Why should I vote for John McCain?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]
I would think people making the most money have a greater obligation to give back to the society than someone who makes half as much. Krazy_duck

I think they have no obligation except what they perceive themselves to have. A federally enforced obligation doesn't seem right.

I love John Locke and am aware of his philosophies, at least to an extent. I still don't believe the government should enforce an obligation to give back to society. All men are created equal, not rich men matter less than poor men.

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Um, I know of John Locke's philosophies and I love his brilliance. Doesn't mean I agree with him or that I have to.:|

Vote republican if you want another world war.

McCain's VP is insane! Forget how bad McCain is his VP is several times worse than a child after eating a bowl of sugar given a machine gun. Palin will make abortion illegal, no sympathy for rape victims? Who is she? Not even McCain knows! CRAZY PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!

hongkingkong

Rape victims should put it up for adoption. . . . the rest of your post is the Internet equivalent of a homeless man on the street wearing a sign that says "THE END IS NEAR" while screaming about Chuck Norris.:|

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.Scarker

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

Uh..Obama will raise taxes and his policies will waste the revenue.

Vote republican if you want another world war.

McCain's VP is insane! Forget how bad McCain is his VP is several times worse than a child after eating a bowl of sugar given a machine gun. Palin will make abortion illegal, no sympathy for rape victims? Who is she? Not even McCain knows! CRAZY PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!

hongkingkong

Yeah, she has a pretty sick mind.

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]

Vote republican if you want another world war.

McCain's VP is insane! Forget how bad McCain is his VP is several times worse than a child after eating a bowl of sugar given a machine gun. Palin will make abortion illegal, no sympathy for rape victims? Who is she? Not even McCain knows! CRAZY PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!

Theokhoth

Rape victims should put it up for adoption

No

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"]

Vote republican if you want another world war.

McCain's VP is insane! Forget how bad McCain is his VP is several times worse than a child after eating a bowl of sugar given a machine gun. Palin will make abortion illegal, no sympathy for rape victims? Who is she? Not even McCain knows! CRAZY PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!

-Austin-

Rape victims should put it up for adoption

No

Yes. Punishing a baby for the crimes of a rapist is marginally worse than the rape itself.

[QUOTE="Scarker"]

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.Trashface

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

Uh..Obama will raise taxes and his policies will waste the revenue.

[QUOTE="Scarker"]

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.Trashface

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

Uh..Obama will raise taxes and his policies will waste the revenue.

Obama is going to cut taxes overall by 0.3% The only people who will get a tax raise are people who make over $600,000 dollars year according to the chart. McCain has people under $60,000 dollars paying 60% of taxes.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"]

Vote republican if you want another world war.

McCain's VP is insane! Forget how bad McCain is his VP is several times worse than a child after eating a bowl of sugar given a machine gun. Palin will make abortion illegal, no sympathy for rape victims? Who is she? Not even McCain knows! CRAZY PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!

Theokhoth

Rape victims should put it up for adoption

No

Yes. Punishing a baby for the crimes of a rapist is marginally worse than the rape itself.

How is abortion punishing a "baby"?

I'll give some real reasons to vote for McCain.

1. He doesn't mince words. He makes his beliefs clear while Obama studders and tries to find safe words by not stating any certain position.

2. McCain being a POW had to instill character traits and inner strength that the average person would not understand.

3. McCain is strongly pro life while Obama is OK with babies being killed AFTER THEY ARE BORN AND OUTSIDE THE WOMB. THIS IS INFANTICIDE.

4. McCain knows that Islamic terrorists cannot be negotiated with. Our very existance is an abomination to them and they want nothing else but for us to die. Obama wants to talk to them lending them legitimacy and enabling them to be much more of a threat. I feel much safer with McCain leading our military.

5. McCain has infinitely more experience than Obama. It's laughable how dems are criticizing Mccain's vp choice for inexperience when the person they want to be PRESIDENT has so very little.

6. Obama has called the hateful Jeremiah Wright his mentor and then tried to say he doesn't share his beliefs. This should insult people's intelligence. A mentor teaches.

7.Obama is a 20 year friend of Bill Aires who is involved with the weatherman organization who are responsible for bombings, a prison break, and a Brinks armed robbery.

How could any sensible person want this person to lead their country?! What are you trying to do to us??

