Why Marijuana SHOULDN'T Be Legal

Marajuana should stay illegal because its illegal status pisses off liberals and stoners.

Marajuana should stay illegal because its illegal status pisses off liberals and stoners.

Espada12

Hey I've been a staunch supporter of asexual reproduction for quite some time, you're barking up the wrong tree. :PUCF_Knight

Oh really? Well now I really am intrigued! :o

Marajuana should stay illegal because its illegal status pisses off liberals and stoners.

Espada12

Marajuana should stay illegal because its illegal status pisses off liberals and stoners.

Espada12

Sure OT may have great personal experience with pot users, but I haven't been as fortunate. There's nothing I have seen to make me think, "Hey you know.. that's not so bad after all, maybe we should let it be legal so everyone can enjoy it."UCF_Knight

It's not a matter of "making it legal so everyone can enjoy it". It's a matter of making it legal in recognition of the fact that prohibition is a failure of epic proportions. There have been a number of European countries that have experimented with alternatives to making drug use a crime. Pot is legal in Amsterdam. Drug use did not rise. Switzerland started prescribing heroin to longtime addicts. It was such a success in reducing drug-related disease and crime that the public overwhelmingly approved the continuation of the program. Portugal decriminalized all drugs. It has shown positive effects across the board.

The mistake everyone makes when approaching drug laws is to have the frame of mind that decriminalizing drugs encourages their use. It doesn't. Again, and again, and again, it has been shown that it doesn't. At worst decriminalizing drugs has no effect, and it often makes drug use go down due to the way in which it makes drugs' image one of a medical problem as opposed to a cool act of rebellion. Making drugs illegal does absolutely nothing to curb their use, and only serves to support crime and waste billions in the form of an added strain on the criminal justice system.

Think how many people would buy it, IT would literally PULL america out of debt, You could have 3 brands mild milder and the highest etc...

Of coarse it would cut down on crime.. people would buy it legally instead of going to a drug house and risk getting caught

yes its bad for you, but who cares? People have been smoking cigs for years, If you put it for sale, Alot of crime would go down i can honestly see it..

KingOfAsia

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] Sure OT may have great personal experience with pot users, but I haven't been as fortunate. There's nothing I have seen to make me think, "Hey you know.. that's not so bad after all, maybe we should let it be legal so everyone can enjoy it."GabuEx

It's not a matter of "making it legal so everyone can enjoy it". It's a matter of making it legal in recognition of the fact that prohibition is a failure of epic proportions. There have been a number of European countries that have experimented with alternatives to making drug use a crime. Pot is legal in Amsterdam. Drug use did not rise. Switzerland started prescribing heroin to longtime addicts. It was such a success in reducing drug-related disease and crime that the public overwhelmingly approved the continuation of the program. Portugal decriminalized all drugs. It has shown positive effects across the board.

The mistake everyone makes when approaching drug laws is to have the frame of mind that decriminalizing drugs encourages their use. It doesn't. Again, and again, and again, it has been shown that it doesn't. At worst decriminalizing drugs has no effect, and it often makes drug use go down due to the way in which it makes drugs' image one of a medical problem as opposed to a cool act of rebellion. Making drugs illegal does absolutely nothing to curb their use, and only serves to support crime and waste billions in the form of an added strain on the criminal justice system.

Think how many people would buy it, IT would literally PULL america out of debt, You could have 3 brands mild milder and the highest etc...

Of coarse it would cut down on crime.. people would buy it legally instead of going to a drug house and risk getting caught

yes its bad for you, but who cares? People have been smoking cigs for years, If you put it for sale, Alot of crime would go down i can honestly see it..

DECRIMINALIZE marijuana possession and use, make it still a crime to sell it.

Absolutely no reason to flat-out legalize it, decriminalization is good enough.

I can tell you what this thread either has/or will consist of. 1) ppl who don't know anything about pot that don't like it 2) ppl who do know about pot that can't reason with those who don't.

Edit: and the argument should end at this: No one has the right to tell you whether or not you can put a near harmless substance in your body.

