Why everyone should accept homosexuality.

You think homosexuality is gross and "wrong"? Fine I am not asking you to change that opinion. However it is simply a fact that some people are just not attracted to the opposite sex if you dont believe that then you can walk out the thread before I continue.

Imagine your best friend is a gay but you dont know that? Not that I wont be close friends with a gay but it certainly changes the context and limitations of the friendship and I would definitely like to know that.

Imagine a girl you are chasing is actually a gay?

None of this is going to happen in a world where gays are openly accepted for what they are. To think that there are possibly some people in my life who are homosexual but dont reveal themselves out of fear is quite disturbing.

So see its not even about human rights and all, its just basic logic that everyone benefits in a world where gays are not afraid to call themselves homosexual.

Not that I wont be close friends with a gay but it certainly changes the context and limitations of the friendship

Gambler_3

How?

some people are of the opinion that being gay is just something going wrong in your brain or being influenced by something at some point in your life. as far as im aware this hasnt been proven wrong yet.
It has been.

these people dont want gay to be considered normal, because if the gays go prancing around telling everyone its ok to be gay, they might make their kids gay
That isn't going to happen. But it people's gay kids would feel better about themselves.

kids are easily influenced
I guessthat's why kids raised by straight parents in very anti-gay environments are never gay. Oh wait...

and look at all these weirdos coming out now with their no gender liberal bullshitcheese_game619

That really has nothing to do with homosexuality. You're thinking of lunatics on tumblr that think gay men are misogynists for not being attracted to women.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Not that I wont be close friends with a gay but it certainly changes the context and limitations of the friendship

Pffrbt

How?

There are also instances where a gay friend would be more valuable like you know he isnt going to get jealous from you if you have a really hot GF(he might get jealous of the GF but thats a different matter).

Let people be what they want I say, it's not like there ain't enough people attracted to the opposite sex to keep mankind going steady. Those parades however is just stupid, if they want to be accepted as normal human beings, keep the clothes on like normal people do when public.

In both cases I wouldnt want the other person to fall for me
You're not going to find this happening often.

because that would destroy the friendship so there has to be limitations.
Such as?

I wouldnt sleep on the same bed as a gay just like we dont normally sleep on the same bed as a female friend. Its all very simple.Gambler_3

you got a link for that proof, i would have thought it would have been a big enough deal for me to hear about it
The fact that it isn't considered a disorder rules out something going wrong in the brain, and the fact that the environment a kid is raised in has no relevance to their sexual orientation rules that out as well.

it doesnt matter unless you fish out that proof, because thats what they believe
Does being around people of another race make you that race? Does being around tall people make you tall?

thats a dumb argument, does every kid that was told to never smoke, never smoke?
That isn't comparable, smoking is a choice. Sexual orientation is not.

people are influenced in many ways, some of them subliminal and my final point does have to do with gays because thats the door being opened. thats moving the line back. so a bunch of other people are saying the line should be moved back further and getting wrapped up in the privilege bullshitcheese_game619

the fact that the environment a kid is raised in has no relevance to their sexual orientation rules that out as well.Pffrbt

smoking is a choice. Sexual orientation is not.Pffrbt

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]the fact that the environment a kid is raised in has no relevance to their sexual orientation rules that out as well.cheese_game619

smoking is a choice. Sexual orientation is not.Pffrbt

My god you're an idiot.  Why don't you prove it to the contrary?  Oh wait ... you can't.  You can only ask others to prove what you're too narrow minded to just let be.  But I suppose I'll indulge you and prove you wrong ... here.

That link is by the American Psychological Assocation.

Let's see here ...

"Many think nature and nurture both play complex roles: most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

"No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders."

Hmm ... I think that should be adequate proof.  However, do I think this will satisfy you?  No. because like I said, you're too narrow minded to even belief proof that someone submitted.  You're like the rest of the backwoods, bible huggers that live near me ... uneducated and painfully discriminatory.  Let's get an education and then perhaps your beliefs and perceptions will change.

"Many think nature and nurture both play complex roles: most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."jbc7343

[QUOTE="jbc7343"]"Many think nature and nurture both play complex roles: most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."cheese_game619

Exactly because you are already going to believe what you believe, nothing will change that, that's why you say "prove it" like some kindergartener on the school play ground.  However, if you're not willing to prove it to your benefit don't ask others to prove it to theirs.  Just makes you come off looking like an idiot who can't back up their own arguments.

You're not worth this.  You're not worth my attention.  I could post a dozen links to you and you would find a way to tear them apart and disprove every bit of logic.  That's how people like you are.  The fact of the matter is, homosexuality is not a choice, at least not for me.  I know that my body wouldn't cooperate with me.  That's a fact.  Am I saying that my example should be the definitive one?  In high school, it seemed to be a fad that girls would proclaim to be lesbian just because one popular girl decided to be.  That is not being gay, that is being a hipster and following the crowd.

