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#101 Maniacc1
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If some rinky dink website can leak documents, chances are they weren't kept too "safe" to begin with.
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#102 LJS9502_basic  Online
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If some rinky dink website can leak documents, chances are they weren't kept too "safe" to begin with. Maniacc1
Actually it just takes someone with access getting the info and handing it over......the site didn't stumble onto the info.
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#103 Maniacc1
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]If some rinky dink website can leak documents, chances are they weren't kept too "safe" to begin with. LJS9502_basic
Actually it just takes someone with access getting the info and handing it over......the site didn't stumble onto the info.

Still, the fact that people within the military are looking to.... expose the military says a lot about the lack of transparency.
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#104 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]If some rinky dink website can leak documents, chances are they weren't kept too "safe" to begin with. Maniacc1
Actually it just takes someone with access getting the info and handing it over......the site didn't stumble onto the info.

Still, the fact that people within the military are looking to.... expose the military says a lot about the lack of transparency.

People? It's only one undoubtedly and that doesn't mean the person was within the military either.
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#105 Maniacc1
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Actually it just takes someone with access getting the info and handing it over......the site didn't stumble onto the info.

Still, the fact that people within the military are looking to.... expose the military says a lot about the lack of transparency.

People? It's only one undoubtedly and that doesn't mean the person was within the military either.

Hmm I suppose you're right. I wasn't going to say it was popular opinion within the military anyway, considering that's out of the question. :P I dunno about this whole issue. The person who leaked can definitely be charged. But shutting the website down seems like restriction of free speech to me.
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#106 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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One interesting thing is that both republicans and democrats are in agreement on this issue!

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#107 bachilders
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Maybe the CIA will be so ashamed they will disband :D I've about had it with the pointless wars and terrorism their meddling causes

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#108 testfactor888
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People? It's only one undoubtedly and that doesn't mean the person was within the military either. LJS9502_basic

There is a chance that I am reading your posts wrong. Regardless the guy who gave Wikileaks the information is from the military.

Bradley Manning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

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#109 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]People? It's only one undoubtedly and that doesn't mean the person was within the military either. testfactor888

There is a chance that I am reading your posts wrong. Regardless the guy who gave Wikileaks the information is from the military.

Bradley Manning

Okay...that would be one person then. Anyway my statement was more general. Leaks are generally one person and that doesn't mean they are military....they may/may not be. In this case he apparently was.

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#110 Maniacc1
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]People? It's only one undoubtedly and that doesn't mean the person was within the military either. testfactor888

There is a chance that I am reading your posts wrong. Regardless the guy who gave Wikileaks the information is from the military.

Bradley Manning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

Hmmm looks like he was gay Possibly taking it out on the military and their recent efforts to stop the repeal process of DADT?

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#111 chandlerr_360
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After readling all of the leaks that have been leaked so far (most of which are about Iran unsurprisingly), the already obvious has become even more obvious. The Governments of the world are at political war with large private corporations which seek profit above all else. It seems increasingly clear that free market capitalism and globalization of all industries (including under the radar arms trading and defense technology sales) is leading fiercely independent and narrow minded nations and groups of people into possibilities of halting their own domination by foreign investors and firms. Iran and North Korea are obviously at the forefront of these states, however Yemen, Omen, Nigeria, Somalia, and it seems China are fiercely scared of being controlled by Western market influence. These leaks seem to reveal that China is more detached than what people seem to believe, and possibly that the capitalist push of China during the 21st century is simply a "if you cant beat them join them" move to secure their own national security, not so much a move to compete at a global level. These leaks also basically confirm (although not explicitly) that Israel does indeed have control of offensive nuclear technology, and also confirms that indeed Israel was responsible for the destruction of Iraq's nuclear reactor in the 80's. Very interesting stuff, quite the complicated world we live in. Unfortunately it is a rather dangerous one as well. As far as informants go, there is no doubt multiple informants that have leaked this information to the WikiLeaks organization, most of which must have been from within the U.S. government. And the TC's ignorance in his original post really amazes me....you think these leaks are going to destabilize the Middle East? Dude, the Middle East has been "destabilized" for a long time my friend. This transparency that WikiLeaks is providing is great, if not necessary.
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#112 Pixel-Pirate
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So I've now heard through the grape vine that wikileaks plans to release info regarding to scandals with bank executives.

Would the "ZOMG WIKILEAKS IS TEH DEBUL" people be okay with this? Banks arn't government agencies and leaking things from them is not a national security issue. Or should their corruption be protected?

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#114 Ingenemployee
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So I've now heard through the grape vine that wikileaks plans to release info regarding to scandals with bank executives.

Would the "ZOMG WIKILEAKS IS TEH DEBUL" people be okay with this? Banks arn't government agencies and leaking things from them is not a national security issue. Or should their corruption be protected?

Pixel-Pirate

I cant wait to see that, hopefully the government wont do anything to hinder wikileaks anytime soon.

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#115 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

the "ZOMG WIKILEAKS IS TEH DEBUL" people

thegerg

To whom are you referring? No one has posted anything along those lines.

The people voting on places like fox and MSNBC that wikileaks are terrorists.

In other news, I heard the recent leak has basically confirmed that China is NOT on NK's side and is encouraging the US to lay a smack down on Chinas "bestest friend".

