Woman drives wrong way, kills 8 had high levels of MARIJUANA

So it turns out that the incident that occurred last week where a woman drove the wrong way of the road going at high speeds was not only drunk but had high levels of marijuana in her system. But this leads me to this question. Do weed supports still agree to make weed legal for all to consume? Well of course, the aclohol also had something to do with it, but in every thread debating marijuana, the defence was that it does not alter the mind in anyway and is infact harmful. After hearing this news that a woman was driving the wrong way with high levels of weed in her system, do you still support legalizing marijuana?

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/new_york_state/090804_Report_Taconic_Crash_Driver_Drunk

Any supporter of decriminilization or legalization aren't going to ignore the alcohol.

no never did.

What was her BAC?

EDIT: Terrible argument btw.

Using this scenario as evidence to thwart legalization is akin to using a drunk driving incident as evidence to illegalize alcohol.

Female drivers!!!! :P

Not in the past

Not in the present

Not in the future

She should go to jail for life. SAGE_OF_FIRE

did she not die too? :shock:

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]She should go to jail for life. Unknown_Hero3

did she not die too? :shock:

Female drivers!!!! :P

sonicare

LOL. If marijuana is legalized, there will surely be a way for law enforcement to test and see if you are under the influence. Driving when high will be like driving while drunk, with equal if not greater penalties.

nope, studies have shown that when you remove the alcohol from the scenario then no more wrecks occur than normal. in other words, its been statistically shown that marijuana has a negligible affect on your driving ability. i don't support getting blasted and driving, just like i don't support getting drunk and driving. i advocate legalization and responsible use. if someone gets pulled over and they're obviously high and can't walk a line, follow a flashlight or balance on one foot, off to jail with them just like a drunk driver.

i'll see if i can link this when i get home, im at work and im not sure if they'd be real keen on my searching and linking pages about illegal drug use.

Marijuana should still be legalized. :| Just because someone drives a car while intoxicated doesn't mean we should ban alcohol does it? God I swear you anit-pot people act like if it gets legalized everyone will be high 24/7 and drive while under the influence and do other reckless things. :|

Who in the world said Marijuana doesn't alter your state of mind? Also, the alcohol contributing pretty much destroys any grounds to use this as a means to justify weed being illegal. theharlemshake

i thought that was kinda the point of it right?

anyways, after reading about her BAC being twice the legal limit i'd imagine a somewhat exaggerated equivalent would be like

"cops found out she had taken an excessive dose of heroin and a benadryl"

".... must've been the benadryl"

What was her BAC?

EDIT: Terrible argument btw.

Locke562

Any supporter of decriminilization or legalization aren't going to ignore the alcohol.

vidplayer8

Yeah...her BAC wasTWICE the legal limit. If it was Marijuana alone, than it would be drasticallydifferent, and I guarantee that noone would have lost their lives that night. But no, she was completely wasted on Alcohol. This doesnt change a thing.

[QUOTE="Locke562"]

What was her BAC?

EDIT: Terrible argument btw.

Tjeremiah1988

Any supporter of decriminilization or legalization aren't going to ignore the alcohol.

vidplayer8

Who would say weed doesn't alter the mind?:|LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Who would say weed doesn't alter the mind?:|Tjeremiah1988

[QUOTE="Locke562"]

What was her BAC?

EDIT: Terrible argument btw.

Tjeremiah1988

Any supporter of decriminilization or legalization aren't going to ignore the alcohol.

vidplayer8

generally a person who defends legalization has done or currently uses marijuana. i've never met a smoker that says it doesn't do anything to your mind, thats the whole point behind using it recreationally. how the marijuana affected her train of thought is negligible because we don't know alot of facts. things like "was she a regular smoker" if she was a regular smoker its pretty safe to say it wasn't the pot. daily users become accustomed to it and build a tolerance. i smoke daily and still take care of my "chores" like working, paying bills, going to the grocery store, cleaning house etc etc etc. but again, news publications can slant stories to appear any way they want them to.

As long as you don't burn and drive it's fine to use. From the article I'm pretty sure she was so drunk that the weed had little affect on her driving. I've driven with people who were high and it seemed fine but I won't drive with drunk people.

[QUOTE="Locke562"]

What was her BAC?

EDIT: Terrible argument btw.