DECRIMINALIZE marijuana possession and use, make it still a crime to sell it.

Absolutely no reason to flat-out legalize it, decriminalization is good enough.

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] Sure OT may have great personal experience with pot users, but I haven't been as fortunate. There's nothing I have seen to make me think, "Hey you know.. that's not so bad after all, maybe we should let it be legal so everyone can enjoy it."GabuEx

It's not a matter of "making it legal so everyone can enjoy it". It's a matter of making it legal in recognition of the fact that prohibition is a failure of epic proportions. There have been a number of European countries that have experimented with alternatives to making drug use a crime. Pot is legal in Amsterdam. Drug use did not rise. Switzerland started prescribing heroin to longtime addicts. It was such a success in reducing drug-related disease and crime that the public overwhelmingly approved the continuation of the program. Portugal decriminalized all drugs. It has shown positive effects across the board.

The mistake everyone makes when approaching drug laws is to have the frame of mind that decriminalizing drugs encourages their use. It doesn't. Again, and again, and again, it has been shown that it doesn't. At worst decriminalizing drugs has no effect, and it often makes drug use go down due to the way in which it makes drugs' image one of a medical problem as opposed to a cool act of rebellion. Making drugs illegal does absolutely nothing to curb their use, and only serves to support crime and waste billions in the form of an added strain on the criminal justice system.

I agree. But make no mistake that those examples are not all dealing with LEGALIZATION. Decriminalizing them and legalizing them are two different things.

I'm all for decrimininalization, and see absolutely no reason whatsoever for legalization.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] Sure OT may have great personal experience with pot users, but I haven't been as fortunate. There's nothing I have seen to make me think, "Hey you know.. that's not so bad after all, maybe we should let it be legal so everyone can enjoy it."MrGeezer

It's not a matter of "making it legal so everyone can enjoy it". It's a matter of making it legal in recognition of the fact that prohibition is a failure of epic proportions. There have been a number of European countries that have experimented with alternatives to making drug use a crime. Pot is legal in Amsterdam. Drug use did not rise. Switzerland started prescribing heroin to longtime addicts. It was such a success in reducing drug-related disease and crime that the public overwhelmingly approved the continuation of the program. Portugal decriminalized all drugs. It has shown positive effects across the board.

The mistake everyone makes when approaching drug laws is to have the frame of mind that decriminalizing drugs encourages their use. It doesn't. Again, and again, and again, it has been shown that it doesn't. At worst decriminalizing drugs has no effect, and it often makes drug use go down due to the way in which it makes drugs' image one of a medical problem as opposed to a cool act of rebellion. Making drugs illegal does absolutely nothing to curb their use, and only serves to support crime and waste billions in the form of an added strain on the criminal justice system.

I agree. But make no mistake that those examples are not all dealing with LEGALIZATION. Decriminalizing them and legalizing them are two different things.

I'm all for decrimininalization, and see absolutely no reason whatsoever for legalization.

OK, yes, I was a bit careless in wording use given that the thrust of my argument was against the criminalization of drug possession and use. The argument over decriminalization vs. legalization is an entirely different matter.

Ok, first before I start, I am not positive either way. I go back and forth. But I believe no it shouldn't here's why.

If marijuana was to become legal, it would be run by tobacco companies, increasing amount of daily users, and users who will use it like cigarretes. They are worse for you than cigarretes. But they are sort of better, due to the fact that they aren't as addictive.

If it were to become legal, what do you think drug dealers would do? Give up? No, I say this: the people who sell drugs will push to sell harder dangerous drugs such as crack, and heroin, among other things. Not only that but marijuana does impact your thinking and motor skills.

I also think that they would increase in crimes, robbery ETC... To make the money.

Here's my solution. Keep it illegall. The only problem is illegall marijuana could be dangerous. People have been known to have seizures. So my advice? Stay away from Mary Jane.

dunl12496

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30#marijuana

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/Marijuana

I'm with Geezer on this. It's completely fine smoking it pure by the way, having a spliff has more tobacco than a cigarette.

all drugs should be legal, not just marijuana.

