Why Marijuana SHOULDN'T Be Legal

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Big surprise, OT is heavily in favor of legalizing weed... Ironic how TC gets blasted for not providing facts and evidence yet one of the strongest arguments for its legalization is that it would cut down on crime and provide an enormously large source of revenue, both of which are also pure "conjecture."UCF_Knight

:P Yes, but you have to consider the unknown. We have no idea what would happen if 25% of america smoked weed, even occasionally.

Good point, but one could argue that anyone who is going to break the law and smoke weed, would be like this in the first place.

lol at weed being worse for you than cigs...

No one has ever gotten lung cancer or emphazima from pot...

The fact that NOBODY smokes anything with a water bong is why tobbaco and weed are so bad for us in the first place. Don't boil itand take the vapor, just light iton fire and inhale the smoke.

Good point, but one could argue that anyone who is going to break the law and smoke weed, would be like this in the first place.dunl12496

The fact that NOBODY smokes anything with a water bong is why tobbaco and weed are so bad for us in the first place. Don't boil itand take the vapor, just light iton fire and inhale the smoke.

MagnumPI

You can't carry that in your manpouch though.

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]Good point, but one could argue that anyone who is going to break the law and smoke weed, would be like this in the first place.UCF_Knight

Why do you care? Let people do what they please... we live in America...

No one can give me a good reason why is matters if people smoke pot... it makes no sense...

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]Good point, but one could argue that anyone who is going to break the law and smoke weed, would be like this in the first place.UCF_Knight

Yes true, once again I go back and forth. I say start with one state. Give those cali hippies what they want! :o

They are worse for you than cigarretes. But they are sort of better, due to the fact that they aren't as addictive.

dunl12496

False, marijuana is healthier than tobacco.

If it were to become legal, what do you think drug dealers would do? Give up? No, I say this: the people who sell drugs will push to sell harder dangerous drugs such as crack, and heroin, among other things. Not only that but marijuana does impact your thinking and motor skills.

dunl12496

Push them harder? IMO if marijuana were legalized less people would even pay attention to drug dealers. Usually the fact that marijuana is healthy (compared to other drugs) but still illegal makes people realize that the government isn't always right. This would lead to them being more curious about other drugs that the government thinks are wrong.

I also think that they would increase in crimes, robbery ETC... To make the money.

dunl12496

I could say the same if cookies were illegal, but there's no way to prove or disprove it unless it is put to the test.

Why do you care?heysharpshooter

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="dunl12496"]Good point, but one could argue that anyone who is going to break the law and smoke weed, would be like this in the first place.heysharpshooter

Why do you care? Let people do what they please... we live in America...

No one can give me a good reason why is matters if people smoke pot... it makes no sense...

It would save more lives to require exercise...

I say start with one state. Give those cali hippies what they want! :odunl12496

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Big surprise, OT is heavily in favor of legalizing weed... Ironic how TC gets blasted for not providing facts and evidence yet one of the strongest arguments for its legalization is that it would cut down on crime and provide an enormously large source of revenue, both of which are also pure "conjecture."UCF_Knight

:P Yes, but you have to consider the unknown. We have no idea what would happen if 25% of america smoked weed, even occasionally.

when i was in high school booze was the hardest thing to get drugs were much easier to get because criminals sold them to anyone that had money.

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Big surprise, OT is heavily in favor of legalizing weed... Ironic how TC gets blasted for not providing facts and evidence yet one of the strongest arguments for its legalization is that it would cut down on crime and provide an enormously large source of revenue, both of which are also pure "conjecture."UCF_Knight

:P Yes, but you have to consider the unknown. We have no idea what would happen if 25% of america smoked weed, even occasionally.

There are burn-outs who smoke weed. There are doctors who smoke weed. Marijuana usage stretches across all demographics just like alcohol usage.

I think the real reason Marijuana is illegal is to keep pro-marijuana peoplebusy. Whilethey spend all oftheir time trying to reason for legalization of marijuanathey arenot fighting to legalize Coca or something else. It won't stop with marijuana.