Lastly, one question for you:  How would you handle it if you had a son or daughter and they turned out to be gay?  Would you still love them for them?  I mean you would little choice you would think ... but like you so eloquently put above a little bit of choice is still choice.  Am I right?

And to clear up one thing.  There is a fine line between gay and bisexual.  Gay people don't have a choice.  Biseuxals can go either way which would give the illiusion to some that gay people have choices also.  This is contrary.

Have a pleasant day.

Exactly because you are already going to believe what you believe, nothing will change that, that's why you say "prove it" like some kindergartener on the school play ground.  However, if you're not willing to prove it to your benefit don't ask others to prove it to theirs.  Just makes you come off looking like an idiot who can't back up their own arguments.jbc7343

You're not worth this.  You're not worth my attention.  I could post a dozen links to you and you would find a way to tear them apart and disprove every bit of logic.  That's how people like you are.  The fact of the matter is, homosexuality is not a choice, at least not for me.  I know that my body wouldn't cooperate with me.  That's a fact.  Am I saying that my example should be the definitive one?  In high school, it seemed to be a fad that girls would proclaim to be lesbian just because one popular girl decided to be.  That is not being gay, that is being a hipster and following the crowd.jbc7343

Lastly, one question for you:  How would you handle it if you had a son or daughter and they turned out to be gay?  Would you still love them for them?  I mean you would little choice you would think ... but like you so eloquently put above a little bit of choice is still choice.  Am I right?jbc7343

[QUOTE="jbc7343"]"Many think nature and nurture both play complex roles: most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."cheese_game619

You're not going to find this happening often.

So are you saying you regularly sleep with your straight guy friends?

Pffrbt

Nope but I do when we go on vacations or when we do a night stay at a friends place.

I'm sorry but that paragraph you just wrote. It's so poorly written and makes little to no sense. You contradicted yourself and explained the reason you are more open minded is because you can see flaws. Do you realise the amount of stupid that came out of your own post?Chicken453

 

So see its not even about human rights and all, its just basic logic that everyone benefits in a world where gays are not afraid to call themselves homosexual.

Gambler_3

Personally my friends confide in me regarding their sexual orientation, as they do about everything else, possibly because I'm not the kind of person to refer to someone who is homosexual as 'a gay'.

I've already accepted it. Don't have a problem with it.

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]smoking is a choice. Sexual orientation is not.cheese_game619

Actually there has been very strong evidence for many years that sexual orientation comes from significant differences in brain formation likely to happen in the womb, and so is generally linked to a biological influence, rather than being a choice.

Besides that the notion that we should all accept homosexuality, which is being argued in this thread, is a simple notion that shouldn't need to be reasoned like the OP feels the need to. It is about accepting everyone and giving them the freedom to live their lives the same as everyone else.

NOW I CAN'T HATE PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?

WELL, SORRY. I THOUGHT THIS WAS 'MURICA! 

The concept of homosexuality itself I don't find gross. To me, they're (homosexuals) just people. It's what two dudes do behind closed doors that I find gross.

The concept of homosexuality itself I don't find gross. To me, they're (homosexuals) just people. It's what two dudes do behind closed doors that I find gross.

jun_aka_pekto

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The concept of homosexuality itself I don't find gross. To me, they're (homosexuals) just people. It's what two dudes do behind closed doors that I find gross.

Renevent42

I have a similar view. Live and let live. However, the gross feeling for me is both psychological and physiological. No way around it. Two guys going at it simply doesn't compute for me. However, I seem to have no problems watching two women go at it. :lol:

I saw plenty of the latter the last time I visited Miami Beach/Key West.   

the more gay men the better the chances of all the gs folk landing a date with a woman....comp_atkins

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So see its not even about human rights and all, its just basic logic that everyone benefits in a world where gays are not afraid to call themselves homosexual.

alim298

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"][QUOTE="Pffrbt"] prove it [QUOTE="Pffrbt"]smoking is a choice. Sexual orientation is not.jbc7343

My god you're an idiot.  Why don't you prove it to the contrary?  Oh wait ... you can't.  You can only ask others to prove what you're too narrow minded to just let be.  But I suppose I'll indulge you and prove you wrong ... here.

That link is by the American Psychological Assocation.

Let's see here ...

"Many think nature and nurture both play complex roles: most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

"No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders."

Hmm ... I think that should be adequate proof.  However, do I think this will satisfy you?  No. because like I said, you're too narrow minded to even belief proof that someone submitted.  You're like the rest of the backwoods, bible huggers that live near me ... uneducated and painfully discriminatory.  Let's get an education and then perhaps your beliefs and perceptions will change.