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Theo, I have heard all of the important ones on the news. Again, most of that is not news worthy. Again with associations that are not important, words that are taken out of context, and some misspoken words. Everybody does that. Bush did it more than most, actually. But I live in Chi, so maybe my view and news is different. And i always thought the flag thing was dumb. Why should he wear it every day? Because everyone else does?Nintendo_Ownes7

Their is a saying "If you want to know what type of person they are look at the type of Company they keep." So if we know nothing about Obama and he refuses to do interviews and tries to dance around the issues judge him by the company he keeps it is the 2nd best thing because you wouldn't be hanging around with them if you didn't agree with them.

How is abortion punishing a "baby"?

-Austin-

Oh, that's right, the pro-"choice" movement likes to play with words.

Baby. Fetus. Human. Embryo. Call it whatever the living **** you feel like, but killing a BABY for the crimes of a rapist is wrong. Abortion should be reserved for life-threatening situations only; other situtations can call for adoption or even some form of "Abandoned Infants Protection Act" where the person leaves the baby in a hospital, police station or fire station with no questions asked. Such acts do exist.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Scarker"]

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.-Austin-

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

Uh..Obama will raise taxes and his policies will waste the revenue.

Obama is going to cut taxes overall by 0.3% The only people who will get a tax raise are people who make over $600,000 dollars year according to the chart. McCain has people under $60,000 dollars paying 60% of taxes.

The top income earners are paying a huge majority or our taxes currently. Aren't the dems always saying the economy in trouble? The should stop burdening the business with all the stupid taxes.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Yeah and she is against what most women stand for.

She is anti-abortion, pro-gun and anti gay rights.

Hillary supporters have to be sick in the head to vote for that.

-Austin-

The pro-choice thing is false. There are plenty of pro-life women, and Sarah Palin is a member of a feminist pro-life group herself.

Obama also opposes homosexuality.;)

No he doesn't.

Mr. Obama issued a similar statement after Newsday reported yesterday that he had dodged repeated questions on the morality of homosexuality. "I do not agree with General Pace that homosexuality is immoral," the Illinois senator said. "Attempts to divide people like this have consumed too much of our politics over the past six years."

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He has a bunch of campaign supporters who are very anti-gay. He supports civil unions(which is good) but not gay marriage(which IMHO it should be left to individual churches to decide whether they want to or not). His support for the LGBT community is paper thin.

I think most Americans are against gay marriage.

I don't think anyone but the individual churches should have control over whether gay marriage is allowed or not. Government should not have its hands in religious matters. The benefits of marriage should apply to any legal hetero- or homo-sexual couple within a civil union. The term Marriage should be left for religion based ceremonies.

Either way, since both McCain and Obama support civil unions that offer all the same benefits, I don't see much reason to complain. A couple can set up a marriage ceremony, and someone of authority can run the show. Who knows, maybe a Pro-gay marriage minister/pastor/etc. It's all superficial, and there's no reason for a group of people to force a religion to perform gay marriages if they don't want to, and there's no reason to deny a religion to perform gay marriages for people if they so choose to.

I don't know why this can't be a simple decision. Get federal and state-wide hands off religion, and let the churches decide for themselves.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Scarker"]

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.-Austin-

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

Uh..Obama will raise taxes and his policies will waste the revenue.

Obama is going to cut taxes overall by 0.3% The only people who will get a tax raise are people who make over $600,000 dollars year according to the chart. McCain has people under $60,000 dollars paying 60% of taxes.

I'm looking at the Average which McCain is Cutting taxes by 2% which is $1,195. Obama's Tax cuts are 0.3% which is $160.

I'll give some real reasons to vote for McCain.

1. He doesn't mince words. He makes his beliefs clear while Obama studders and tries to find safe words by not stating any certain position.

2. McCain being a POW had to instill character traits and inner strength that the average person would not understand.

3. McCain is strongly pro life while Obama is OK with babies being killed AFTER THEY ARE BORN AND OUTSIDE THE WOMB. THIS IS INFANTICIDE.

4. McCain knows that Islamic terrorists cannot be negotiated with. Our very existance is an abomination to them and they want nothing else but for us to die. Obama wants to talk to them lending them legitimacy and enabling them to be much more of a threat. I feel much safer with McCain leading our military.

