Why don't christians call their god by his name?

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I can't imagine why.:? Had many a battle in OT with atheists back in the day. Perhaps because I don't follow the evangelicals here and call them out for their interpretations?LJS9502_basic

That, and your overall attitude. Though the impression you demonstrate on here might not be correlated with your true persona.

Eh, it was just an assumption, anyways.

Ahah, I'm not saying otherwise :P

You don't demonstrate it very often, however :V

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Ahah, I'm not saying otherwise :P

You don't demonstrate it very often, however :V

flordeceres

So the two options are:

YOURS: All the statements regarding Trinity should be taken into consideration for the model and even if one of them potentially contradicts the "model" then the "model" fails.

MINE: The Trinity "model" works, but sometimes statements made referring to it possibly contradict the model, due to them statements' necessity to convey more connotations or entirely different connotations, and because thats as much as language can express coherently and thats as much coherence as the human brain can maintain when recording such things.

Your problem is not so much with the "model" itself but how well its depicted in the Bible.

Teenaged

If one scripture potentially contradicts it, then yes, that model should be put into question.

However, what you're getting into is interpretation, and since everyones interpretations vary, it is near impossible to give a concrete answer. That's where faith also comes in. Since I don't have a faith, besides being agnostic, this isn't really important to me. But since I was raised to not believe in the Trinity, and have been shown some good reason not to believe in it, I'm confused on how some can believe it. It makes no sense to me how god can be Jesus in the flesh, and he can pray to his father in heaven (implying that god is praying to his father). The Trinity is just a confusing mess to me, and giving that no one directly answered my question if god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are one being, it seems the Trinity may be confusing others as well.

I bet most Christians don't even know what their God's name is. I'm just really curious why this is. I hear from christians calling all other gods names like lucifer, etc. but never mention or even know their own god's name and just use the term god.

import_fighter1

Cristians call him GOD because he is the one and only true god and there are a lot of names for GOD

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]

I bet most Christians don't even know what their God's name is. I'm just really curious why this is. I hear from christians calling all other gods names like lucifer, etc. but never mention or even know their own god's name and just use the term god.

Bl4cKHawk

Cristians call him GOD because he is the one and only true god and there are a lot of names for GOD

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

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Ahah, I'm not saying otherwise :P

You don't demonstrate it very often, however :V

LJS9502_basic

Am I in your Blacklist then

:V

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[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

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Ahah, I'm not saying otherwise :P

You don't demonstrate it very often, however :V

flordeceres

Am I in your Blacklist then

:V

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

So the two options are:

YOURS: All the statements regarding Trinity should be taken into consideration for the model and even if one of them potentially contradicts the "model" then the "model" fails.

MINE: The Trinity "model" works, but sometimes statements made referring to it possibly contradict the model, due to them statements' necessity to convey more connotations or entirely different connotations, and because thats as much as language can express coherently and thats as much coherence as the human brain can maintain when recording such things.

Your problem is not so much with the "model" itself but how well its depicted in the Bible.

dog64

If one scripture potentially contradicts it, then yes, that model should be put into question.

However, what you're getting into is interpretation, and since everyones interpretations vary, it is near impossible to give a concrete answer. That's where faith also comes in. Since I don't have a faith, besides being agnostic, this isn't really important to me. But since I was raised to not believe in the Trinity, and have been shown some good reason not to believe in it, I'm confused on how some can believe it. It makes no sense to me how god can be Jesus in the flesh, and he can pray to his father in heaven (implying that god is praying to his father). The Trinity is just a confusing mess to me, and giving that no one directly answered my question if god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are one being, it seems the Trinity may be confusing others as well.

Also you dont have to show that the model doesnt work in order to not believe in it. For instance even though to me it works, still it doesnt make me give any more credibility to the Bible. Also just because the model works doesnt mean that the Trinity exists.

A literary analysis that tries to make sense out of the Bible does not seek to give it validity but merely to show that its not logically absurd (which again "not logically absurd" =/= correct or truthful). So faith plays no role. At least not necessarily. Because I am not a Christian and yet it makes sense to me.

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Whaaaaa?

