Why should I vote for John McCain?

Obama's plan cuts taxes for families making less than 600k a year and raises them for those above the mark... sounds reasonable to me.

They can!

This way everyone has the equal chance to become sucessful.

Rikusaki

Not necessarily, but the gap wouldn't be as extreme as it is now.

If LJS still works at the booze shop I'm gonna rob his ass and get dead ass drunk. Then I'll go and vote, we can only hope for the best.

1. He's not Obama.
2. He knows how to party.
3. He dislikes terrorists.
4. He likes cheese.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]
The government protects us and in turn we are obligated to abide by that government's laws and rules that the government sets in order to make its jobs of protection and utilitarianism possible. (to sum up a complicated philosophy) Even if those rules include a perceived violation of our rights (such as taxation)hamstergeddon

As much as I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, if the government began to rally up and murder Jews like the Nazis, and it was illegal to hold one in your home, would you turn one in if a Nazi knocked on your door?

My philosophy: no man should be subject to a violation of rights to benefit another, whether he is more or less fortunate or more or less successful, and no government has the right to alienate the rights of its people, without whom there would be no government.

I don't think it is justification.

1. He's not Obama.
2. He knows how to party.
3. He dislikes terrorists.
4. He likes cheese.

bradleybhoy

lol

Ah, I can always get behind a Presidential candidate with a strong pro-cheese policy.

1. He's not Obama.
2. He knows how to party.
3. He dislikes terrorists.
4. He likes cheese.

bradleybhoy

Hmm, so you're a fan of Obama?

I think the rich should be taxed more, because the richest man in the world said why do i get taxed 17% on 45Mill while my secretary gets taxed 35% on a wage thats below $100,000.

He Said "The rich can take advantage of tax loopholes, including one that allows those managers to pay the capital gains tax rate of 15 percent instead of the ordinary top income tax rate of 35 percent".

He also said "he thought Democrats would do a better job in evening out the field for those who had drawn the unlucky tickets in life".

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I think the rich should be taxed more, because the richest man in the world said why do i get taxed 17% on 45Mill while my secretary gets taxed 35% on a wage thats below $100,000.

He Said "The rich can take advantage of tax loopholes, including one that allows those managers to pay the capital gains tax rate of 15 percent instead of the ordinary top income tax rate of 35 percent".

He also said "he thought Democrats would do a better job in evening out the field for those who had drawn the unlucky tickets in life".

LINK

Dub_c6969

I agree.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Obama lowers the taxes for the people who matter most.

Theokhoth

"We the people hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal. . . ."

He's talking about social equality. You know, people having equal means, and their children not being doomed to eternal poverty, just because their parents were poor.

To me, it all comes down to the children, the right-wing system can become very, very similar to a caste system. Liberalism came, so that the nobility wouldn't have all the wealth, but all it did, was to change the seats of power. That's where socialism came.

But what is more important to you, getting new sport cars, mansions and giant HDTV's or an innocent soul, growing up in poverty, destined to live a modest and poor life... Greed sickens me...

see? mccain supporters don't like this either.

its about time you guys get a taste of your own medicine.

no politician is perfect.

He also voted against the erqual pay for equal work and wants to reverse rowe v wadefreshgman

Yeah, the TC should add this one it with a source.

[QUOTE="freshgman"]He also voted against the erqual pay for equal work and wants to reverse rowe v wadeRikusaki

Yeah, the TC should add this one it with a source.

I want to Reverse Row v Wade Also the Worst ruling in American history..

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Obama lowers the taxes for the people who matter most.

Steingrimur

"We the people hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal. . . ."

He's talking about social equality. You know, people having equal means, and their children not being doomed to eternal poverty, just because their parents were poor.

To me, it all comes down to the children, the right-wing system can become very, very similar to a caste system. Liberalism came, so that the nobility wouldn't have all the wealth, but all it did, was to change the seats of power. That's where socialism came.

But what is more important to you, getting new sport cars, mansions and giant HDTV's or an innocent soul, growing up in poverty, destined to live a modest and poor life... Greed sickens me...

He said "the people who matter most."

There is no hint whatsoever of social equality in his statement.

What is more important to me is protecting the rights of the people, rich or poor. Elitism is viewing poor people as inferior to the upper cIass, but let's not slip into the exact opposite mindset, that rich people should be punished for being rich. The whole idea of socialism is greed; instead of working for your own money you are taking the money earned by someone else so that YOU can prosper better. Capitalism is about earning your own money and not being forcefully obligated to provide for someone else.

Think about that before you start telling me what I care more about.

[QUOTE="Steingrimur"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Obama lowers the taxes for the people who matter most.