5. McCain has infinitely more experience than Obama. It's laughable how dems are criticizing Mccain's vp choice for inexperience when the person they want to be PRESIDENT has so very little.

6. Obama has called the hateful Jeremiah Wright his mentor and then tried to say he doesn't share his beliefs. This should insult people's intelligence. A mentor teaches.

7.Obama is a 20 year friend of Bill Aires who is involved with the weatherman organization who are responsible for bombings, a prison break, and a Brinks armed robbery.

How could any sensible person want this person to lead their country?! What are you trying to do to us??

Trashface

McCain will probably die in office especially if he served two terms. Sorry, his VP is terrible. McCain pretty much ruined any chance he had of winning by picking what might be the worst running mate in the history of running mates.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Yeah and she is against what most women stand for.

She is anti-abortion, pro-gun and anti gay rights.

Hillary supporters have to be sick in the head to vote for that.

Lockedge

The pro-choice thing is false. There are plenty of pro-life women, and Sarah Palin is a member of a feminist pro-life group herself.

Obama also opposes homosexuality.;)

No he doesn't.

Mr. Obama issued a similar statement after Newsday reported yesterday that he had dodged repeated questions on the morality of homosexuality. "I do not agree with General Pace that homosexuality is immoral," the Illinois senator said. "Attempts to divide people like this have consumed too much of our politics over the past six years."

Source

He has a bunch of campaign supporters who are very anti-gay. He supports civil unions(which is good) but not gay marriage(which IMHO it should be left to individual churches to decide whether they want to or not). His support for the LGBT community is paper thin.

I think most Americans are against gay marriage.

I don't think anyone but the individual churches should have control over whether gay marriage is allowed or not. Government should not have its hands in religious matters. The benefits of marriage should apply to any legal hetero- or homo-sexual couple within a civil union. The term Marriage should be left for religion based ceremonies.

Either way, since both McCain and Obama support civil unions that offer all the same benefits, I don't see much reason to complain. A couple can set up a marriage ceremony, and someone of authority can run the show. Who knows, maybe a Pro-gay marriage minister/pastor/etc. It's all superficial, and there's no reason for a group of people to force a religion to perform gay marriages if they don't want to, and there's no reason to deny a religion to perform gay marriages for people if they so choose to.

I don't know why this can't be a simple decision. Get federal and state-wide hands off religion, and let the churches decide for themselves.

Exactly. Seperation of church and state was originally designed to protect the church from government, but the dems have twisted it for their own gains.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

I'll give some real reasons to vote for McCain.

1. He doesn't mince words. He makes his beliefs clear while Obama studders and tries to find safe words by not stating any certain position.

2. McCain being a POW had to instill character traits and inner strength that the average person would not understand.

3. McCain is strongly pro life while Obama is OK with babies being killed AFTER THEY ARE BORN AND OUTSIDE THE WOMB. THIS IS INFANTICIDE.

4. McCain knows that Islamic terrorists cannot be negotiated with. Our very existance is an abomination to them and they want nothing else but for us to die. Obama wants to talk to them lending them legitimacy and enabling them to be much more of a threat. I feel much safer with McCain leading our military.

5. McCain has infinitely more experience than Obama. It's laughable how dems are criticizing Mccain's vp choice for inexperience when the person they want to be PRESIDENT has so very little.

6. Obama has called the hateful Jeremiah Wright his mentor and then tried to say he doesn't share his beliefs. This should insult people's intelligence. A mentor teaches.

7.Obama is a 20 year friend of Bill Aires who is involved with the weatherman organization who are responsible for bombings, a prison break, and a Brinks armed robbery.

How could any sensible person want this person to lead their country?! What are you trying to do to us??

-Austin-

McCain will probably die in office especially if he served two terms.

:lol::lol::lol:

MASSIVE "if"s there.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is abortion punishing a "baby"?

Theokhoth

Oh, that's right, the pro-"choice" movement likes to play with words.

Baby. Fetus. Human. Embryo. Call it whatever the living **** you feel like, but killing a BABY for the crimes of a rapist is wrong. Abortion should be reserved for life-threatening situations only; other situtations can call for adoption or even some form of "Abandoned Infants Protection Act" where the person leaves the baby in a hospital, police station or fire station with no questions asked. Such acts do exist.

