Wikileaks founder has classified footage of a US airstrike killing 140 Afghans.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

Yeah, I'm sure people will believed the biased content released by Wikileaks again...

SgtKevali

Dead civilians are dead civilians, irrelevant of the circumstances under which they were killed. It's important that people see that war causes the death of many civilians.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

I'm assuming you agree that whatever took place here is "justified by military, or civilian necessity", redeeming the action from any of the mentioned criterias or definitions thereof, correct? :)

Well, that's where we disagree, the justification of the action that took place. I'm assuming the U.S military had poor justification behind the action, and I guess you're assuming the U.S military have solid justification behind the action.

LJS9502_basic

the death... of civilians.. does not inherently NOT make... it a war crime... i also like how you want me to prove it was unjustified... by a video that has not been released yet... that's not fair or logical to demand... when everything in this thread is based on assumptions as to what really went on... if you supported the action, no demand for evidence is stated... but if you're against the action, here you are asking for evidence... it's beautiful really..

k? ;)

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I can guarantee they will. Not everyone, mainly Anti War People will use it as a stepping stone. SaudiFury

Dead civilians are dead civilians, irrelevant of the circumstances under which they were killed. It's important that people see that war causes the death of many civilians.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

YOUR telling me how MY units MOUT training is conducted? Are you kidding me? Please tell me your just trolling...

BiancaDK

What is MOUT training?

Wait, don't tell me, I really don't care tbh. :)

Military Operations on Urban Terrain. If you don't care, then don't post. And you didn't address the rest of my post. Nice try.

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the death... of civilians.. does not inherently NOT make... it a war crime... i also like how you want me to prove it was unjustified... by a video that has not been released yet... that's not fair or logical to demand... when everything in this thread is based on assumptions as to what really went on... if you supported the action, no demand for evidence is stated... but if you're against the action, here you are asking for evidence... it's beautiful really..

k? ;)

BiancaDK

Then in the absence of proof....the prudent thing is not to call it a war crime. You know what they say about assumptions.;)

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

Great news in it's own sad way, but looking forward to seeing more evidence of war crimes committed by the U.S military. =) Hopefully international public support will take a dive after this.

UnknownSniper65

Let's not forget how the Taliban fire rockets and mortars into girls schools ON PURPOSE. But they're freedom fighters! Amiright!!!

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] uh, not really (again) :|BiancaDK

War crimes are "violations of the laws or customs of war"; including "murder, the ill-treatment or deportation of civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps", "the murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war", the killing of hostages, "the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military, or civilian necessity"

None of which fits...

I'm assuming you agree that whatever took place here is "justified by military, or civilian necessity", redeeming the action from any of the mentioned criterias or definitions thereof, correct? :)

Well, that's where we disagree, the justification of the action that took place. I'm assuming the U.S military had poor justification behind the action, and I guess you're assuming the U.S military have solid justification behind the action.

We don't even know the circumstances of the video. For all we knowthe plane's navigation might have failed or the information was mixed up. Why would you assume we had poor justification without knowing anything about what happened.

Military Operations on Urban Terrain. If you don't care, then don't post. And you didn't address the rest of my post. Nice try.

SpartanMSU

I can post as much as I want to, and care as little as I choose to. :) *thumbs up*

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Then in the absence of proof....the prudent thing is not to call it a war crime. You know what they say about assumptions.;)

BiancaDK

We don't even know the circumstances of the video. For all we knowthe plane's navigation might have failed or the information was mixed up. Why would you assume we had poor justification without knowing anything about what happened.

Jaybird36

Why would I assume the U.S had good justification without knowing anything about what happened?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]I can guarantee they will. Not everyone, mainly Anti War People will use it as a stepping stone. airshocker

And it'll be defended just as vehemently as the other WikiLeaks video was,

We don't even know the circumstances of the video. For all we knowthe plane's navigation might have failed or the information was mixed up. Why would you assume we had poor justification without knowing anything about what happened.

Jaybird36

Not an assumption......the operations are justified...but since you wish to damn the US military...it's rather pointless to discuss this. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Military Operations on Urban Terrain. If you don't care, then don't post. And you didn't address the rest of my post. Nice try.

BiancaDK

I can post as much as I want to, and care as little as I choose to. :) *thumbs up*

You asked me a question and then said wait don't answer because I don't care. Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

And again, you're avoiding addressing the rest of my post. You're making a fool out of yourself.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not an assumption......the operations are justified...but since you wish to damn the US military...it's rather pointless to discuss this. BiancaDK

[QUOTE="Jaybird36"]

We don't even know the circumstances of the video. For all we knowthe plane's navigation might have failed or the information was mixed up. Why would you assume we had poor justification without knowing anything about what happened.

BiancaDK

Why would I assume the U.S had good justification without knowing anything about what happened?

I choose to assume people are innocent until proven guilty. I do not believe the US Military would intentionally kill civilians. Why are you so adamant they did?

You asked me a question and then said wait don't answer because I don't care.

And again, you're avoiding addressing the rest of my post.

SpartanMSU

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"] You must be looking forward to the Taliban releasing footage that shows their suicide bombers or IEDs killing civilians. Of course such videos don't even make it out into the public because the Taliban know it would discredit their war effort. Odd how people seem so willing to bash NATO for accidentally killing civilians,but are willing to completely ignore when the Taliban does it accidentally ,or in many cases purposely. I am completely sickened by this.UnknownSniper65

Let's not forget how the Taliban fire rockets and mortars into girls schools ON PURPOSE. But they're freedom fighters! Amiright!!!

It's disgusting. And you comes and helps with the wounded innocents? The U.S./UK and other militaries there. BiancaDK obviously shuts her eyes and yells to ignore this kind of news though.