Theokhoth

"We the people hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal. . . ."

He's talking about social equality. You know, people having equal means, and their children not being doomed to eternal poverty, just because their parents were poor.

To me, it all comes down to the children, the right-wing system can become very, very similar to a caste system. Liberalism came, so that the nobility wouldn't have all the wealth, but all it did, was to change the seats of power. That's where socialism came.

But what is more important to you, getting new sport cars, mansions and giant HDTV's or an innocent soul, growing up in poverty, destined to live a modest and poor life... Greed sickens me...

He said "the people who matter most."

There is no hint whatsoever of social equality in his statement.

What is more important to me is protecting the rights of the people, rich or poor. Elitism is viewing poor people as inferior to the upper cIass, but let's not slip into the exact opposite mindset, that rich people should be punished for being rich. The whole idea of socialism is greed; instead of working for your own money you are taking the money earned by someone else so that YOU can prosper better. Capitalism is about earning your own money and not being forcefully obligated to provide for someone else.

Think about that before you start telling me what I care more about.

Actually, the whole idea of socialism is about giving, you know, the contrary to greed...that's one of the main points in Das Kapital.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Steingrimur"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Obama lowers the taxes for the people who matter most.

jointed

"We the people hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal. . . ."

He's talking about social equality. You know, people having equal means, and their children not being doomed to eternal poverty, just because their parents were poor.

To me, it all comes down to the children, the right-wing system can become very, very similar to a caste system. Liberalism came, so that the nobility wouldn't have all the wealth, but all it did, was to change the seats of power. That's where socialism came.

But what is more important to you, getting new sport cars, mansions and giant HDTV's or an innocent soul, growing up in poverty, destined to live a modest and poor life... Greed sickens me...

He said "the people who matter most."

There is no hint whatsoever of social equality in his statement.

What is more important to me is protecting the rights of the people, rich or poor. Elitism is viewing poor people as inferior to the upper cIass, but let's not slip into the exact opposite mindset, that rich people should be punished for being rich. The whole idea of socialism is greed; instead of working for your own money you are taking the money earned by someone else so that YOU can prosper better. Capitalism is about earning your own money and not being forcefully obligated to provide for someone else.

Think about that before you start telling me what I care more about.

Actually, the whole idea of socialism is about giving, you know, the contrary to greed...that's one of the main points in Das Kapital.

Socialism is about giving. . . .whether you want to give or not. It's about giving. . . .money you earned to those who did not.

[QUOTE="Steingrimur"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Obama lowers the taxes for the people who matter most.

Theokhoth

"We the people hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal. . . ."

He's talking about social equality. You know, people having equal means, and their children not being doomed to eternal poverty, just because their parents were poor.

To me, it all comes down to the children, the right-wing system can become very, very similar to a caste system. Liberalism came, so that the nobility wouldn't have all the wealth, but all it did, was to change the seats of power. That's where socialism came.

But what is more important to you, getting new sport cars, mansions and giant HDTV's or an innocent soul, growing up in poverty, destined to live a modest and poor life... Greed sickens me...

He said "the people who matter most."

There is no hint whatsoever of social equality in his statement.

What is more important to me is protecting the rights of the people, rich or poor. Elitism is viewing poor people as inferior to the upper cIass, but let's not slip into the exact opposite mindset, that rich people should be punished for being rich. The whole idea of socialism is greed; instead of working for your own money you are taking the money earned by someone else so that YOU can prosper better. Capitalism is about earning your own money and not being forcefully obligated to provide for someone else.

Think about that before you start telling me what I care more about.

People born into poverty have to travel a near-impossible path to become rich.

People born into wealth... well, they are already there.

People born into poverty have to travel a near-impossible path to become rich.

People born into wealth... well, they are already there.

Rikusaki

They have to work to keep it. Or the government will take it all away in the form of taxes as the years go by. In addition, just because someone is born into wealth does not mean they will keep it; look what happened to Paris Hilton (though Daddy Hilton has probably gone back on that by now. . .).

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

People born into poverty have to travel a near-impossible path to become rich.

People born into wealth... well, they are already there.

Theokhoth

They have to work to keep it. Or the government will take it all away in the form of taxes as the years go by. In addition, just because someone is born into wealth does not mean they will keep it; look what happened to Paris Hilton (though Daddy Hilton has probably gone back on that by now. . .).

Yeah, but still. People born into wealth have to work to stay there, but it's easier for the to work in the first place because his/her family can pay for education.

A person born into poverty has to find out how to get a good income so they can pay for a good education.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

People born into poverty have to travel a near-impossible path to become rich.