Being aborted before you are actually alive isn't really punishment. Why should the rape vicitim by punished by giving birth to the child?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is abortion punishing a "baby"?

-Austin-

Oh, that's right, the pro-"choice" movement likes to play with words.

Baby. Fetus. Human. Embryo. Call it whatever the living **** you feel like, but killing a BABY for the crimes of a rapist is wrong. Abortion should be reserved for life-threatening situations only; other situtations can call for adoption or even some form of "Abandoned Infants Protection Act" where the person leaves the baby in a hospital, police station or fire station with no questions asked. Such acts do exist.

Being aborted before you are actually alive isn't really punishment. Why should the rape vicitim by punished by giving birth to the child?

Um, fetuses are alive.:roll: How is giving birth punishment?

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

I'll give some real reasons to vote for McCain.

1. He doesn't mince words. He makes his beliefs clear while Obama studders and tries to find safe words by not stating any certain position.

2. McCain being a POW had to instill character traits and inner strength that the average person would not understand.

3. McCain is strongly pro life while Obama is OK with babies being killed AFTER THEY ARE BORN AND OUTSIDE THE WOMB. THIS IS INFANTICIDE.

4. McCain knows that Islamic terrorists cannot be negotiated with. Our very existance is an abomination to them and they want nothing else but for us to die. Obama wants to talk to them lending them legitimacy and enabling them to be much more of a threat. I feel much safer with McCain leading our military.

5. McCain has infinitely more experience than Obama. It's laughable how dems are criticizing Mccain's vp choice for inexperience when the person they want to be PRESIDENT has so very little.

6. Obama has called the hateful Jeremiah Wright his mentor and then tried to say he doesn't share his beliefs. This should insult people's intelligence. A mentor teaches.

7.Obama is a 20 year friend of Bill Aires who is involved with the weatherman organization who are responsible for bombings, a prison break, and a Brinks armed robbery.

How could any sensible person want this person to lead their country?! What are you trying to do to us??

Theokhoth

McCain will probably die in office especially if he served two terms.

:lol::lol::lol:

MASSIVE "if"s there.

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

I'll give some real reasons to vote for McCain.

1. He doesn't mince words. He makes his beliefs clear while Obama studders and tries to find safe words by not stating any certain position.

2. McCain being a POW had to instill character traits and inner strength that the average person would not understand.

3. McCain is strongly pro life while Obama is OK with babies being killed AFTER THEY ARE BORN AND OUTSIDE THE WOMB. THIS IS INFANTICIDE.

4. McCain knows that Islamic terrorists cannot be negotiated with. Our very existance is an abomination to them and they want nothing else but for us to die. Obama wants to talk to them lending them legitimacy and enabling them to be much more of a threat. I feel much safer with McCain leading our military.

5. McCain has infinitely more experience than Obama. It's laughable how dems are criticizing Mccain's vp choice for inexperience when the person they want to be PRESIDENT has so very little.

6. Obama has called the hateful Jeremiah Wright his mentor and then tried to say he doesn't share his beliefs. This should insult people's intelligence. A mentor teaches.

7.Obama is a 20 year friend of Bill Aires who is involved with the weatherman organization who are responsible for bombings, a prison break, and a Brinks armed robbery.

How could any sensible person want this person to lead their country?! What are you trying to do to us??

-Austin-

McCain will probably die in office especially if he served two terms. Sorry, his VP is terrible. McCain pretty much ruined any chance he had of winning by picking what might be the worst running mate in the history of running mates.

Actually she's a great pick. McCain is more moderate while she is more to the right. She's apparently a very strong woman with great standards. She's also very familiar with how the oil industry workls and what we need to do to stop depending on others for oil as much. She has an %80 approval rating in Alaska, so it seems to me she knows what she's doing. Once again , your argument is laughable. You say, well McCain's gonna die, so she might have to take office. YOU WANT TO PUT SOMEONE EVEN LESS EXPERIENCED DIRECTLY IN THE OFFICE. Obama served 143 days in senate and before that he was a street activist. Good grief.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is abortion punishing a "baby"?

Theokhoth

Oh, that's right, the pro-"choice" movement likes to play with words.

Baby. Fetus. Human. Embryo. Call it whatever the living **** you feel like, but killing a BABY for the crimes of a rapist is wrong. Abortion should be reserved for life-threatening situations only; other situtations can call for adoption or even some form of "Abandoned Infants Protection Act" where the person leaves the baby in a hospital, police station or fire station with no questions asked. Such acts do exist.

