Will President Obama be remembered in history as one of the greatest Presidents?

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#51 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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No. :lol:

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#52 FragStains
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[QUOTE="FragStains"]I think they like to be called Asians.BluRayHiDef

I used the term "Oriental" to distinguish from all Asians, which includes South East Asians.

So you only like the work ethic of certain Asians?
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#53 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I don't know what you are trying to say. If your parents were Americans then you too are American, but "American" isn't an ethnicity, it's a nationality. Mitt Romney is neither ethnically Mexican nor is he a Mexican national. -Sun_Tzu-

what would you call a black person who family has lived in spain since the Moorish invasion? would you call them a Spaniard or a Moor? would they be European or African?

He'd be both a spanish citizen and a moor.

so, to you no amount of time or heritage can ever change how you see people, its all based on skin color. i disagree.
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]I think they like to be called Asians.FragStains

I used the term "Oriental" to distinguish from all Asians, which includes South East Asians.

So you only like the work ethic of certain Asians?

Stop playing games.

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#55 FragStains
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[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

I used the term "Oriental" to distinguish from all Asians, which includes South East Asians.

BluRayHiDef

So you only like the work ethic of certain Asians?

Stop playing games.

I am just trying to find out why you think a female 'Oriental' would be a good President of the United States. As far as I can tell, you think a female 'Oriental' would be good because it is just not the norm. and because certain Asian cultures you respect and like their work ethic.
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]So you only like the work ethic of certain Asians?FragStains

Stop playing games.

I am just trying to find out why you think a female 'Oriental' would be a good President of the United States. As far as I can tell, you think a female 'Oriental' would be good because it is just not the norm. and because certain Asian cultures you respect and like their work ethic.

I think an Oriental president in general would be good because of the work-ethic of Orientals; they have the higest grades in the U.S. school system, as well as the highest IQs in the world. The female aspect is just a perk.

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#57 UnIimitedAccess
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No. [QUOTE="Fightingfan"]No, just the black president.MrPraline
Who bombed an African country.

They're not actually black in Libya.
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#58 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] what would you call a black person who family has lived in spain since the Moorish invasion? would you call them a Spaniard or a Moor? would they be European or African?surrealnumber5
He'd be both a spanish citizen and a moor.

so, to you no amount of time or heritage can ever change how you see people, its all based on skin color. i disagree.

:? All I'm saying is that nationality =/= ethnicity. Merely living in a country doesn't make you the predominant ethnicity of that country. None of Romney's family that lived in Mexico prior to returning to the United States were even Mexican citizens. They retained their American citizenship.
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#59 Mafiree
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It is very doubtful he will be considered great...... If SCOTUS declares a major portion of his health care legislation unconstitutional I think the harm will be irreparable, even if he gets a second term. I think his legacy will be a mediocre and divisive president, much like Bush.
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#60 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] He'd be both a spanish citizen and a moor.

so, to you no amount of time or heritage can ever change how you see people, its all based on skin color. i disagree.

:? All I'm saying is that nationality =/= ethnicity. Merely living in a country doesn't make you the predominant ethnicity of that country. None of Romney's family that lived in Mexico prior to returning to the United States were even Mexican citizens. They retained their American citizenship.

eth·nic·i·ty ? ?/???n?s?ti/ Show Spelled[eth-nis-i-tee] Show IPA noun, plural eth·nic·i·ties. 1. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association. 2. an ethnic group: Representatives of several ethnicities were present. this is the definition i use, so to me the black spanish person would be a Spaniard because of the heritage factor. but your use also fits this definition because you are judging based on skin tone and that is a physical trait, it is just not a metric i use.
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#61 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so, to you no amount of time or heritage can ever change how you see people, its all based on skin color. i disagree.

:? All I'm saying is that nationality =/= ethnicity. Merely living in a country doesn't make you the predominant ethnicity of that country. None of Romney's family that lived in Mexico prior to returning to the United States were even Mexican citizens. They retained their American citizenship.

eth·nic·i·ty ? ?/???n?s?ti/ Show Spelled[eth-nis-i-tee] Show IPA noun, plural eth·nic·i·ties. 1. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association. 2. an ethnic group: Representatives of several ethnicities were present. this is the definition i use, so to me the black spanish person would be a Spaniard because of the heritage factor. but your use also fits this definition because you are judging based on skin tone and that is a physical trait, it is just not a metric i use.

To repeat, merely existing in a certain country does not make you the predominant ethnicity of that country.
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#62 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] :? All I'm saying is that nationality =/= ethnicity. Merely living in a country doesn't make you the predominant ethnicity of that country. None of Romney's family that lived in Mexico prior to returning to the United States were even Mexican citizens. They retained their American citizenship.

eth·nic·i·ty ? ?/???n?s?ti/ Show Spelled[eth-nis-i-tee] Show IPA noun, plural eth·nic·i·ties. 1. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association. 2. an ethnic group: Representatives of several ethnicities were present. this is the definition i use, so to me the black spanish person would be a Spaniard because of the heritage factor. but your use also fits this definition because you are judging based on skin tone and that is a physical trait, it is just not a metric i use.