Ok, first before I start, I am not positive either way. I go back and forth. But I believe no it shouldn't here's why.

If marijuana was to become legal, it would be run by tobacco companies, increasing amount of daily users, and users who will use it like cigarretes. They are worse for you than cigarretes. But they are sort of better, due to the fact that they aren't as addictive.

If it were to become legal, what do you think drug dealers would do? Give up? No, I say this: the people who sell drugs will push to sell harder dangerous drugs such as crack, and heroin, among other things. Not only that but marijuana does impact your thinking and motor skills.

I also think that they would increase in crimes, robbery ETC... To make the money.

Here's my solution. Keep it illegall. The only problem is illegall marijuana could be dangerous. People have been known to have seizures. So my advice? Stay away from Mary Jane.

dunl12496

The thing i hate about these arguments is that most people don't really know what they're talking about. So let's clear a couple of things:

1. Marajuana isn't addictive.

2. Smoke inhalation aside, marajuana isn't nearly as bad for you as compared to cigarettes. I say this because it takes around one joint to get you high, as opposed to smoking 2 packs a day of cigerettes due to your addiction.

3. Another thing is that marajuana doesn't promote cancer like cigerettes do. It's not the tar/smoke/nasty chemicals in the cigerettes that cause the majority of cancer, it's the fertiliser on that gets stuck on the leaf of the tabacco. It's the chemicals that are created when the fertiliser combusts that causes 90% of cancers.

4. Once marajuana is legalised, it basically puts the dealers out of buisness (other illegal drugs aside). Most people who'll choose to smoke marajuana will probably grow their own plant, or they'll buy it from a company.

5. Marajuana has absolutely no long term effects on the brain and is not linked to siezures. There's been no conclusive evidence. However it does effect your short term memory if taken heavily, but only that aspect of cognitive thinking is effected.

6. Marajuana is a medicine, and can help ease patients who suffere severe pain. Unlike morphine, it's not addictive.

7. The only reason why marajuana hasn't been legalised/decriminalised is because the government can't tax it nearly as heavily as tobbacco and alcohol.

8. Another counter argument to the fact that marajuana contains more heavy particles and tar is that is also expands your lungs. This counters whatever crap you're putting into your lungs.

9. There has not been one related death caused by smoking marajuana. No one has gotten cancer from smoking marajuana.

10. Industrial marajuana creates many products. For example, paper made from marajuana is far superior and eccologically friendly to making paper out of wood. This is due to the fact that marajuana paper doesn't require

+ a million others....

There really are no cons to smoking marajuana other than it makes you really lazy and relaxed. But you have to understand that people aren't going to be high when driving or when at work, because there will be regulations and etc.

But at the end of the day, it'll never be fully legalised due to an evil thing called "the big corporations want more money".....

lol "doesn't require any nasty chemicals, bleach etc."

I say that it's fine if government could find a way to regulate it. Otherwise, ten year olds could get a hold of it and people would be driving or working while they are high.

Ok, first before I start, I am not positive either way. I go back and forth. But I believe no it shouldn't here's why.

If marijuana was to become legal, it would be run by tobacco companies, increasing amount of daily users, and users who will use it like cigarretes. They are worse for you than cigarretes. But they are sort of better, due to the fact that they aren't as addictive.

and?

If it were to become legal, what do you think drug dealers would do? Give up? No, I say this: the people who sell drugs will push to sell harder dangerous drugs such as crack, and heroin, among other things. Not only that but marijuana does impact your thinking and motor skills.