Being aborted before you are actually alive isn't really punishment. Why should the rape vicitim by punished by giving birth to the child?

Um, fetuses are alive.:roll: How is giving birth punishment?

Because giving birth is painful...

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

I'll give some real reasons to vote for McCain.

1. He doesn't mince words. He makes his beliefs clear while Obama studders and tries to find safe words by not stating any certain position.

2. McCain being a POW had to instill character traits and inner strength that the average person would not understand.

3. McCain is strongly pro life while Obama is OK with babies being killed AFTER THEY ARE BORN AND OUTSIDE THE WOMB. THIS IS INFANTICIDE.

4. McCain knows that Islamic terrorists cannot be negotiated with. Our very existance is an abomination to them and they want nothing else but for us to die. Obama wants to talk to them lending them legitimacy and enabling them to be much more of a threat. I feel much safer with McCain leading our military.

5. McCain has infinitely more experience than Obama. It's laughable how dems are criticizing Mccain's vp choice for inexperience when the person they want to be PRESIDENT has so very little.

6. Obama has called the hateful Jeremiah Wright his mentor and then tried to say he doesn't share his beliefs. This should insult people's intelligence. A mentor teaches.

7.Obama is a 20 year friend of Bill Aires who is involved with the weatherman organization who are responsible for bombings, a prison break, and a Brinks armed robbery.

How could any sensible person want this person to lead their country?! What are you trying to do to us??

Trashface

McCain will probably die in office especially if he served two terms. Sorry, his VP is terrible. McCain pretty much ruined any chance he had of winning by picking what might be the worst running mate in the history of running mates.

Actually she's a great pick. McCain is more moderate while she is more to the right. She's apparently a very strong woman with great standards. She's also very familiar with how the oil industry workls and what we need to do to stop depending on others for oil as much. She has an %80 approval rating in Alaska, so it seems to me she knows what she's doing. Once again , your argument is laughable. You say, well McCain's gonna die, so she might have to take office. YOU WANT TO PUT SOMEONE EVEN LESS EXPERIENCED DIRECTLY IN THE OFFICE. Obama served 143 days in senate and before that he was a street activist. Good grief.

My problem with her has nothing to do with experience.

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

-Austin-

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is abortion punishing a "baby"?

-Austin-

Oh, that's right, the pro-"choice" movement likes to play with words.

Baby. Fetus. Human. Embryo. Call it whatever the living **** you feel like, but killing a BABY for the crimes of a rapist is wrong. Abortion should be reserved for life-threatening situations only; other situtations can call for adoption or even some form of "Abandoned Infants Protection Act" where the person leaves the baby in a hospital, police station or fire station with no questions asked. Such acts do exist.

Being aborted before you are actually alive isn't really punishment. Why should the rape vicitim by punished by giving birth to the child?

I dont agree with Obama on how late you can have an abortion.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is abortion punishing a "baby"?

-Austin-

Oh, that's right, the pro-"choice" movement likes to play with words.

Baby. Fetus. Human. Embryo. Call it whatever the living **** you feel like, but killing a BABY for the crimes of a rapist is wrong. Abortion should be reserved for life-threatening situations only; other situtations can call for adoption or even some form of "Abandoned Infants Protection Act" where the person leaves the baby in a hospital, police station or fire station with no questions asked. Such acts do exist.

Being aborted before you are actually alive isn't really punishment. Why should the rape vicitim by punished by giving birth to the child?

haha. That selfish me me me philosophy that's destroying the culture. Being denied your life isn't punishment? What twisted logic.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is abortion punishing a "baby"?

-Austin-

Oh, that's right, the pro-"choice" movement likes to play with words.

Baby. Fetus. Human. Embryo. Call it whatever the living **** you feel like, but killing a BABY for the crimes of a rapist is wrong. Abortion should be reserved for life-threatening situations only; other situtations can call for adoption or even some form of "Abandoned Infants Protection Act" where the person leaves the baby in a hospital, police station or fire station with no questions asked. Such acts do exist.

Being aborted before you are actually alive isn't really punishment. Why should the rape vicitim by punished by giving birth to the child?

Because giving birth is painful...