People born into wealth... well, they are already there.

Rikusaki

They have to work to keep it. Or the government will take it all away in the form of taxes as the years go by. In addition, just because someone is born into wealth does not mean they will keep it; look what happened to Paris Hilton (though Daddy Hilton has probably gone back on that by now. . .).

Yeah, but still. People born into wealth have to work to stay there, but it's easier for the to work in the first place because his/her family can pay for education.

A person born into poverty has to find out how to get a good income so they can pay for a good education.

He'd better find out how to get a good income, then. There's also scholarships, FAFSA, and other methods of financial aid for college.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

People born into poverty have to travel a near-impossible path to become rich.

People born into wealth... well, they are already there.

Theokhoth

They have to work to keep it. Or the government will take it all away in the form of taxes as the years go by. In addition, just because someone is born into wealth does not mean they will keep it; look what happened to Paris Hilton (though Daddy Hilton has probably gone back on that by now. . .).

Yeah, but still. People born into wealth have to work to stay there, but it's easier for the to work in the first place because his/her family can pay for education.

A person born into poverty has to find out how to get a good income so they can pay for a good education.

He'd better find out how to get a good income, then. There's also scholarships, FAFSA, and other methods of financial aid for college.

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

Rikusaki

If an illegal Mexican immigrant can get a job with no home, money, food or credit, an American citizen born into poverty shouldn't have much trouble.

[QUOTE="Steingrimur"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Obama lowers the taxes for the people who matter most.

Theokhoth

"We the people hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal. . . ."

He's talking about social equality. You know, people having equal means, and their children not being doomed to eternal poverty, just because their parents were poor.

To me, it all comes down to the children, the right-wing system can become very, very similar to a caste system. Liberalism came, so that the nobility wouldn't have all the wealth, but all it did, was to change the seats of power. That's where socialism came.

But what is more important to you, getting new sport cars, mansions and giant HDTV's or an innocent soul, growing up in poverty, destined to live a modest and poor life... Greed sickens me...

He said "the people who matter most."

There is no hint whatsoever of social equality in his statement.

What is more important to me is protecting the rights of the people, rich or poor. Elitism is viewing poor people as inferior to the upper cIass, but let's not slip into the exact opposite mindset, that rich people should be punished for being rich. The whole idea of socialism is greed; instead of working for your own money you are taking the money earned by someone else so that YOU can prosper better. Capitalism is about earning your own money and not being forcefully obligated to provide for someone else.

Think about that before you start telling me what I care more about.

If you want social services, just to sit on your ass, watching porn and gaming WoW all day, then I can see what you're mad about. But is wanting to see you're children grow up to a bright future being greedy?
Anyway, it's a bit square to asume that, the rich only got rich because they worked really hard, this can be true, but that rich persons' parents might have been rich, getting that person a lot easier through the educational system and everything else. Besides if a poor person had poor parents, who couldn't afford to give him an education, that person might work his bu* off without getting paid nearly as much as the educated person. Not only because he's uneducated, but because in a truly free-market, there is a lot of uneducated labour, so the business owner can charge a ridiculously low fee, just because another person would be glad to accept those terms, if said person would refuse. This makes the employers richer, and the employees poorer.

Of course I'm talking about capitalism in a very pure sense, since you tend to do the same with socialism.

But why should you care? well, conservatives, because you're beloved book tells you to care!

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

Theokhoth

If an illegal Mexican immigrant can get a job with no home, money, food or credit, an American citizen born into poverty shouldn't have much trouble.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

Theokhoth

If an illegal Mexican immigrant can get a job with no home, money, food or credit, an American citizen born into poverty shouldn't have much trouble.

Ok.

How about lets make it so nobody is born into poverty?

Everyone should have the equal chance to the American Dream.

There should be no such thing as poverty at all.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Steingrimur"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Obama lowers the taxes for the people who matter most.

Steingrimur

"We the people hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal. . . ."

He's talking about social equality. You know, people having equal means, and their children not being doomed to eternal poverty, just because their parents were poor.

To me, it all comes down to the children, the right-wing system can become very, very similar to a caste system. Liberalism came, so that the nobility wouldn't have all the wealth, but all it did, was to change the seats of power. That's where socialism came.

But what is more important to you, getting new sport cars, mansions and giant HDTV's or an innocent soul, growing up in poverty, destined to live a modest and poor life... Greed sickens me...

He said "the people who matter most."

There is no hint whatsoever of social equality in his statement.