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#116 chrisrooR
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Major Kudos to wikileaks. I completely support freedom of speech.
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#117 chrisrooR
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[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]After readling all of the leaks that have been leaked so far (most of which are about Iran unsurprisingly), the already obvious has become even more obvious. The Governments of the world are at political war with large private corporations which seek profit above all else. It seems increasingly clear that free market capitalism and globalization of all industries (including under the radar arms trading and defense technology sales) is leading fiercely independent and narrow minded nations and groups of people into possibilities of halting their own domination by foreign investors and firms. Iran and North Korea are obviously at the forefront of these states, however Yemen, Omen, Nigeria, Somalia, and it seems China are fiercely scared of being controlled by Western market influence. These leaks seem to reveal that China is more detached than what people seem to believe, and possibly that the capitalist push of China during the 21st century is simply a "if you cant beat them join them" move to secure their own national security, not so much a move to compete at a global level. These leaks also basically confirm (although not explicitly) that Israel does indeed have control of offensive nuclear technology, and also confirms that indeed Israel was responsible for the destruction of Iraq's nuclear reactor in the 80's. Very interesting stuff, quite the complicated world we live in. Unfortunately it is a rather dangerous one as well. As far as informants go, there is no doubt multiple informants that have leaked this information to the WikiLeaks organization, most of which must have been from within the U.S. government. And the TC's ignorance in his original post really amazes me....you think these leaks are going to destabilize the Middle East? Dude, the Middle East has been "destabilized" for a long time my friend. This transparency that WikiLeaks is providing is great, if not necessary.

Very informative post, thanks.
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#119 m25105
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] Small group? Wishful thinking on your part....p2250

AQ is a small group, when you go to war you go against a actual nation.. The Iraq Army dwarfed anything close to what AQ has.. Furthermore our invasions along with the staggering collateral damage is increasing the terrorist group's recruitment rate..

Saddam Hussein was one of the biggest terrorists in the middle east. You seem real opposed to the fact that he no longer lives and is killing people, why?

Saddam Hussein was not a terrorist, where did you ever get that idea that he was?
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#120 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The people voting on places like fox and MSNBC that wikileaks are terrorists.

thegerg

Haha. Why, then, are you asking us?

Because atleast a few people in this thread have called wikileaks terrorists.

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#121 leviathan91
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I don't know what the fuss is.

Most of the information shown here is common knowledge to most people who read and watch the news: Yes, Afghanistan is corrupt, yes, pakistan is probably building nuclear weapons, and yes, of course Saudi Arabia is worried about Iran. All Wikileaks is doing is confirming all the information that most people should know about already.

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#123 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Because atleast a few people in this thread have called wikileaks terrorists.

thegerg

Like who? I just searched through this entire thread and no one has called them terrorists.

My apologies, I confused this thread with the other wikileaks thread from yesterday (You can find it a few pages back). Though the person who equated what wikileaks does to terrorism has posted here as well.

I'm still unsure why we are arguing semantics that have basically nothing to do with anything and not answering my valid question. Is it okay when Wikileaks leaks private-sector info?

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Because atleast a few people in this thread have called wikileaks terrorists.

thegerg

Like who? I just searched through this entire thread and no one has called them terrorists.

Fox news called him a terrorist.
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#128 lordreaven
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[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

AQ is a small group, when you go to war you go against a actual nation.. The Iraq Army dwarfed anything close to what AQ has.. Furthermore our invasions along with the staggering collateral damage is increasing the terrorist group's recruitment rate..

m25105

Saddam Hussein was one of the biggest terrorists in the middle east. You seem real opposed to the fact that he no longer lives and is killing people, why?

Saddam Hussein was not a terrorist, where did you ever get that idea that he was?

I read something funny about Saddam. Apperantly he was obsessed with ancient Babylon actually, and saw Iraq as a "continuation" of it. If so, that would actually make him hated more by the taliban, becasue he is endorsing a non muslim culture. So in reality Saddamn was actaually more stable than Irans presedent (i forgot how to spell his name lol).

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#130 Elraptor
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so this is what irani president had to say about the leaks:

"We don't think this information was leaked," he said. "We think it was organised to be released on a regular basis and they are pursuing political goals."

this is pretty much what i said yesterday lol

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In a political thriller, maybe.
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#131 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

My apologies, I confused this thread with the other wikileaks thread from yesterday (You can find it a few pages back). Though the person who equated what wikileaks does to terrorism has posted here as well.

I'm still unsure why we are arguing semantics that have basically nothing to do with anything and not answering my valid question. Is it okay when Wikileaks leaks private-sector info?

thegerg

I wasn't asking that question in an effort to argue semantics. It's just that you were making accusations without really supporting them.

As far as that question goes: It depends.

And then I supported it by pointing you in the direction.

Now we can focus on things that matter as oppossed to "who said wiki-leaks was bad?!"

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#134 grounderman
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people need to stop criticising wikileaks for putting people in danger, especially when the pentagon has admitted there is 'no threat' from any of the documents released.

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#135 p2250
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Wikileaks is no doubt pro-war, that was the whole point in releasing the information.

Looks good on those that support them, because all along they probably thought they were smart for supporting Wikileaks.

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#136 Harisemo
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funny how US is concerned about the safety of Pakistans nuclear material, do they even know where its kept? well if they did they would have already destroyed the storage facility :lol: seems to me US islooking forexcuses to somehow find the location of Pakistans nukes

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#137 Harisemo
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

so this is what irani president had to say about the leaks:

"We don't think this information was leaked," he said. "We think it was organised to be released on a regular basis and they are pursuing political goals."

this is pretty much what i said yesterday lol

Elraptor

In a political thriller, maybe.

and in reality

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#138 grounderman
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Wikileaks is no doubt pro-war, that was the whole point in releasing the information.

Looks good on those that support them, because all along they probably thought they were smart for supporting Wikileaks.

p2250

oh looky. its the 'EU is going to invade america with al-qaida' guy. are the communists still living under your floorboards, or?