these war crimes and try to do good in our world. BUT WE MAINTAIN THE RIGHT TO CONDEMN THE CRIMINALS IN OUR MILITARY. Also, do not talk to me about soldiers protecting my rights now these days. Last time the military defended my freedom was world war 2. I DO NOT SEE SOLDIERS STOPPING NDAA LAW. Have they? They did not go against the NDAA which was signed in by Obama to remove our right to court and a trial. So don't give me that crap about defending freedom and rights. We have been losing our rights slowly since the creation of this nation.

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

So we now have to experience combat to criticize soldiers and their wrong doings? We have to murder people and experience murder attempt to criticize murders? We have to own a corporation to criticize evildoings of corporations? We have to be CEOs of charity organizations to condemn taking all the money for themselves?

No, we do not. And do not come to me with that crap about terrorist propaganda when this "propaganda" is written by independant news and reporters that are from other nations. You may have served, but just because people CHOOSE to join a military force does not mean they automatically gain my respect. I condemn the evildoers EVERYWHERE. I am against cruelty to everyone. I respect GOOD soldiers/marines/sailors who do not commit these war crimes and try to do good in our world. BUT WE MAINTAIN THE RIGHT TO CONDEMN THE CRIMINALS IN OUR MILITARY. Also, do not talk to me about soldiers protecting my rights now these days. Last time the military defended my freedom was world war 2. I DO NOT SEE SOLDIERS STOPPING NDAA LAW. Have they? They did not go against the NDAA which was signed in by Obama to remove our right to court and a trial. So don't give me that crap about defending freedom and rights. We have been losing our rights slowly since the creation of this nation.

Heisenderp

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

The sad thing about this board is 99% of you haters have never been in combat and have no clue what you are talking about. You speak of the horror of war from the comfort of your desk and behind the safety of your internet. Those of us who have actually seen these terrible things will tell you we loathe war more than ANY of you ever could imagine. I was 4 years active Army before I went USAF. Most of us would give our lives to protect an innocent child. You know NOTHING about us, you just read about the actions of a few and label us all monsters. Whatever.

Mikey132

As someone who has never served. I would give my life to protect an innocent child. I don't have to be dropped into a war zone by my Government to one day possibly be in that situation.

Now you are right, I know nothing about you. Yet I'm fairly certain that you didn't join up to protect innocent children from a foreign nation. So let me ask, why did you join in the first place? you were lead and you followed, it's that simple. Any man would/should see and innocent child is in danger no matter where they are and act accordingly, solider or not. (And yes we have pedos and sickos on our side of the world I'm well aware about)

[QUOTE="GreySun369"]

You know I can agree that the US government and military does some pretty evil things, but I think anyone who believes that we're the only evil country on the entire planet is a fukin moron. Every country in the world has committed crimes against humanity at some point in history and I'm willing to bet that if the US were just another poor third world country that all of these wealthy modern countries would be trying to exploit us too. Hell I'm willing to bet that a long ways from now if our "empire" were to collapse there would be a lot of countries pissed off at us and would think that gives them the right to commit genocide on our people and slaughter and rape our children out of revenge for something that only a handful of Americans have done in the past. Humans are such hypocrites I swear...

kuraimen

Iran or Syria kills dozens to thousands of their citizens and it barely strikes a chord with you people, ONE American soldier kills 16 Afghans and you come out like roaches when the lights turn on.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="GreySun369"]

You know I can agree that the US government and military does some pretty evil things, but I think anyone who believes that we're the only evil country on the entire planet is a fukin moron. Every country in the world has committed crimes against humanity at some point in history and I'm willing to bet that if the US were just another poor third world country that all of these wealthy modern countries would be trying to exploit us too. Hell I'm willing to bet that a long ways from now if our "empire" were to collapse there would be a lot of countries pissed off at us and would think that gives them the right to commit genocide on our people and slaughter and rape our children out of revenge for something that only a handful of Americans have done in the past. Humans are such hypocrites I swear...

vfibsux

Iran or Syria kills dozens to thousands of their citizens and it barely strikes a chord with you people, ONE American soldier kills 16 Afghans and you come out like roaches when the lights turn on.