You asked me a question and then said wait don't answer because I don't care. Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

And again, you're avoiding addressing the rest of my post. You're making a fool out of yourself.

SpartanMSU

lol ok. :)

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

gt;

You asked me a question and then said wait don't answer because I don't care. Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

And again, you're avoiding addressing the rest of my post. You're making a fool out of yourself.

BiancaDK

lol ok. :)

How oh so mature of you.

I'm still waiting for this video wikileaks suppose to have. how many days has it been?

People die in war boo hoo deal with it. :| MrLions

I haven't predisposed myself as you have....but the US operates as cleanly as is possible in war. LJS9502_basic

I choose to assume people are innocent until proven guilty. I do not believe the US Military would intentionally kill civilians. Why are you so adamant they did?

mattisgod01

If the video contains even half of what the decription says it does, I'm going to be hard pressed assuming the U.S military innocent on this one.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I haven't predisposed myself as you have....but the US operates as cleanly as is possible in war. BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Jaybird36"]

We don't even know the circumstances of the video. For all we knowthe plane's navigation might have failed or the information was mixed up. Why would you assume we had poor justification without knowing anything about what happened.

mattisgod01

Why would I assume the U.S had good justification without knowing anything about what happened?

I choose to assume people are innocent until proven guilty. I do not believe the US Military would intentionally kill civilians. Why are you so adamant they did?

Exactly. The military is not horrible like you think they are.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I haven't predisposed myself as you have....but the US operates as cleanly as is possible in war. BiancaDK

I choose to assume people are innocent until proven guilty. I do not believe the US Military would intentionally kill civilians. Why are you so adamant they did?

mattisgod01

If the video contains even half of what the decription says it does, I'm going to be hard pressed assuming the U.S military innocent on this one.

What would the U.S. have to gain from intentionally killing civilians?

Great news in it's own sad way, but looking forward to seeing more evidence of war crimes committed by the U.S military. =) Hopefully international public support will take a dive after this.

BiancaDK

Well unlike you apparently....I need to see evidence of wrongdoing BEFORE I assume it. In the US....innocent until proven guilty does mean something. ;)

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I haven't predisposed myself as you have....but the US operates as cleanly as is possible in war. BiancaDK

I choose to assume people are innocent until proven guilty. I do not believe the US Military would intentionally kill civilians. Why are you so adamant they did?

mattisgod01

If the video contains even half of what the decription says it does, I'm going to be hard pressed assuming the U.S military innocent on this one.

Even if it does show the US killing civilians it is not likely to show the intent. It all comes down to the intent, Was is a deliberate attack on civilians or was it an accident. From what i've read from your posts so far its almost as if you hope they did it intentionally.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Well unlike you apparently....I need to see evidence of wrongdoing BEFORE I assume it. In the US....innocent until proven guilty does mean something. ;)

BiancaDK

Exactly. The military is not horrible like you think they are.

Jaybird36

What would the U.S. have to gain from intentionally killing civilians?

SpartanMSU

Good question, It'll be interesting finding out when the video is released. :)

[QUOTE="Jaybird36"]

Exactly. The military is not horrible like you think they are.

BiancaDK

What would the U.S. have to gain from intentionally killing civilians?

SpartanMSU

Good question, It'll be interesting finding out when the video is released. :)

Good question, It'll be interesting finding out when the video is released. :)

BiancaDK

[QUOTE="Jaybird36"]

Exactly. The military is not horrible like you think they are.

BiancaDK

What would the U.S. have to gain from intentionally killing civilians?

SpartanMSU

Good question, It'll be interesting finding out when the video is released. :)

Wow.

And it was a general question. The video isn't needed to answer it.

Do you not know the definition of intentional and accidental?

It's a good thing you don't run this country. We would be a third world country with the rest of them.Mystic-G

Wait, what?

I hope you can see the different between intentional and accidental civilian deaths. Mystic-G

Even if it does show the US killing civilians it is not likely to show the intent. It all comes down to the intent, Was is a deliberate attack on civilians or was it an accident. From what i've read from your posts so far its almost as if you hope they did it intentionally.

mattisgod01

You guys realize you're arguing with a person who is essentially only saying, "Nu uh, you're wrong!"

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

Good question, It'll be interesting finding out when the video is released. :)

stanley_baldwin

Wow... I didn't think I'd have to break that down for someone.

A person who thinks the military is bad would most likely back down from a lot of conflicts. You have two preliminary choices in war, bring the war to them or let them bring it to you. If we back down because our military is evil then they will bring the war to us. If they do that then this country won't last too much longer without having to fear of frequent terrorist attacks.

[QUOTE="Jaybird36"]

Exactly. The military is not horrible like you think they are.

BiancaDK

Do you picture the military being some kind of massive machine that is fueled by the blood of small children and gains power through the deaths of others?

I'm sure you're just trolling but i happen to know alot of people in the military who would be sick to the stomach if they found out their actions led to the deaths of innocent people. Believe it or not they are very human.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="MrLions"]People die in war boo hoo deal with it. :| UnknownSniper65

You guys realize you're arguing with a person who is essentially only saying, "Nu uh, you're wrong!"

Chutebox

It's a good thing you don't run this country. We would be a third world country with the rest of them. Mystic-G

Heavily edited I'm sure.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]I hope you can see the different between intentional and accidental civilian deaths. BiancaDK

Even if it does show the US killing civilians it is not likely to show the intent. It all comes down to the intent, Was is a deliberate attack on civilians or was it an accident. From what i've read from your posts so far its almost as if you hope they did it intentionally.

mattisgod01

Why exactly do you think our military is evil?