I'm sorry but this isn't "proof." This is merely what psychologists believe today. They used to believe it was a disorder. It could change again in a couple of years. I wouldn't even consider this page evidence.

I spent 5 years studying psychology and graduated with my honours degree a couple of years ago. I did a directed study my senior year in prejudice and discrimination with the majority of my research concerning homosexuality. There is a LOT of evidence supporting that homosexuality has a genetic component. However, there isn't any definitive proof. There may never be. I personally agree that it's genetic. But I remain open to the possibility that it's not. However, I personally think the cause is irrelevant. People should be free to do as they please if they aren't hurting anybody. It's as simple as that. My research and goals are primarily geared towards reducing prejudice and discrimination. 

Pot head persecution is a lot tougher than homosexuality persecution. playmynutz

You could be right, but persecution of homosexuality is still ridiculously high. I haven't seen any empirical research concerning marijuana use but I suspect it's fairly serious as well based on what I've seen. And I am against discrimination based on marijuana use.

However, this is a thread about homosexuality. Whether or not your issue is more serious, both issues are serious and should be addressed. Your comment seems to imply that because pot head persecution is worse we should stop worrying about homosexuality and address that instead. I disagree. 

Who cares if it's a choice or not? (I definitely think it is not a choice, for the record) Even if it were a choice, people should have the freedom to have consenting relationships with whomever they want. Just cus your religion says this or that, or this or that bothers you...so what!

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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Not that I wont be close friends with a gay but it certainly changes the context and limitations of the friendship

Gambler_3

How?

There are also instances where a gay friend would be more valuable like you know he isnt going to get jealous from you if you have a really hot GF(he might get jealous of the GF but thats a different matter).

Here is where I have a question. Why does it seem common for certain guys to believe that if you know someone who is gay that they would automatically fall for you? Do you find every girl attractive? If that answer is no, then why would it be true for the gay guy? I just find it weird that a lot of guys get uncomfortable around homosexuals, because all of a sudden they think they are going to be hit on by them. 

Here is where I have a question. Why does it seem common for certain guys to believe that if you know someone who is gay that they would automatically fall for you? 

StrifeDelivery

It's a mix of latent homophobia, stupidity and "My mom says I'm a handsome fellow." Gay men having crushes wtith heterosexual men is as rare as heterosexual men having crushes with one of those hardcore flannel wearing stone cold lesbians. Not that all lesbians fall into that stereotype, of course, but stereotypes exist in real life, just look at bucked20 or kingkongnumbersnumbers. 

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

Here is where I have a question. Why does it seem common for certain guys to believe that if you know someone who is gay that they would automatically fall for you? 

LordQuorthon

It's a mix of latent homophobia, stupidity and "My mom says I'm a handsome fellow." Gay men having crushes wtith heterosexual men is as rare as heterosexual men having crushes with one of those hardcore flannel wearing stone cold lesbians. Not that all lesbians fall into that stereotype, of course, but stereotypes exist in real life, just look at bucked20 or kingkongnumbersnumbers. 

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[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

Here is where I have a question. Why does it seem common for certain guys to believe that if you know someone who is gay that they would automatically fall for you? 

Bucked20

It's a mix of latent homophobia, stupidity and "My mom says I'm a handsome fellow." Gay men having crushes wtith heterosexual men is as rare as heterosexual men having crushes with one of those hardcore flannel wearing stone cold lesbians. Not that all lesbians fall into that stereotype, of course, but stereotypes exist in real life, just look at bucked20 or kingkongnumbersnumbers. 

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Not that I wont be close friends with a gay but it certainly changes the context and limitations of the friendship

Gambler_3

How?

There are also instances where a gay friend would be more valuable like you know he isnt going to get jealous from you if you have a really hot GF(he might get jealous of the GF but thats a different matter).

Hypocritical Americans, think being gay is okay until its their son or daughter, then its all wrong.

lawl

If you are not with the one you love, love the one you are with, simple stuff really!

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]smoking is a choice. Sexual orientation is not.cheese_game619

When i was 6, i didn't play doctor with the girl next door because i wanted to be one.

and i hadno interest of playing the game with dudes.

my sexuality was being defined while i was still laughing at the word, and so are most peoples.

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"][QUOTE="Pffrbt"]smoking is a choice. Sexual orientation is not.Jimn_tonic

When i was 6, i didn't play doctor with the girl next door because i wanted to be one.

and i hadno interest of playing the game with dudes.

my sexuality was being defined while i was still laughing at the word, and so are most peoples.

there you go everyone, the scientific prove that sexual orientation is not a choice, Jim_tonic disinterest in playing with dudes is what we needed all that time.