Lucifer is a fallen angel. Not God. :?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"] I'd say he's a pretty powerful angel then if he's supposedly responsible for so much violence. Don't you think if yahweh was this great god that there would be peace? It seems to me that if yahweh is the top god that he is the one responsible for the violence. Look how destructive yahweh was is the Old Testament. I don't think things have changed much.. Look how evil the world is becoming and has been. If yahweh is above lucifer in my opinion yahweh is the one responsible for the evil not lucifer.import_fighter1

Regardless of absurdness the Bible can make sense in a literary dimension. Thats the approach I am using. I am agnostic. I am not using the literary analysis to prove the Bible's validity but merely to establish what is true for every literary text. That it makes sense. Maybe it doesnt make sense in the way its main purpose seeks to make out of it, but it does make sense nonetheless in various parts.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"] I'd say he's a pretty powerful angel then if he's supposedly responsible for so much violence. Don't you think if yahweh was this great god that there would be peace? It seems to me that if yahweh is the top god that he is the one responsible for the violence. Look how destructive yahweh was is the Old Testament. I don't think things have changed much.. Look how evil the world is becoming and has been. If yahweh is above lucifer in my opinion yahweh is the one responsible for the evil not lucifer.import_fighter1

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

So the two options are:

YOURS: All the statements regarding Trinity should be taken into consideration for the model and even if one of them potentially contradicts the "model" then the "model" fails.

MINE: The Trinity "model" works, but sometimes statements made referring to it possibly contradict the model, due to them statements' necessity to convey more connotations or entirely different connotations, and because thats as much as language can express coherently and thats as much coherence as the human brain can maintain when recording such things.

Your problem is not so much with the "model" itself but how well its depicted in the Bible.

dog64

If one scripture potentially contradicts it, then yes, that model should be put into question.

However, what you're getting into is interpretation, and since everyones interpretations vary, it is near impossible to give a concrete answer. That's where faith also comes in. Since I don't have a faith, besides being agnostic, this isn't really important to me. But since I was raised to not believe in the Trinity, and have been shown some good reason not to believe in it, I'm confused on how some can believe it. It makes no sense to me how god can be Jesus in the flesh, and he can pray to his father in heaven (implying that god is praying to his father). The Trinity is just a confusing mess to me, and giving that no one directly answered my question if god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are one being, it seems the Trinity may be confusing others as well.

Has anyone else looked at it like yahweh is actually the evil one and lucifer got thrown away for disagreeing with him. If yahweh is the all powerful one look at all the evil and negative energy that is spread throughout the planet and always has been. If yahweh is the good guy and in control, things would be the exact opposite. There is so much hate and violence all throughout history. If yahweh is in control, he's not the good guy. If yahweh is the good god, he's not in control.import_fighter1

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="dog64"]

But many Christians believe that god's name is Jesus.

Pirate700

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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"] I thought they were separate entities?MetallicaKings

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]Has anyone else looked at it like yahweh is actually the evil one and lucifer got thrown away for disagreeing with him. If yahweh is the all powerful one look at all the evil and negative energy that is spread throughout the planet and always has been. If yahweh is the good guy and in control, things would be the exact opposite. There is so much hate and violence all throughout history. If yahweh is in control, he's not the good guy. If yahweh is the good god, he's not in control.Teenaged

Has anyone else looked at it like yahweh is actually the evil one and lucifer got thrown away for disagreeing with him. If yahweh is the all powerful one look at all the evil and negative energy that is spread throughout the planet and always has been. If yahweh is the good guy and in control, things would be the exact opposite. There is so much hate and violence all throughout history. If yahweh is in control, he's not the good guy. If yahweh is the good god, he's not in control.import_fighter1

Humanity needs to take responsibility for the things they did wrong in the past.

When God created man, he gave them the ability to do whatever they wanted, and have a conscience to help them make the right choices in life.

Sadly, because Eve had not matured fully in a spiritual sense, she succumbed to Lucifer's temptation and fell.

In order to right this wrong, people need to fix the problem themselves; you can't expect God to "make the world good". If peopledon't become good of their own free will, then they really haven't changed at all, no matter what God tries to do.

