Why is it morally objectionable to allow illegal immigrants to get healthcare?

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Why can't we get rid of the ER?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] No matter if you like it or not...we are a Christian based country (this is not debatable, it is even on our money). Those original beliefs (right or wrong) permeate everything. Part of that is to help those in need. This will not change. If hospital workers see someone about to die, they will help them...end of story. It is part of the very fabric of our country...which you are free to disagree with (another great thing about this country) Not every other country is like this. I have read about others where you must show proof of insurance NO MATTER WHAT before they will do anything for you. I for one prefer our way...others on here feel differently I would rather live in a place that helps first and asks questions later, rather than the oppositeVandalvideo

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Anything is possible...but not probable. We could go to a "show insurance first country" But you better hope you have proof on you if you get into a bad accident or you are screwed... To answer your question: This could happen, but never will We will always help people about to die on a hospital's doorstepVandalvideo

You are right, using your extreme logic anything is possible.
So the answer to anything you ask is "yes", there is always some possibility...
even if it is
.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
...there is still a chance.

I found a clip that best represents your line of thinking
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The government option won't be free. it will cost slightly less than a private insurance policy, or slightly more yet give you more coverage for the dollar.

If illegals are denied than we pay for their healthcare through our emergency room bills. we DO pay for illegals RIGHT NOW... thats what those clowns don't tell you, giving anyone foreign or domestic the option to BUY our healthcare plan will put MORE money into the program itself.

This depends on if Obamas plan for a SELF SUSTAINED program works out. in a program that cost ZERO what is the harm in covering illegals? nothing, if the plan works then we would actually save money by covering them because we wouldn't pay for their rediculous emergency room bills like we do right now.

But, who knows how it will all work out, its a chance we may need to take.

Fear of change is the easiest fear to spread. even if the status quo is 100% guaranteed to kill you people are afraid of change. Republicans base their entire ideology off of fear in a changing world. There is plenty to fear, lets market that fear and run for office!

Meejoe27

Because they're not US citizens. Because they don't pay taxes and don't pay into the system that would provide healthcare. Because the US can't afford to subsidize the healthcare of non us citizens. If you feel that people from third world nations should have better healthcare, by all means pay for it with your own money.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Ontain"] because we try to be a civil society ? ;) Ontain

I would presume the obvious answer would be that they do not pay taxes that they would were they a lawful resident; therefore they are taking out without giving in what others are expected to give in.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] That speaks more to why we probably won't, not why we can't.FragStains

You don't carry ID or an insurance card on you?FragStains

or if you're at your gym and pass out (stuff in locker but no one's going to get it)

someone beat you up and stole them fire in your house and you ran out but didn't get your id, etc.

plenty of cases where you wouldn't have the info but even if you did would you want them to waste time verifying the info (which could be fakes) rather than doing the expensive procedures to save your life and worrying about the bill later? also drivers ID doesn't mean your legal in some states.

[QUOTE="FragStains"]You don't carry ID or an insurance card on you?Ontain

or if you're at your gym and pass out (stuff in locker but no one's going to get it)

someone beat you up and stole them fire in your house and you ran out but didn't get your id, etc.

plenty of cases where you wouldn't have the info but even if you did would you want them to waste time verifying the info (which could be fakes) rather than doing the expensive procedures to save your life and worrying about the bill later? also drivers ID doesn't mean your legal in some states.

[QUOTE="Meejoe27"]

The government option won't be free. it will cost slightly less than a private insurance policy, or slightly more yet give you more coverage for the dollar.

If illegals are denied than we pay for their healthcare through our emergency room bills. we DO pay for illegals RIGHT NOW... thats what those clowns don't tell you, giving anyone foreign or domestic the option to BUY our healthcare plan will put MORE money into the program itself.

This depends on if Obamas plan for a SELF SUSTAINED program works out. in a program that cost ZERO what is the harm in covering illegals? nothing, if the plan works then we would actually save money by covering them because we wouldn't pay for their rediculous emergency room bills like we do right now.

But, who knows how it will all work out, its a chance we may need to take.

Fear of change is the easiest fear to spread. even if the status quo is 100% guaranteed to kill you people are afraid of change. Republicans base their entire ideology off of fear in a changing world. There is plenty to fear, lets market that fear and run for office!

FragStains

Or we could just keep paying their hospital bills like we do now and never ask for a dime.

you sir are brilliant, just give them 100% free coverage, that will teach them to break into our country.

Hey Illegals, Want to pay for your hospital bill? Well too bad, we won't let you, this one is on the tax payer, take that illegals!

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Meejoe27"]

The government option won't be free. it will cost slightly less than a private insurance policy, or slightly more yet give you more coverage for the dollar.

If illegals are denied than we pay for their healthcare through our emergency room bills. we DO pay for illegals RIGHT NOW... thats what those clowns don't tell you, giving anyone foreign or domestic the option to BUY our healthcare plan will put MORE money into the program itself.

This depends on if Obamas plan for a SELF SUSTAINED program works out. in a program that cost ZERO what is the harm in covering illegals? nothing, if the plan works then we would actually save money by covering them because we wouldn't pay for their rediculous emergency room bills like we do right now.

But, who knows how it will all work out, its a chance we may need to take.

Fear of change is the easiest fear to spread. even if the status quo is 100% guaranteed to kill you people are afraid of change. Republicans base their entire ideology off of fear in a changing world. There is plenty to fear, lets market that fear and run for office!

Meejoe27

Or we could just keep paying their hospital bills like we do now and never ask for a dime.

you sir are brilliant, just give them 100% free coverage, that will teach them to break into our country.

Hey Illegals, Want to pay for your hospital bill? Well too bad, we won't let you, this one is on the tax payer, take that illegals!

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

The sort of responses to my point are quite disturbing. You seem to treat the welfare state as some kind of exchange between poor people (the recipients of said welfare) and the Government. I disagree entirely. The welfare state exists IN ORDER TO provide welfare, healthcare, and other basic services to people *who cannot afford* to pay for said services on their own

Not that I agree one iota with the welfare state, but I think there is a gross misunderstanding of the moral principle that founds the welfare state.

avatar_genius

The problem is, while welfare etc serves a good intention, it causes dependancy and abuse of the system and takes away incentive.

...lol, this coming from a poster who has a milton friedman quote in his sig, no less, supporting government welfare, oh well ....

I think it is common sense right? I mean they do not deserve to have free healthcare. Why? Well because they are not contributing to the country. In order to support this so called public healthcare system it comes out of our paychecks. Illegal immigrants are either not working or aren't getting paid by check because they don't have a social.

xscrapzx

Some people really seem to be misunderstanding my sentiment.

First, I DO NOT AGREE with any sort of government welfare. I dont agree with Government in the first place, hence why I am an anarchist.

My post was to clarify one certain problem I have with the people promoting Government healthcare, and that is that they do not want to extend this coverage to "illegal aliens".

Now there was one point that I could sympathize with, and that was that if we gave welfare to illegal immigrants, lots of immigrants would come to America BECAUSE of the free healthcare and other benefits, and that would be simply unsustainable (Hence why Paul Krugman supports cracking down on illegal aliens).

But I am simply taken aback by the replies which argue along the lines that illegal immigrants "Dont deserve" free healthcare because they "didn't contribute" to it. This is absolutely absurd. The purpose of the welfare state is to give housing, food, and healthcare to *people who CANNOT pay for it*. The illegal immigrants would be very people who are in most need of these services because they could never afford it on their own.

That was the moral contradiction i was pointing out. I think welfare statists need to stop abdigating to the xenophobes on the "right"