-Austin-

Thank God for drugs. . . .and C-sections. . . . .and, you know, the fact that the pain passes fairly quickly once the baby is out. . . .

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

Theokhoth

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

You can find his medical papers, all 1,500 of them. If there is even a chance of him dying in office, his VP choice becomes a very big issue.

I dont agree with Obama on how late you can have an abortion.

AgileNate

According to Obama, you can have an abortion after being passed through the placenta, having the umbilical cut, being cleaned, and having your eyes open the first time. In other words, after birth. The only qualification is: you must have survived an abortion.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

supercubedude64

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

You can find his medical papers, all 1,500 of them. If there is even a chance of him dying in office, his VP choice becomes a very big issue.

Why is it she is an issue?

[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]

What the heck happened to the Optimism of America? That it doesn't matter who you are, or where you came from, but if you want it enough and work hard enough, you can achieve what you want?

My dad was born into poverty. He told me about having to get clothes from the Salvation Army. In life he gained skills and knowledge while working, eventually left his company, opened a business and works his butt off sometimes going without sleep to gain success. Now he's paying for 2 kids to go to college (including my apartment), building a huge cabin in the Catskills, drives a beautiful car and loves what he does. He said he wouldn't have it any other way. That his greatest joy is working and seeing me succeed because of hard work.

And you want to increase his taxes? He finally achieves a level of comfort and security, and you want to start taking that a way? My dads not a greedy man. He pays his employees fairly and make sure all of them are taken care of. AND YOU WANT TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM PEOPLE LIKE HIM? How is that moral? How is that right? HOW DARE YOU!

Then a buddy of mine who is a composer, who could barely pay for food. He worked his butt off and is now one of the top composers in the industry. Your gonna punish his hard work by increasing his taxes?

Not to mention both McCain and Obama don't address a huge issue, and thats spending. Instead of saying "lets cut spending cause we're printing money out of thin air which weakens our dollar and our economy" you have a guy like Obama saying "I'm gonna increase taxes and spend even more than George Bush did (who spent like a mad man)."

Lockedge

Your father and friend are wonderful success stories. Is it moral? Is it right? How should I know. Cutting taxes for the rich wouldn't help, much like putting a lot of extra tax on the rich wouldn't help.

This spending situation is a debacle. On one hand, if we can minimize spending in Iraq, that would be great.Once out of there, we could slash at least $150 billion off our defense budget and allocate it to where the "extra tax" would have gone to, in a more efficient and reasonable way. Such as education, which is floundering.

Have you seen how much this country spends on Education already?

Dumping money into a system that isn't working isn't going to save it.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

Theokhoth

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

It's not really blind speculation. He would be 77 at the end of his first term.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

supercubedude64

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

You can find his medical papers, all 1,500 of them. If there is even a chance of him dying in office, his VP choice becomes a very big issue.

She shouldn't be that big of an issue to Obama supporters. She has more experience than he does, after all. The only issue is her Conservative ideals, and the Liberal party would be concerned about that anyway, and if McCain does win and die then there'll be no stopping it then.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

-Austin-

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

It's not really blind speculation. He would be 77 at the end of his first term.

My grandfather is 78 and alive. The average lifespan of Americans is 77-80 years. I think McCain will be fine, barring a heart attack or assasination.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]

What the heck happened to the Optimism of America? That it doesn't matter who you are, or where you came from, but if you want it enough and work hard enough, you can achieve what you want?

My dad was born into poverty. He told me about having to get clothes from the Salvation Army. In life he gained skills and knowledge while working, eventually left his company, opened a business and works his butt off sometimes going without sleep to gain success. Now he's paying for 2 kids to go to college (including my apartment), building a huge cabin in the Catskills, drives a beautiful car and loves what he does. He said he wouldn't have it any other way. That his greatest joy is working and seeing me succeed because of hard work.

And you want to increase his taxes? He finally achieves a level of comfort and security, and you want to start taking that a way? My dads not a greedy man. He pays his employees fairly and make sure all of them are taken care of. AND YOU WANT TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM PEOPLE LIKE HIM? How is that moral? How is that right? HOW DARE YOU!

Then a buddy of mine who is a composer, who could barely pay for food. He worked his butt off and is now one of the top composers in the industry. Your gonna punish his hard work by increasing his taxes?