What is more important to me is protecting the rights of the people, rich or poor. Elitism is viewing poor people as inferior to the upper cIass, but let's not slip into the exact opposite mindset, that rich people should be punished for being rich. The whole idea of socialism is greed; instead of working for your own money you are taking the money earned by someone else so that YOU can prosper better. Capitalism is about earning your own money and not being forcefully obligated to provide for someone else.

Think about that before you start telling me what I care more about.

If you want social services, just to sit on your ass, watching porn and gaming WoW all day, then I can see what you're mad about. But is wanting to see you're children grow up to a bright future being greedy?
Anyway, it's a bit square to asume that, the rich only got rich because they worked really hard, this can be true, but that rich persons' parents might have been rich, getting that person a lot easier through the educational system and everything else. Besides if a poor person had poor parents, who couldn't afford to give him an education, that person might work his bu* off without getting paid nearly as much as the educated person. Not only because he's uneducated, but because in a truly free-market, there is a lot of uneducated labour, so the business owner can charge a ridiculously low fee, just because another person would be glad to accept those terms, if said person would refuse. This makes the employers richer, and the employees poorer.

Of course I'm talking about capitalism in a very pure sense, since you tend to do the same with socialism.

But why should you care? well, conservatives, because you're beloved book tells you to care!

Wow, very well said.

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

Rikusaki

There is practically no excuse these days to not get an education if you think you need one. There's night schools, online schools, Jr. colleges. In some cases you don't even have to leave your home to get a degree. It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure his own economic wellbeing.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Steingrimur"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Obama lowers the taxes for the people who matter most.

Theokhoth

"We the people hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal. . . ."

He's talking about social equality. You know, people having equal means, and their children not being doomed to eternal poverty, just because their parents were poor.

To me, it all comes down to the children, the right-wing system can become very, very similar to a caste system. Liberalism came, so that the nobility wouldn't have all the wealth, but all it did, was to change the seats of power. That's where socialism came.

But what is more important to you, getting new sport cars, mansions and giant HDTV's or an innocent soul, growing up in poverty, destined to live a modest and poor life... Greed sickens me...

He said "the people who matter most."

There is no hint whatsoever of social equality in his statement.

What is more important to me is protecting the rights of the people, rich or poor. Elitism is viewing poor people as inferior to the upper cIass, but let's not slip into the exact opposite mindset, that rich people should be punished for being rich. The whole idea of socialism is greed; instead of working for your own money you are taking the money earned by someone else so that YOU can prosper better. Capitalism is about earning your own money and not being forcefully obligated to provide for someone else.

Think about that before you start telling me what I care more about.

Actually, the whole idea of socialism is about giving, you know, the contrary to greed...that's one of the main points in Das Kapital.

Socialism is about giving. . . .whether you want to give or not. It's about giving. . . .money you earned to those who did not.

That's like saying, Capitalism is about greed. I'm a libertarian, but if we're going to debate political ideologies, let's be fair.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Socialism is about giving. . . .whether you want to give or not. It's about giving. . . .money you earned to those who did not.

jointed

That's like saying, Capitalism is about greed. I'm a libertarian, but if we're going to debate political ideologies, let's be fair.

Many pro-capitalists proudly say capitalism is about greed.

You should vote for John McCain because I think Fox News is onto something here...

In all honesty though, McCain flip flops only a slight bit more than Obama. It's his hard stances that make me think I wouldn't want to vote for him. Obama's not that much of a gem either, but I trust him more than I do McCain.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

Rhazakna

There is practically no excuse these days to not get an education if you think you need one. There's night schools, online schools, Jr. colleges. In some cases you don't even have to leave your home to get a degree. It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure his own economic wellbeing.

The government should help a little to give them a little boost or a head start to a better life.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

Rikusaki

There is practically no excuse these days to not get an education if you think you need one. There's night schools, online schools, Jr. colleges. In some cases you don't even have to leave your home to get a degree. It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure his own economic wellbeing.

The goernment should help a little to give them a little boost or a head start to a better life.

Why? Why should one man's money be taken against his will and given to another man? Isn't that immoral? Isn't that theft? I think it is.

You should vote for John McCain because I think Fox News is onto something here...

In all honesty though, McCain flip flops only a slight bit more than Obama. It's his hard stances that make me think I wouldn't want to vote for him. Obama's not that much of a gem either, but I trust him more than I do McCain.

Lockedge

LOL! Fox is too funny!

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

Rhazakna

There is practically no excuse these days to not get an education if you think you need one. There's night schools, online schools, Jr. colleges. In some cases you don't even have to leave your home to get a degree. It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure his own economic wellbeing.

The goernment should help a little to give them a little boost or a head start to a better life.