Yeah they ignore all the good that the rest of the soliders did and all the programs the military are doing to help the people they claim we are murdering.

why do you care, we're fcking theUSA!ZumaJones07

Because they're saving the world you fvcking hippie.

Because they're saving the world you fvcking hippie.

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Because they're saving the world you fvcking hippie.

GrayF0X786

:lol:

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Because they're saving the world you fvcking hippie.

Ilovegames1992

:lol:

Your article is such trash it is pathetic. Not one fact is mentioned in it, just tossing out statistics at will. America does not target woman and children, you have NO CLUE how much we go through in the Air Force to NOT target women and children. You will NEVER know because we would never let people like you know. You are the type who would run and tell our enemies so they could use it against us even more than they do now. I can tell you for a fact we go far out of our way to avoid killing innocents, I am involved in the process.

This is your type in a nutshell.......

A high value member of the Taliban uses women and children as human shields against Americans, you are cool with that. Americans bomb the target not knowing there are human shields in the building, you blame us. It is pretty pathetic actually.

vfibsux

I don't know. I saw video footage of American soldiers targeting a van with children inside and laughing about it. I saw video footage of American forces blowing up a building at the same time a man was causally passing by in front of it.

It's not that America targets women and children, but it seems to me you guys don't really care. You shrug it off with "collateral damage" and move on.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="GreySun369"]

You know I can agree that the US government and military does some pretty evil things, but I think anyone who believes that we're the only evil country on the entire planet is a fukin moron. Every country in the world has committed crimes against humanity at some point in history and I'm willing to bet that if the US were just another poor third world country that all of these wealthy modern countries would be trying to exploit us too. Hell I'm willing to bet that a long ways from now if our "empire" were to collapse there would be a lot of countries pissed off at us and would think that gives them the right to commit genocide on our people and slaughter and rape our children out of revenge for something that only a handful of Americans have done in the past. Humans are such hypocrites I swear...

vfibsux

Iran or Syria kills dozens to thousands of their citizens and it barely strikes a chord with you people, ONE American soldier kills 16 Afghans and you come out like roaches when the lights turn on.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]

Sometimes it's not a bad idea to try and avoid lumping all deaths into the same category. Would you call a young mother who hit somebody crossing the street because her brakes went out a murderer? She killed the person but it wasn't intentional, so it wasn't murder.

Same thing with a servicemember who shoots a missle at a suspected weapons cache and a child just happen to be in there. The Taliban isn't above using human shields to further their cause and put the US in a bad light. There are bad troops out there but there are good ones as well.

Lord_Omikron666

Our criminal justice system is a little screwy. People like Casey Anthony and OJ can get off. However, I think this soldier is not going to get away with murder. Most people in the US are quite digusted with what he did and I'm sure he's going to face trial and charges. There's always an "insanity" plea, but in that case he'd be sent to a mental institution indefinitely. He should be facing justice one way or the other. Murder is not acceptable and he murdered those people.

That dude is going to jail for a very long time. He's not getting away with murder.

sonicare

Nothing for nothing, but everyone sitting here claiming that some how people have this respect for their enemy during the stresses of war is laughable. I'm not condoning what these guys have done or anyone in the past has done, but why don't some of you wake up and realize war is not a gentlemens game. The US is not the only country in the world with bad soliders. Its everywhere in the world. War is an awful thing and changes a lot of great people and makes them killers to defend their lives and countries. I would like to have people in here have someone trying to take there life by shooting at them and see how they react.

Nothing for nothing, but everyone sitting here claiming that some how people have this respect for their enemy during the stresses of war is laughable. I'm not condoning what these guys have done or anyone in the past has done, but why don't some of you wake up and realize war is not a gentlemens game. The US is not the only country in the world with bad soliders. Its everywhere in the world. War is an awful thing and changes a lot of great people and makes them killers to defend their lives and countries. I would like to have people in here have someone trying to take there life by shooting at them and see how they react.

xscrapzx

Well said in war all bets are off. You can hear about war and be trained in combat but until the @#$% hits the fan you don't know jack. It can turn a good man into a section 8 and a strong man into a coward. Those that do make it leave part of themselves behind often the best part in the war zone. That is if you make it back in one piece. The only difference between most men is how you handle fear and stress. All it takes is one lapse and all the good deeds you have done in your life goes down the drain.