My solution: let people do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights. fidosim

Oh but that would make too much sense.

There are burn-outs who smoke weed. There are doctors who smoke weed. Marijuana usage stretches across all demographics just like alcohol usage.worlock77

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] True, but at least there's some sort of punishment system to try to discourage such behavior. That, and if legalization were to occur, I think people who may have previously stayed away from drugs might decide to give it a go. (which contrary to popular opinion, I don't believe that would be a good thing..)dunl12496

Why do you care? Let people do what they please... we live in America...

No one can give me a good reason why is matters if people smoke pot... it makes no sense...

It would save more lives to require exercise...

Why is that any of your buisness? Why do you want the government to control what you do in your free time? Mandatory exercise would make people healthier in somer circumstances, but thats not what America is about...

UCF Knight did not provide a legitamate reason for why he/she cares if people smoke it either...

I am still waiting...

[QUOTE="worlock77"]There are burn-outs who smoke weed. There are doctors who smoke weed. Marijuana usage stretches across all demographics just like alcohol usage.UCF_Knight

I think it's a case of using to excess or in moderation. The burn-outs probably use it excessively, and the doctors more moderately. Seems like the most logical explanation.

My solution: let people do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights. fidosim

This. For everything. Crack does, marijuana might.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"] I have already stated why I do not wish to encourage the smoking of pot based on personal experience. (And even discussed this with another user.) If you choose not to read certain parts of my posts, I can not help or lessen your waiting condition.UCF_Knight

No, you did not...

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]Why do you care?UCF_Knight

That was your response to my question... not much in the way of personal experience there... although I am sure you are a nice person(this is nothing personal, BTW)

Can't fix the quote... dang...

No, you did not...heysharpshooter

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]No, you did not...UCF_Knight

The few pot smokers I somewhat associate myself with have not portrayed the happy go lucky, model citizen OT likes to portray most weed smokers out to be. An (ex)friend of mine started off going to the same college with great grades and everything. A few months went by and his apartment smelled like weed all the time, and he got kicked out of our university. Similar situations have happened with other people I have known. I have yet to see the ordinary person that occasionally smokes weed and doesn't let it negatively affect their lives whatsoever. Once I see this portrait of a picturesque weed smoker that OT loves to paint, maybe I'll re-evaluate my viewpoint, but as of now, I see no reason why marijuana should be legalized. UCF_Knight

My question remains unanswered... why do you care what people do? So you care what your friends do, I get that. They are friends, not people.

Why do you care about someone you have never met smoking pot? Why does that effect you and your life? In what way does that negativly effect you?

Also, consider this: lets say your college friend got kicked out of school because he was a drunkard... should we make alchohol illegal as well?

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]No, you did not...UCF_Knight

The few pot smokers I somewhat associate myself with have not portrayed the happy go lucky, model citizen OT likes to portray most weed smokers out to be. An (ex)friend of mine started off going to the same college with great grades and everything. A few months went by and his apartment smelled like weed all the time, and he got kicked out of our university. Similar situations have happened with other people I have known. I have yet to see the ordinary person that occasionally smokes weed and doesn't let it negatively affect their lives whatsoever. Once I see this portrait of a picturesque weed smoker that OT loves to paint, maybe I'll re-evaluate my viewpoint, but as of now, I see no reason why marijuana should be legalized. UCF_Knight

You do realize that the only reason that marijuana ruined these people's lives was because it is illegal. This is a good example of why it should be legalized, not stay illegal.

They are friends, not people.heysharpshooter

Why do you care about someone you have never met smoking pot? Why does that effect you and your life? In what way does that negativly effect you?

Also, consider this: lets say your college friend got kicked out of school because he was a drunkard... should we make alchohol illegal as well?