Why? Why should one man's money be taken against his will and given to another man? Isn't that immoral? Isn't that theft? I think it is.

No, its called sharing and its the right thing to do.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Socialism is about giving. . . .whether you want to give or not. It's about giving. . . .money you earned to those who did not.

Rhazakna

That's like saying, Capitalism is about greed. I'm a libertarian, but if we're going to debate political ideologies, let's be fair.

Many pro-capitalists proudly say capitalism is about greed.

Well, that's not really an argument for it, so I couldn't care less.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Socialism is about giving. . . .whether you want to give or not. It's about giving. . . .money you earned to those who did not.

jointed

That's like saying, Capitalism is about greed. I'm a libertarian, but if we're going to debate political ideologies, let's be fair.

Many pro-capitalists proudly say capitalism is about greed.

Well, that's not really an argument for it, so I couldn't care less.

Never said it was.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

What if they can't because they are in poverty?

Rikusaki

There is practically no excuse these days to not get an education if you think you need one. There's night schools, online schools, Jr. colleges. In some cases you don't even have to leave your home to get a degree. It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure his own economic wellbeing.

The goernment should help a little to give them a little boost or a head start to a better life.

Why? Why should one man's money be taken against his will and given to another man? Isn't that immoral? Isn't that theft? I think it is.

No, its called sharing and its the right thing to do.

It's not sharing. Coercion is not sharing. Sharing is when someone willingly lets others make use of their resources (whatever that may be). Being forced to give up your propery isn't sharing, it's theft. How is it different?

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

You should vote for John McCain because I think Fox News is onto something here...

In all honesty though, McCain flip flops only a slight bit more than Obama. It's his hard stances that make me think I wouldn't want to vote for him. Obama's not that much of a gem either, but I trust him more than I do McCain.

Rikusaki

LOL! Fox is too funny!

If you want social services, just to sit on your ass, watching porn and gaming WoW all day, then I can see what you're mad about. But is wanting to see you're children grow up to a bright future being greedy?

It is the job of the parents, not the government, to take care of their children and provide for their lives and futures.

Anyway, it's a bit square to asume that, the rich only got rich because they worked really hard, this can be true, but that rich persons' parents might have been rich, getting that person a lot easier through the educational system and everything else.

You have to work to stay rich.

Besides if a poor person had poor parents, who couldn't afford to give him an education, that person might work his bu* off without getting paid nearly as much as the educated person.

Or, the person could get a job and attempt to get an education himself. It's been done before.

Not only because he's uneducated, but because in a truly free-market, there is a lot of uneducated labour, so the business owner can charge a ridiculously low fee, just because another person would be glad to accept those terms, if said person would refuse. This makes the employers richer, and the employees poorer.

The employees are not poorer if they are making money when they had nothing before.:|

But why should you care? well, conservatives, because you're beloved book tells you to care!

What book?

Steingrimur

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Lockedge"]

You should vote for John McCain because I think Fox News is onto something here...

In all honesty though, McCain flip flops only a slight bit more than Obama. It's his hard stances that make me think I wouldn't want to vote for him. Obama's not that much of a gem either, but I trust him more than I do McCain.

Nintendo_Ownes7

LOL! Fox is too funny!

:lol:

Fox has been constantly on Obama's case since the beginning of his campaign.

Just look at the picture!

They are using his name to make him sound like hes a terrorist evil person!

What moron would honestly think that by electing a female VP that they would somehow appeal to the masses that voted for Hillary?!? Those that voted for her put her politics first, and her gender second. Only a f***ing Republican would see things otherwise, and this is why this cheap ploy will fail miserably. McCain has sealed his own coffin, and good riddance for such an ignorant political move.MilkMaster69

Yeah and she is against what most women stand for.

She is anti-abortion, pro-gun and anti gay rights.

Hillary supporters have to be sick in the head to vote for that.

[QUOTE="MilkMaster69"]What moron would honestly think that by electing a female VP that they would somehow appeal to the masses that voted for Hillary?!? Those that voted for her put her politics first, and her gender second. Only a f***ing Republican would see things otherwise, and this is why this cheap ploy will fail miserably. McCain has sealed his own coffin, and good riddance for such an ignorant political move.Rikusaki

Yeah and she is against what most women stand for.

She is anti-abortion, pro-gun and anti gay rights.

Hillary supporters have to be sick in the head to vote for that.

But let's assume that the teenagers on the Internet figured that out and not McCain before picking her.

:lol:

Fox has been constantly on Obama's case since the beginning of his campaign.

Just look at the picture!

They are using his name to make him sound like hes a terrorist evil person!

Rikusaki

I'm pretty sure that's photoshopped.