To repeat, merely existing in a certain country does not make you the predominant ethnicity of that country.

predominant ethnicity shows that you do believe that a country can have more than one ethnicity in it as you see it. being black does not keep a person from being a spaniard
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#63 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

I honestly want a female president. To be even more specific, I'd love for us to have a female Oriental president. That would be awesome.

BluRayHiDef

Seeing as you are basically asking for us to inquire further, please elaborate.

What is there for me to elabortate on? I was as clear as I could be in expressing what type of president I'd want in the future.

Do you want to have sexual fantasies about the president then?
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] :? All I'm saying is that nationality =/= ethnicity. Merely living in a country doesn't make you the predominant ethnicity of that country. None of Romney's family that lived in Mexico prior to returning to the United States were even Mexican citizens. They retained their American citizenship.

eth·nic·i·ty ? ?/???n?s?ti/ Show Spelled[eth-nis-i-tee] Show IPA noun, plural eth·nic·i·ties. 1. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association. 2. an ethnic group: Representatives of several ethnicities were present. this is the definition i use, so to me the black spanish person would be a Spaniard because of the heritage factor. but your use also fits this definition because you are judging based on skin tone and that is a physical trait, it is just not a metric i use.

To repeat, merely existing in a certain country does not make you the predominant ethnicity of that country.

You obviously haven't played chess with three Pashtu boys in Lahore.
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#65 kingkong0124
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LOLLLL

hell no.

he will be remembered as the first Black president and a president who's campaign slogan was "Change" but never got any real change done. Nothing more, nothing less.

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#66 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]eth·nic·i·ty ? ?/???n?s?ti/ Show Spelled[eth-nis-i-tee] Show IPA noun, plural eth·nic·i·ties. 1. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association. 2. an ethnic group: Representatives of several ethnicities were present. this is the definition i use, so to me the black spanish person would be a Spaniard because of the heritage factor. but your use also fits this definition because you are judging based on skin tone and that is a physical trait, it is just not a metric i use.

To repeat, merely existing in a certain country does not make you the predominant ethnicity of that country.

predominant ethnicity shows that you do believe that a country can have more than one ethnicity in it as you see it. being black does not keep a person from being a spaniard

Because spanish ethnicity is not a requirement for acquiring spanish citizenship
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yes

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#68 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] To repeat, merely existing in a certain country does not make you the predominant ethnicity of that country.

predominant ethnicity shows that you do believe that a country can have more than one ethnicity in it as you see it. being black does not keep a person from being a spaniard

Because spanish ethnicity is not a requirement for acquiring spanish citizenship

ethnicity has nothing to do with citizenship it has to do with whom those people associate with. i dont believe in associating based on race, i accept other people do, but i reject that ethnicity is to be synonymous with race.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] predominant ethnicity shows that you do believe that a country can have more than one ethnicity in it as you see it. being black does not keep a person from being a spaniard surrealnumber5
Because spanish ethnicity is not a requirement for acquiring spanish citizenship

ethnicity has nothing to do with citizenship it has to do with whom those people associate with. i dont believe in associating based on race, i accept other people do, but i reject that ethnicity is to be synonymous with race.

TBH I don't know what this post is suppose to be.

But based on what you said Romney still isn't Mexican because he doesn't associate himself with Mexicans.

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#70 dragonball3900
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Joke thread? He may not crack the top half.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Because spanish ethnicity is not a requirement for acquiring spanish citizenship-Sun_Tzu-

ethnicity has nothing to do with citizenship it has to do with whom those people associate with. i dont believe in associating based on race, i accept other people do, but i reject that ethnicity is to be synonymous with race.

TBH I don't know what this post is suppose to be.

But based on what you said Romney still isn't Mexican because he doesn't associate himself with Mexicans.

did his family? any way, the romeney thing was not to be taken seriously, but this idea that race=ethnicity i do want to address.
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#72 mikeyMKII
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He's definitely in the top 44.

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#73 fidosim
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Hopefully he'll play Hoover or Carter to the next FDR or Reagan.
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Hopefully he'll play Hoover or Carter to the next FDR or Reagan. fidosim
Or maybe he'll play Grover Cleveland to the next Grover Cleveland.
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#75 fidosim
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[QUOTE="fidosim"]Hopefully he'll play Hoover or Carter to the next FDR or Reagan. -Sun_Tzu-
Or maybe he'll play Grover Cleveland to the next Grover Cleveland.

But who's Benjamin Harrison?
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="fidosim"]Hopefully he'll play Hoover or Carter to the next FDR or Reagan. fidosim
Or maybe he'll play Grover Cleveland to the next Grover Cleveland.

But who's Benjamin Harrison?

Newt obviously. He's gonna win big at the convention just you wait.
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#77 Ka-Zo
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Probably not. The greatest black president? Most certainly.
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#78 fidosim
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Or maybe he'll play Grover Cleveland to the next Grover Cleveland.

But who's Benjamin Harrison?