They already do

I also think that they would increase in crimes, robbery ETC... To make the money.

huh? i don't even

Here's my solution. Keep it illegall. The only problem is illegall marijuana could be dangerous. People have been known to have seizures. So my advice? Stay away from Mary Jane.

hahah wah?

dunl12496

there wouldn't be a problem if its legislated like alcohol is. You don't come drunk to work do you? You don't come high to work either.trasherhead

They are worse for you than cigarretes. But they are sort of better, due to the fact that they aren't as addictive.

dunl12496

everybody outrage! the reason its illegal is because the government wanted to suppress individuality and anti government behavior associated with marijuanna in the latter part of the 20th century. They just sprinkle this by saying its bad for you. hence your confusion on whether its bad for you or not. While in most cases marijuanna is not good for you in the short term, per se, neither is alchol, and tobacco just kills you. tobacco kills people who DONT smoke tobaco (second hand). and yet this drug is completely legal, why? Because the government has their greedy claws inside the inconcievably large money pile tobacco sales have accumulated. The government could not care less about your health. If the government could get away with selling meth to children without getting a bad reputation, they would with a smile on their face and more money in their pockets.

I say that it's fine if government could find a way to regulate it. Otherwise, ten year olds could get a hold of it and people would be driving or working while they are high.

Rckstrchik

If only there were drugs that today were legal to purchase yet regulated that could serve as a model by which it could be regulated... :P

[QUOTE="fidosim"]My solution: let people do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights. worlock77

Oh but that would make too much sense.

My solution: let people do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights. fidosim

Yes, but we have no evidence until we legalize it, which we should try. Start in some states first.

dunl12496

It could of passed in California since the majority of the population wanted it to be legal until the tabacco/acohol industry + the police used their wealth and power to change that.

Seriously Acohol is more damaging yet it is legal.

TC your reasoning in the op makes little to no sense. btw drug dealers already push harder drugs not just teh potz...

i think the best argument for ending pot prohibition is the people in this very threads argumentsfor prohibition.

all the brain damaged potheads have a logical argument that makes sense and the ones against it have only emotional unproven rhetoric that they parrot from the just say no era.

if you are a thinking person who do go with? the side that has facts behind them or the side that immediately tries to get the argument on an emotional footing.

how do you even fight that when for most people emotions > facts?

oh wait i know you have to do the same thing.

in that vein i submit for the world to see this thread which proves without a shadow of a doubt that not using pot causes stupidity and leads directly to an atrophy of thinking skills.

I dont use weed but i think it should be legal...here is why

Weed is not addictive....alchohal can be

salvia IS legal and harder then weed...weed just makes you feel calm

When your drunk you punch people in the face...on weed you only think about doing it and calm down seaconds later

weed dosnt causes any known long lasting effects....alchohal can mess up your liver and tobacco can give you lung cancer

The money that comes from the distribution of weed could benifit schools and other things.

A lot less crimes would be happening because you could just go to a 711 and by some weed.

I mean honestly i think its saver then a lot of stuff out there which is why i dont know why its illegal..thats just me though..i dont really care either way if its illegal or not but it probably should be..i mean...alchohal was illegal at a point right? maybe thats like mary jay and it will be legal one day

killblade37

Good man.

The only reason I want to keep marijuana illegal is just to spite some of you. :twisted:

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"]My solution: let people do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights. surrealnumber5

Oh but that would make too much sense.

Huh? What do you mean?

[QUOTE="Rckstrchik"]

I say that it's fine if government could find a way to regulate it. Otherwise, ten year olds could get a hold of it and people would be driving or working while they are high.

GabuEx

If only there were drugs that today were legal to purchase yet regulated that could serve as a model by which it could be regulated... :P

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"]My solution: let people do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights. surrealnumber5

Oh but that would make too much sense.

People flip flop like crazy on this website.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Oh but that would make too much sense.

Espada12

People flip flop like crazy on this website.

I'd like to know what exactly he means by "interventionist".

Think how many people would buy it, IT would literally PULL america out of debt, You could have 3 brands mild milder and the highest etc...

Of coarse it would cut down on crime.. people would buy it legally instead of going to a drug house and risk getting caught

yes its bad for you, but who cares? People have been smoking cigs for years, If you put it for sale, Alot of crime would go down i can honestly see it..

That... makes no sense. All the logic in the world points towards its legalization.

I don't smoke the stuff so I don't really care either way. If it gets legalized taxes will make it expensive and I will laugh. I wish it would just disappear honestly.

People who use it for medicinal purposes actually get a use from it though...