You do realize that the only reason that marijuana ruined these people's lives was because it is illegal. This is a good example of why it should be legalized, not stay illegal.Ramen1020

I gave an example of someone I know who started dating and let it ruin his life, at the moment. I've also recently seen a coworker of mine (that I actually liked) fired because he let dating become too much a part of his life. Based on my personal experiences, why would I encourage such behavior? I've never seen someone's life enhanced by dating. Nor have I seen someone who dated and never let it affect his/her life in a negative fashion. Sure OT may have great personal experience with people who date, but I haven't been as fortunate. There's nothing I have seen to make me think, "Hey you know.. that's not so bad after all, maybe we should all date and everyone can enjoy it."UCF_Knight

And if you see wut I did thar :P.

The primary difference is that one is already legal, and historically impossible to prohibit. While the other is currently illegal. Alcohol affects many lives in a negative fashion as well, but I've never been a fan of the thinking "well we let people drink alcohol, why not let them smoke weed too?"UCF_Knight

Weed is Americas number 1 cash crop... thats the definition of impossible to prohibit.... by that standard, we should make it legal...

As for your personal experiences... sorry for your friend, but I don't care... it was not my personal experience...

I had a bad experience with a dog once... it bit me and it got infected... do I go around saying all dogs should be euthansized? No...

Why? Because my personal experince should not cloud the actual issue...

[QUOTE="Ramen1020"]You do realize that the only reason that marijuana ruined these people's lives was because it is illegal. This is a good example of why it should be legalized, not stay illegal.UCF_Knight

"An (ex)friend of mine started off going to the same college with great grades and everything. A few months went by and his apartment smelled like weed all the time, and he got kicked out of our university."

You clearly state that this person got good grades, but got kicked out for smoking. This means that because it is illegal, he got kicked out of college.

If you continue with this logic you will find that if it were legal this person would still be in uni.

That's how I see it at least.

[QUOTE="Ramen1020"]You do realize that the only reason that marijuana ruined these people's lives was because it is illegal. This is a good example of why it should be legalized, not stay illegal.UCF_Knight

You clearly state that this person got good grades, but got kicked out for smokingRamen1020

Why? Because my personal experince should not cloud the actual issue...heysharpshooter

If marijuana was to become legal, it would be run by tobacco companiesdunl12496

[QUOTE="Ramen1020"]You clearly state that this person got good grades, but got kicked out for smokingUCF_Knight

Why? Because my personal experince should not cloud the actual issue...heysharpshooter

There are things called facts... these facts can be used to form this concept called an educated opinion...

Your opinion is called a reactionary opinion... it is based off a single negative situation instead of facts...

You have not provided any facts to back up your statement of maintaing prohibition...

I have already provided facts backing legalization...which you have left out of your quoted posts, I might add...

Do you have any facts to back up your opinions? Or is your opinion based solely on a single situation?

Thanks for your pointless opinion backed up by no evidence whatsoever. angrules23

I have never seen one good argument supporting the criminilization of marijuana.

[QUOTE="angrules23"]Thanks for your pointless opinion backed up by no evidence whatsoever. ImaPirate0202

I have never seen one good argument supporting the decriminilization of marijuana.

I think the argument that there's no good reason to make it illegal is good enough, don't you?

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]If marijuana was to become legal, it would be run by tobacco companiesyabbicoke

They'll find a way.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]Why? Because my personal experince should not cloud the actual issue...UCF_Knight

Ah, I was under the impression that your friend was caught smoking and kicked out, while still maintaining his grades.

But you are kind of twisting sharpshooters words around, I think he's saying you can't base a whole issue on one person's experiences. You should take everyone's expiriences and use them to form your opinion.

That being said, I do notice that most people that I know smoke marijuana do let their grades slip, but IMO a big part of that is because marijuana is sort of marketed to the less inteligent, sort of saying, "well, you're already dumb, so you might as well have some fun."

However, after I started smoking (I don't smoke often at all) my grades started raising. I felt that if I was going to smoke I had to try harder so I woudn't lose my grip.

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[QUOTE="angrules23"]Thanks for your pointless opinion backed up by no evidence whatsoever. raynimrod

I have never seen one good argument supporting the decriminilization of marijuana.