Newt obviously. He's gonna win big at the convention just you wait.

lol fat chance.
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#80 coolbeans90
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If he's removed this November, he'll be remembered as inconsequential and neither great nor disastrous relative to other presidents. Otherwise, depends on what happens in his second term.

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#81 MathMattS
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Increasing our debt by a whopping 5 trillion dollars? I would certainly hope not.

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#82 jockie_chan
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Eh no. He won't be remembered.

He's just one of many presidents that makes promises that they do not deliver on.

He hasn't done much, but i don't believe presidents have as much control as people believe. Presidents are more figureheads than the person with the control of the country.

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I know that you are not obama TC.
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he will be one of the poorer presidents out there and will probably just be an anecdotal footnote as 1st black president.

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#85 ShadowMoses900
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No, IMO he isn't really that good of a president,he's just a repeat of Bush and Clinton. And the people who are running for office look pretty crappy too, so no I don't think we are going to have a good president any time soon.

But he will obviously be remembered as the first black president.

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#86 leviathan91
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Too early to tell.

Yes Obama has been criticized to the point where it may seem that he's an unpopular president but if you were to recall numerous presidents with such similar situations (i.e. Reagan and FDR) Obama could be remembered several years after his presidency (assuming he wins a second term) with such high regard, especially since he's the first black president.

Or he could be like Jimmy Carter or James Buchanan.

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No, IMO he isn't really that good of a president,he's just a repeat of Bush and Clinton. And the people who are running for office look pretty crappy too, so no I don't think we are going to have a good president any time soon.

But he will obviously be remembered as the first black president.

ShadowMoses900

Lets face it: Every president is a repeat with only minor differences. This is not to say that the presidents are just "clones" but rather just the American people expect so much but do not realize that Congress holds more power than they realize.

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Hard to tell since his first term isn't over and it remains to be seen whether or not he'll get a 2nd. It is possible, but I doubt it. Right now I'd put him somewhere in the middle, but really these arguments over presidents are usually nonsense anyway. How can anyone alive today truly evaluate a president from 125 years ago?

You'd have to have a very detailed understanding of what the times were like; also, often good things about a president will become over embelished and they will become almost a hero of folklore when in reality they had definite flaws. The opposite can also be true. Anyway, it might also come down to who you have in your top 10.

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#89 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No, IMO he isn't really that good of a president,he's just a repeat of Bush and Clinton. And the people who are running for office look pretty crappy too, so no I don't think we are going to have a good president any time soon.

But he will obviously be remembered as the first black president.

leviathan91

Lets face it: Every president is a repeat with only minor differences. This is not to say that the presidents are just "clones" but rather just the American people expect so much but do not realize that Congress holds more power than they realize.

True, I sometimes think the President has very little power actually and can only suggest or "mildly influence" those who do have power like Congress. It's funny because people eat this crap up about this bill or that bill and vote in the president thinking he can actually do it, but they don't realise Congress are the ones who actually have to PASS it before it even goes into affect.

It doesn't matter who becomes president if you don't change the Congress, it's just going to be the same thing as last time (like you said)

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I know at the moment FDR and Lincoln are considered the best but do you think President Obama will make the top 10?Obama-
Can I please have your autograph? :)
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#91 Sedin44
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No, just the black president.Fightingfan
Yep. It got to the point where we needed one. Like how companies through a black or asian kid the marketing campaigns for good measurement. If it wasnt for being politically correct we all know it would attractive white kids. You ever notice its always just one black or asian and a group of whites, never the opposite ratio.
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oh damn president obama has a gamespot account. yeah you will be remembered you were the first black president enough said
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#93 DeathnoteSz
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]So you only like the work ethic of certain Asians?FragStains

Stop playing games.

I am just trying to find out why you think a female 'Oriental' would be a good President of the United States. As far as I can tell, you think a female 'Oriental' would be good because it is just not the norm. and because certain Asian cultures you respect and like their work ethic.

FACEPALM TO THE MAX/ DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATIONALITY AND ETHNICITY??? WTF
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#94 katana_duo
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Can't think of one gaddamned decent thing he's done for the country so far...so no.
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#95 scoots9
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I sure hope not, but considering how fondly people think of FDR (imo one of the worst) you never know.

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calvin coolidge level at best.
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#97 RandomWinner
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I think his election will be remembered as significant. We won't really know until a year or two after his second term (I don't consider it a spoiler, its like, everyone knows the ending to the sixth sense, and everyone knows how the election is going to end). By this time in Bush's presidency people still liked the guy. I think if the economy improves and he passes some progressive policies he'll be held in high regard down the line. Greatest is very unlikely though. I don't think he will be disdained either though. He'll sit around average.

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#98 Obama-
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oh damn president obama has a gamespot account. yeah you will be remembered you were the first black president enough saidplaymynutz
I am not President Obama >_> do you really think he has time for this?
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#99 DevilMightCry
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Obama is better than Jesus. You can't top that now, can you?
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Probably not. Neither one of the greatest nor one of the worst.