Tjeremiah1988

Any supporter of decriminilization or legalization aren't going to ignore the alcohol.

vidplayer8

generally a person who defends legalization has done or currently uses marijuana. i've never met a smoker that says it doesn't do anything to your mind, thats the whole point behind using it recreationally. how the marijuana affected her train of thought is negligible because we don't know alot of facts. things like "was she a regular smoker" if she was a regular smoker its pretty safe to say it wasn't the pot. daily users become accustomed to it and build a tolerance. i smoke daily and still take care of my "chores" like working, paying bills, going to the grocery store, cleaning house etc etc etc. but again, news publications can slant stories to appear any way they want them to.

z4twenny

Marijuana has serious harmful effects on the skills required to drive safely: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and the ability to react quickly. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.

Marijuana may play a role in car accidents. In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine.

Data have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink.

It is illegal to drink and drive, so what exactly is your point?theharlemshake

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Who would say weed doesn't alter the mind?:|LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

generally a person who defends legalization has done or currently uses marijuana. i've never met a smoker that says it doesn't do anything to your mind, thats the whole point behind using it recreationally. how the marijuana affected her train of thought is negligible because we don't know alot of facts. things like "was she a regular smoker" if she was a regular smoker its pretty safe to say it wasn't the pot. daily users become accustomed to it and build a tolerance. i smoke daily and still take care of my "chores" like working, paying bills, going to the grocery store, cleaning house etc etc etc. but again, news publications can slant stories to appear any way they want them to.

LJS9502_basic

Marijuana has serious harmful effects on the skills required to drive safely: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and the ability to react quickly. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.

Marijuana may play a role in car accidents. In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine.

Data have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink.

please don't. you're trying to start an argument and get me banned. i know what you're doing, please stop.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"] from what I seen from past arguments here in OT, many here say that.mr__gameboy

[QUOTE="mr__gameboy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Then they clearly haven't studies marijuana affects....

LJS9502_basic

1) She was drunk.
2) There is no way to test for marijuana blood levels.
3) She was drunk.
4) She was drunk.
5) She was drunk.

Marijuana doesn't inhibit reaction time and coordination. All it does it alter perception and increase focus. Anyone who smokes weed and drives drives well under the speed limit and extra carefully. People who drive drunk, drive way over the speed limit and can't see where they are going.

please don't. you're trying to start an argument and get me banned. i know what you're doing, please stop.

z4twenny

Oh...and the only person that can get you banned is yourself.....no one else.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"] from what I seen from past arguments here in OT, many here say that.mr__gameboy

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="mr__gameboy"] if it didnt alter the mind, what would be the point. the drug does change your train of thought, but it doesnt make it dangerous to do things. maybe a few cant handle it, but the majority of users can handle themselves imo.z4twenny

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

please don't. you're trying to start an argument and get me banned. i know what you're doing, please stop.

LJS9502_basic

Oh...and the only person that can get you banned is yourself.....no one else.

thats not true, we both know you've had me reported and suspended in the past, basically because i was being rational. from here on out please do not address me either directly or indirectly.

1) She was drunk.
2) There is no way to test for marijuana blood levels.
3) She was drunk.
4) She was drunk.
5) She was drunk.

Marijuana doesn't inhibit reaction time and coordination. All it does it alter perception and increase focus. Anyone who smokes weed and drives drives well under the speed limit and extra carefully. People who drive drunk, drive way over the speed limit and can't see where they are going.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

please don't. you're trying to start an argument and get me banned. i know what you're doing, please stop.

z4twenny

Oh...and the only person that can get you banned is yourself.....no one else.

thats not true, we both know you've had me reported and suspended in the past, basically because i was being rational. from here on out please do not address me either directly or indirectly.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

please don't. you're trying to start an argument and get me banned. i know what you're doing, please stop.

z4twenny

Oh...and the only person that can get you banned is yourself.....no one else.

thats not true, we both know you've had me reported and suspended in the past, basically because i was being rational. from here on out please do not address me either directly or indirectly.

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm posting some info I found. I'd hope you wouldn't think it's okay to smoke weed and then drive a car.:|

Oh...and the only person that can get you banned is yourself.....no one else.

LJS9502_basic

thats not true, we both know you've had me reported and suspended in the past, basically because i was being rational. from here on out please do not address me either directly or indirectly.

of course, you're right, i'm wrong. have a good evening :roll:

You don't think perception is necessary to drive?:|

LJS9502_basic