Not to mention both McCain and Obama don't address a huge issue, and thats spending. Instead of saying "lets cut spending cause we're printing money out of thin air which weakens our dollar and our economy" you have a guy like Obama saying "I'm gonna increase taxes and spend even more than George Bush did (who spent like a mad man)."

InterpolWilco

Your father and friend are wonderful success stories. Is it moral? Is it right? How should I know. Cutting taxes for the rich wouldn't help, much like putting a lot of extra tax on the rich wouldn't help.

This spending situation is a debacle. On one hand, if we can minimize spending in Iraq, that would be great.Once out of there, we could slash at least $150 billion off our defense budget and allocate it to where the "extra tax" would have gone to, in a more efficient and reasonable way. Such as education, which is floundering.

Have you seen how much this country spends on Education already?

Dumping money into a system that isn't working isn't going to save it.

Yeah....increasing education budgets and renovating schools is a terrible idea...:roll:

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.Scarker

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

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Now that is what I'm talking about.

I don't get why consevatives are against this.

The rich can pay higher taxes, they ARE rich, right?

The middle cl@ss needs these tax cuts. NOT THE RICH.

Obamas cuts are not for the middle cl@ss The biggest cuts are for the porr, who barley pay any taxes already. Also taxing the wealthy is not a sound economic plan. Democrats always do it and it never works.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

Theokhoth

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

It's not really blind speculation. He would be 77 at the end of his first term.

My grandfather is 78 and alive. The average lifespan of Americans is 77-80 years. I think McCain will be fine, barring a heart attack or assasination.

So McCain has almost reached the average lifespan and you want him to have the most important job in the country?

UOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Scarker"]

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.kingyotoX

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

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Now that is what I'm talking about.

I don't get why consevatives are against this.

The rich can pay higher taxes, they ARE rich, right?

The middle cl@ss needs these tax cuts. NOT THE RICH.

Obamas cuts are not for the middle cl@ss The biggest cuts are for the porr, who barley pay any taxes already. Also taxing the wealthy is not a sound economic plan. Democrats always do it and it never works.

Terrible spelling.

Anyways, the reason the poor have the lowest taxes are becuase.....they are poor.

So McCain has almost reached the average lifespan and you want him to have the most important job in the country?

-Austin-

Yes, because he demonstrates absolutely no physical or mental sign that he is incapable of leading the nation. All this "McCain is old" crap is nothing more than unfounded ageism. It's the same as bashing Obama for his skin color or Hillary for her gender.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Yeah and she is against what most women stand for.

She is anti-abortion, pro-gun and anti gay rights.

Hillary supporters have to be sick in the head to vote for that.

Trashface

The pro-choice thing is false. There are plenty of pro-life women, and Sarah Palin is a member of a feminist pro-life group herself.

Obama also opposes homosexuality.;)

No he doesn't.

Mr. Obama issued a similar statement after Newsday reported yesterday that he had dodged repeated questions on the morality of homosexuality. "I do not agree with General Pace that homosexuality is immoral," the Illinois senator said. "Attempts to divide people like this have consumed too much of our politics over the past six years."

Source

He has a bunch of campaign supporters who are very anti-gay. He supports civil unions(which is good) but not gay marriage(which IMHO it should be left to individual churches to decide whether they want to or not). His support for the LGBT community is paper thin.

I think most Americans are against gay marriage.

I don't think anyone but the individual churches should have control over whether gay marriage is allowed or not. Government should not have its hands in religious matters. The benefits of marriage should apply to any legal hetero- or homo-sexual couple within a civil union. The term Marriage should be left for religion based ceremonies.

Either way, since both McCain and Obama support civil unions that offer all the same benefits, I don't see much reason to complain. A couple can set up a marriage ceremony, and someone of authority can run the show. Who knows, maybe a Pro-gay marriage minister/pastor/etc. It's all superficial, and there's no reason for a group of people to force a religion to perform gay marriages if they don't want to, and there's no reason to deny a religion to perform gay marriages for people if they so choose to.

I don't know why this can't be a simple decision. Get federal and state-wide hands off religion, and let the churches decide for themselves.

Exactly. Seperation of church and state was originally designed to protect the church from government, but the dems have twisted it for their own gains.