I think the argument that there's no good reason to make it illegal is good enough, don't you?

Whoops, I meant to say criminalization, my bad.

Your opinion is called a reactionary opinion... it is based off a single negative situation instead of facts...heysharpshooter

And if you see wut I did thar :Praynimrod

[QUOTE="angrules23"]Thanks for your pointless opinion backed up by no evidence whatsoever. ImaPirate0202

I have never seen one good argument supporting the decriminilization of marijuana.

Marjuana is already the United States #1 cash crop. Prohibition has already failed.

Marjiuana has documented medical benifits.

Marjiuana is significantly less dangerous than alcholol, which is legal, and better for you than tobacco, which is legal.

Marijuana offenders make up large amounts of the inmate population, costing the tax payers millions of dollard to house. Their crime? Possesesing small amounts of marjuiana.

Drug Cartels use lobbyists in Washington to keep Marjuiana illegal. Why? Because if it was made legal, they would be out of buisness.

The US government could tax marijuana sales, leading to billions of dollars in tax revenue

[QUOTE="angrules23"]Thanks for your pointless opinion backed up by no evidence whatsoever. ImaPirate0202

I have never seen one good argument supporting the decriminilization of marijuana.

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[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]

I have never seen one good argument supporting the decriminilization of marijuana.

I think the argument that there's no good reason to make it illegal is good enough, don't you?

Whoops, I meant to say criminilization, my bad.

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[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]

I have never seen one good argument supporting the decriminilization of marijuana.

ImaPirate0202

I think the argument that there's no good reason to make it illegal is good enough, don't you?

Whoops, I meant to say criminalization, my bad.

You might want to edit your post then. A lot of people are reading what I read haha :P

well...

Ok, first before I start, I am not positive either way. I go back and forth. But I believe no it shouldn't here's why.

If marijuana was to become legal, it would be run by tobacco companies, increasing amount of daily users, and users who will use it like cigarretes. They are worse for you than cigarretes. But they are sort of better, due to the fact that they aren't as addictive. just because something is unhealthy doesnt mean it should be illegal. WE should be able to make those decisions for ourselves, not have the government force us. saying that is the same as saying fast food, alchohol, cigarretes, and whatever else the government deems unhealthy should also be illegal.

If it were to become legal, what do you think drug dealers would do? Give up? No, I say this: the people who sell drugs will push to sell harder dangerous drugs such as crack, and heroin, among other things. probably so, but it will also help reduce that at the same time. pot is, by far, any dealers best selling product. the dealers take people who only want pot, and convince them to start getting the harder stuff (more expensive and more addictive, a win/win for the dealer). that wouldn't happen anymore, as everyone who just wants pot would go to a store, where no one is trying to convince them to do harder stuff. the only people who would get the harder stuff are people who already want it in the first place. Not only that but marijuana does impact your thinking and motor skills. as does alchohol, a perfectly legal substance. you can't say one should be legal and the other shouldn't with that reasoning.

I also think that they would increase in crimes, robbery ETC... To make the money. who? the dealers? yes, that's certainly possible, as that happened after prohibition ended IIRC. but guess what? things died down after a while, just as they would do if pot were legalized. we shouldn't let a small blip in the crime rate (actually, considering that pot wouldnt be illegal, we might actually see the crime rate go down a bit) affect which laws we pass/repeal. that's essentially terrorism.

Here's my solution. Keep it illegall. The only problem is illegall marijuana could be dangerous. People have been known to have seizures. So my advice? Stay away from Mary Jane.

dunl12496

as it is right now, literally anyone, even a child, can easily get their hands on it. why? because it's completely unregulated. dealers dont care who they sell to. why not regulate it and put it in stores where people can be carded to buy it? regulated also means a safer product. not only that, but it will provide a nice boost to the economy.

the only "downside" i see to it being legal is that a lot more people would smoke it for a few years until the "WOO! pot's legal!" phase blew over.