Another good analogy (imo) would be to see the Trinity like a starfish with 3 "appendages"/"tentacles".

We humans can only see the tentacles. The 3 tentacles are the 3 manifestations of God. All 3 tentacles come from the same "body" and are made of the same thing, and yet one tentacle is not the other as is natural. The 3 "tentacles" (the manifestations) are God's ways to reach out to us and simultanously the only things we can identify God as. Buit that doesnt mean that we cant detect a source.

Anyway the analogy does have weeknesses but so do all analogies. I hope its helpful *shrugs*.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]Has anyone else looked at it like yahweh is actually the evil one and lucifer got thrown away for disagreeing with him. If yahweh is the all powerful one look at all the evil and negative energy that is spread throughout the planet and always has been. If yahweh is the good guy and in control, things would be the exact opposite. There is so much hate and violence all throughout history. If yahweh is in control, he's not the good guy. If yahweh is the good god, he's not in control.import_fighter1

Here's the picture:

And the floodgates have opened! :o

:P

Another good analogy (imo) would be to see the Trinity like a starfish with 3 "appendages"/"tentacles".

We humans can only see the tentacles. The 3 tentacles are the 3 manifestations of God. All 3 tentacles come from the same "body" and are made of the same thing, and yet one tentacle is not the other as is natural. The 3 "tentacles" (the manifestations) are God's ways to reach out to us and simultanously the only things we can identify God as. Buit that doesnt mean that we cant detect a source.

Anyway the analogy does have weeknesses but so do all analogies. I hope its helpful *shrugs*.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Another good analogy (imo) would be to see the Trinity like a starfish with 3 "appendages"/"tentacles".

We humans can only see the tentacles. The 3 tentacles are the 3 manifestations of God. All 3 tentacles come from the same "body" and are made of the same thing, and yet one tentacle is not the other as is natural. The 3 "tentacles" (the manifestations) are God's ways to reach out to us and simultanously the only things we can identify God as. Buit that doesnt mean that we cant detect a source.

Anyway the analogy does have weeknesses but so do all analogies. I hope its helpful *shrugs*.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]Has anyone else looked at it like yahweh is actually the evil one and lucifer got thrown away for disagreeing with him. If yahweh is the all powerful one look at all the evil and negative energy that is spread throughout the planet and always has been. If yahweh is the good guy and in control, things would be the exact opposite. There is so much hate and violence all throughout history. If yahweh is in control, he's not the good guy. If yahweh is the good god, he's not in control.HipYoungster42

Humanity needs to take responsibility for the things they did wrong in the past.

When God created man, he gave them the ability to do whatever they wanted, and have a conscience to help them make the right choices in life.

Sadly, because Eve had not matured fully in a spiritual sense, she succumbed to Lucifer's temptation and fell.

In order to right this wrong, people need to fix the problem themselves; you can't expect God to "make the world good". If peopledon't become good of their own free will, then they really haven't changed at all, no matter what God tries to do.

[QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]Has anyone else looked at it like yahweh is actually the evil one and lucifer got thrown away for disagreeing with him. If yahweh is the all powerful one look at all the evil and negative energy that is spread throughout the planet and always has been. If yahweh is the good guy and in control, things would be the exact opposite. There is so much hate and violence all throughout history. If yahweh is in control, he's not the good guy. If yahweh is the good god, he's not in control.import_fighter1

Humanity needs to take responsibility for the things they did wrong in the past.

When God created man, he gave them the ability to do whatever they wanted, and have a conscience to help them make the right choices in life.

Sadly, because Eve had not matured fully in a spiritual sense, she succumbed to Lucifer's temptation and fell.

In order to right this wrong, people need to fix the problem themselves; you can't expect God to "make the world good". If peopledon't become good of their own free will, then they really haven't changed at all, no matter what God tries to do.

Apparently it's a form of blasphemy which doesn't make sense. If you want to know god and become his friend, why can't you know his name? It's nothing wrong saying Jehovah, unless you're in Monty Python :P

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

Humanity needs to take responsibility for the things they did wrong in the past.

When God created man, he gave them the ability to do whatever they wanted, and have a conscience to help them make the right choices in life.