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

Your article is such trash it is pathetic. Not one fact is mentioned in it, just tossing out statistics at will. America does not target woman and children, you have NO CLUE how much we go through in the Air Force to NOT target women and children. You will NEVER know because we would never let people like you know. You are the type who would run and tell our enemies so they could use it against us even more than they do now. I can tell you for a fact we go far out of our way to avoid killing innocents, I am involved in the process.

This is your type in a nutshell.......

A high value member of the Taliban uses women and children as human shields against Americans, you are cool with that. Americans bomb the target not knowing there are human shields in the building, you blame us. It is pretty pathetic actually.

nunovlopes

I don't know. I saw video footage of American soldiers targeting a van with children inside and laughing about it. I saw video footage of American forces blowing up a building at the same time a man was causally passing by in front of it.

It's not that America targets women and children, but it seems to me you guys don't really care. You shrug it off with "collateral damage" and move on.

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] And if the army knows the Taliban is using civilians as shields and shoots anyway? Is that also "collateral damage"? Who's fault it is? Should the army be given a free pass just because the Taliban put a civilians shield? I think both using civilians as shields and dropping bombs on top of places where they know civilian will be harmed is disgusting no matter what excuse they use to justify it. kuraimen

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

Your article is such trash it is pathetic. Not one fact is mentioned in it, just tossing out statistics at will. America does not target woman and children, you have NO CLUE how much we go through in the Air Force to NOT target women and children. You will NEVER know because we would never let people like you know. You are the type who would run and tell our enemies so they could use it against us even more than they do now. I can tell you for a fact we go far out of our way to avoid killing innocents, I am involved in the process.

This is your type in a nutshell.......

A high value member of the Taliban uses women and children as human shields against Americans, you are cool with that. Americans bomb the target not knowing there are human shields in the building, you blame us. It is pretty pathetic actually.

vfibsux

I don't know. I saw video footage of American soldiers targeting a van with children inside and laughing about it. I saw video footage of American forces blowing up a building at the same time a man was causally passing by in front of it.

It's not that America targets women and children, but it seems to me you guys don't really care. You shrug it off with "collateral damage" and move on.

[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"][QUOTE="King-Kai"]

What's the big deal about murder? It's only hastening the inevitable. Why should people get all bent out of shape over something that's going to happen anyway? Meh.

almasdeathchild

At least the U.S. is not running torture chambers (we can discuss Gitmo and water-boarding another time, but these pale in comparison to what the enemy does) where we torment our captives with "chains, a bed - an iron bed that was still connected to a battery - knives and swords that were still covered in blood".

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"] Because others go to jail for it.whipassmt

At least the U.S. is not running torture chambers (we can discuss Gitmo and water-boarding another time, but these pale in comparison to what the enemy does) where we torment our captives with "chains, a bed - an iron bed that was still connected to a battery - knives and swords that were still covered in blood".

[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I don't know. I saw video footage of American soldiers targeting a van with children inside and laughing about it. I saw video footage of American forces blowing up a building at the same time a man was causally passing by in front of it.

It's not that America targets women and children, but it seems to me you guys don't really care. You shrug it off with "collateral damage" and move on.

Nibroc420

The are about 1.5 MILLION soliders on active duty in United States Military right now. How many examples out of that number can you cite as "a serious problem". You can't imagine the missions run just by the Army and nobody can tell you but it is a very large number. Time after time the job was done with NO collateral damage or crime or inccident. The same goes for the rest of the branches granted I have never seen the numbers. So you hold up a couple of people that did wrong when so much has gone right.

There is a word for that propaganda ie a load of horse **** Use your head for more than a hat rack.