The democrats were the ones who helped fight to get anti-gay laws dissolved in many states. Yes, the democrats have done some twisting, but they're the closest thing pushing for equal rights. Marriage isn't a right, but the benefits married couples receive from the government can be seen as such. Those benefits should apply to both sides of the coin across all states, retroactively convert marriage licenses to Civil unions, and let religion do what they feel is best. That way, people can enjoy the same benefits, and get married wherever they're accepted; getting rid of costly court cases, debate on gay marriage, and cross-state marriage license tranfers.

Separation of church and state was indeed meant to protect the church from the government, but that also means the government should be protected from the church. A council of people's spiritual beliefs should have no hold on individual rights.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

supercubedude64

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

You can find his medical papers, all 1,500 of them. If there is even a chance of him dying in office, his VP choice becomes a very big issue.

Hey at least McCain gives people access to his past. You know Obama's campaign has blocked access to documentation of his pst, right? Who knows what he's hiding with ties to people such as Bill Aires. I can't believe people are actually trying to elect someone WITH TIES TO TERRORISTS. It's like some want to purposefully destroy the country.

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]UOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Scarker"]

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.-Austin-

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

UOTE]

Now that is what I'm talking about.

I don't get why consevatives are against this.

The rich can pay higher taxes, they ARE rich, right?

The middle cl@ss needs these tax cuts. NOT THE RICH.

Obamas cuts are not for the middle cl@ss The biggest cuts are for the porr, who barley pay any taxes already. Also taxing the wealthy is not a sound economic plan. Democrats always do it and it never works.

Terrible spelling.

Anyways, the reason the poor have the lowest taxes are becuase.....they are poor.

sorry for my poor spelling, i'm from russia....

The poor already pay hardly any money in taxes there is no reason for them to be lowered.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

So McCain has almost reached the average lifespan and you want him to have the most important job in the country?

Theokhoth

Yes, because he demonstrates absolutely no physical or mental sign that he is incapable of leading the nation. All this "McCain is old" crap is nothing more than unfounded ageism. It's the same as bashing Obama for his skin color or Hillary for her gender.

It's not the same. Race and gender won't affect your ability to do you job. Age more than likely will.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="kingyotoX"]UOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Scarker"]

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"]nd, his tax plan will only have us forking over half of what Obama had in mind.kingyotoX

Obama's tax plans are much better than McCain's.

UOTE]

Now that is what I'm talking about.

I don't get why consevatives are against this.

The rich can pay higher taxes, they ARE rich, right?

The middle cl@ss needs these tax cuts. NOT THE RICH.

Obamas cuts are not for the middle cl@ss The biggest cuts are for the porr, who barley pay any taxes already. Also taxing the wealthy is not a sound economic plan. Democrats always do it and it never works.

Terrible spelling.

Anyways, the reason the poor have the lowest taxes are becuase.....they are poor.

sorry for my poor spelling, i'm from russia....

The poor already pay hardly any money in taxes there is no reason for them to be lowered.

They can't afford to even turn their heat on in the winter. I think that's a pretty decent reason to decrease their taxation.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

So McCain has almost reached the average lifespan and you want him to have the most important job in the country?

-Austin-

Yes, because he demonstrates absolutely no physical or mental sign that he is incapable of leading the nation. All this "McCain is old" crap is nothing more than unfounded ageism. It's the same as bashing Obama for his skin color or Hillary for her gender.

It's not the same. Race and gender won't affect your ability to do you job. Age more than likely will.

And if it were the case with McCain, he would have demonstrated long before now signs that his age is catching up to him during his time in the Senate, or on his campaign.

He has not. Therefore, this speculation is unfounded and bigoted.

[QUOTE="supercubedude64"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Um...he's already almost 73. I think he's on borrowed time as it is.

Trashface

Do you know his medical conditions? His heart rate? Do you have access to his medical papers?

No?

So you have only blind speculation based on his age to go "well, he might die in presidency, so he shouldn't be voted for."

You can find his medical papers, all 1,500 of them. If there is even a chance of him dying in office, his VP choice becomes a very big issue.

Hey at least McCain gives people access to his past. You know Obama's campaign has blocked access to documentation of his pst, right? Who knows what he's hiding with ties to people such as Bill Aires. I can't believe people are actually trying to elect someone WITH TIES TO TERRORISTS. It's like some want to purposefully destroy the country.

Prove it