Sadly, because Eve had not matured fully in a spiritual sense, she succumbed to Lucifer's temptation and fell.

In order to right this wrong, people need to fix the problem themselves; you can't expect God to "make the world good". If peopledon't become good of their own free will, then they really haven't changed at all, no matter what God tries to do.Setsa

A name implies human qualities.AllStar994

[QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]Has anyone else looked at it like yahweh is actually the evil one and lucifer got thrown away for disagreeing with him. If yahweh is the all powerful one look at all the evil and negative energy that is spread throughout the planet and always has been. If yahweh is the good guy and in control, things would be the exact opposite. There is so much hate and violence all throughout history. If yahweh is in control, he's not the good guy. If yahweh is the good god, he's not in control.import_fighter1

Humanity needs to take responsibility for the things they did wrong in the past.

When God created man, he gave them the ability to do whatever they wanted, and have a conscience to help them make the right choices in life.

Sadly, because Eve had not matured fully in a spiritual sense, she succumbed to Lucifer's temptation and fell.

In order to right this wrong, people need to fix the problem themselves; you can't expect God to "make the world good". If peopledon't become good of their own free will, then they really haven't changed at all, no matter what God tries to do.

Wait, so you're saying humans don't have free will?

I'm pretty sure we do.:?

Hmm, maybe you're just an alien.:P

There are many "names" of God but all of them are actually characteristics of who he is rather than what his name is. God is often called the Heavenly Father, Lord, God Almighty, etc. Even these names are actually descriptions. Within the Hebrew text God is given other names Elohim (means God but is in plural form to emphasize his greatness, El is god singular), and Adonai (Lord). In Greek he is often called Theos (God) and Kurios (Lord). Being that God is one part of the Trinitarian Godhead, the Holy Spirit and Jesus also have their own names. The Spirit of God also has its own descriptive names such as the Counselor. Jesus also has his own names, the Son of God, the Son of Man, the Son of Righteousness, Yeshua (Jesus in Hebrew, means YHWH is Savior), Emanuel (God with us), and Hosanna (a shout of praise, especially the praise of his saving power). The personal name of God in the Old Testament is Yahweh (sometimes spelled/pronounced Jehovah and comes from the Hebrew letters YHWH). This name is the one which defines who God is more than any other and was given to us by God himself. Exodus 3:13-14 states, "Moses said to God, 'Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?' God said to Moses, 'I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'" This name, Yahweh, comes from this passage and simply means "I am." What title is greater for the infinite and good God of the universe to be called "He is who he is!"? The name Yahweh was considered so holy to the Jewish people that they refused to say his name. In fear that they would say his name in vain, they simply refused to say it. Because of this refusal, when they wrote the name they would not spell it fully (like many who write "G*d"). As a result, we can only assume we are pronouncing it correctly (and hence the reason many say it is actually pronounced Jehovah). When reading the Hebrew text the Jews made a tradition of saying "Adonai" (Lord) instead of Yahweh. As a result, many times you see LORD written in the Bible it is actually saying Yahweh. Jesus refers to himself as Yahweh as well. In John 12:41 he speaks of Isaiah's vision of Yahweh in Isaiah 6. This text in John says that it was Jesus who was seated on the throne of God and called Yahweh. Being that all of these names are simply descriptions, it is okay to refer to God by a description of him. However, it is to be noted that Jesus is the only actual name that we have (which is actually a not-so-perfect transliteration from the original Hebrew). Yeshua is Jesus' name in the language of the Old Testament Hebrew. Jesus was referred to as Iesus (ee-ay-soos) in Greek. And in Jesus' main language of Aramaic he was referred to something very similar to Yeshua (being that the to languages are a lot alike).mindstorm

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]I don't really think there is a "free will". We are all so influenced in every single thing we do from the time we are born. Every decision we make are based off those influences. I don't consider that "free will".HipYoungster42

Wait, so you're saying humans don't have free will?

I'm pretty sure we do.:?

Hmm, maybe you're just an alien.:P

Christians God's name is Jesus, The Holy Spirit, and God, the Trinity. It's cause Christians don't call it "a" God, they call it "the" God.zeppelin_64

Because it gives the impression that it is "The God" not "a God" redwolf22

This is hillarious. God doesn't have a name! Christians just call him "god" or "the god".

[QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"]I don't really think there is a "free will". We are all so influenced in every single thing we do from the time we are born. Every decision we make are based off those influences. I don't consider that "free will".mindstorm

Wait, so you're saying humans don't have free will?

I'm pretty sure we do.:?

Hmm, maybe you're just an alien.:P

Yah, I agree with this. I don't think we're influenced so much, though, that humans can't be considered to have free will.

This is hillarious. God doesn't have a name! Christians just call him "god" or "the god".

MasterBolt360

[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="import_fighter1"] I don't really think there is a "free will". We are all so influenced in every single thing we do from the time we are born. Every decision we make are based off those influences. I don't consider that "free will".import_fighter1

but it's still silly that people accuse religion of shoving ideas down their throats, while they neglect the influence of the media : /Setsa

[QUOTE="zeppelin_64"]Christians God's name is Jesus, The Holy Spirit, and God, the Trinity. It's cause Christians don't call it "a" God, they call it "the" God.cs45F

So if we're all drones of the vast multitude of influences in this world, why target religion?Setsa

Until someone can more accurately translate hebrew.. Gods name in english is Jehovah

But you do have a good point TC and I really dont have an answer for you. Even the newest edition of the King James Version of the bible does away with Jehovah completely and replaces it with LORD. Why they did this I have no idea

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name LORD I was not known to them.

Yahweh was not the trinity up until jesus was "born". 2000 years ago. That's what I don't get about this trinity. He comes down as a human knowing what the results will be.. he sacrifices himself to save the world of sin yet nothing at all has changed in the way of sin. If fact I think the world has become more evil. What kind of a god is yahweh really?import_fighter1

Actually, there is a lot of evidence for the Trinity in the Old Testament. Even Genesis 1:2 mentions the "Spirit of God hovering above the waters." There are also "Christophanies" of Jesus in the Old Testament like Joshua 5:13-15, "Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, 'Are you for us or for our enemies?' 'Neither,' he replied, 'but as commander of the army of the LORD I have now come.' Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, 'What message does my Lord have for his servant?' The commander of the LORD's army replied, 'Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.' And Joshua did so."

The Trinity has always existed and Jesus existed as the 2nd person of the Trinity long before he humbled himself to be born of a virgin. Colossians goes as far as to say in 1:15-17, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

As far as the reason there is still sin and suffering in the world, he will do away with it at his second coming but he wants more people to know him first. If you look at Acts 1:6-8 his followers essentially ask, "Are you not going to restore this world right now?" He cuts them off and says in summary, "Go tell people about me." He wants people all over the world to know him and worship him. After enough have heard, then he will return. Btw, about 1/4 of the world has yet hear the name of Jesus. :(

And as far as evil in this world, it could possibly be even more evil than before. However, this evil shows us our need for Christ, his salvation, and his restoration. This is the gospel message, that through Christ all things can be made right.

[QUOTE="cs45F"][QUOTE="zeppelin_64"]Christians God's name is Jesus, The Holy Spirit, and God, the Trinity. It's cause Christians don't call it "a" God, they call it "the" God.dark-warmachine

They aren't the same thing.

God is just that: God.

Jesus was 100% human being.

And the Holy Ghost... not sure 'bout that one.:P

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]You could both be right but just defining "free will" differently. Personally, I believe we have a will of our own but our choices are often shaped by outside influence (and the Holy Spirit).HipYoungster42

Yah, I agree with this. I don't think we're influenced so much, though, that humans can't be considered to have free will.

Because it gives the impression that it is "The God" not "a God" redwolf22

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"] Wow that's a pretty horrible assumption.. where have I ever said I neglected everything else? This is just the current topic at hand..Setsa

[QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]You could both be right but just defining "free will" differently. Personally, I believe we have a will of our own but our choices are often shaped by outside influence (and the Holy Spirit).mindstorm

Yah, I agree with this. I don't think we're influenced so much, though, that humans can't be considered to have free will.

lol Sorry. I didn't understand a word you just said.:P

By the way, I'm a Unificationist.;)