Women Marines?

What are your opinions on women serving in the US marines? In combat?

If you support or don't support, why?

I don't know...I am honestly shocked to hear these replies though. I support women marines 100 percent, after all, I want to be a marine but outside of of here I've gotten nothing but criticism on this topic. :?

Glad to see the support though

I don't know...I am honestly shocked to hear these replies though. I support women marines 100 percent, after all, I want to be a marine but outside of of here I've gotten nothing but criticism on this topic. :?

Glad to see the support though

Falling_Behind

I don't know what intellectually challenged individuals you're making conversation with... but I advise you to stop.

Sorry to offend if this is your family or whatever, but seriously, there's no VALID argument against a woman serving in the marines; only mindless bigorty.

[QUOTE="Falling_Behind"]

I don't know...I am honestly shocked to hear these replies though. I support women marines 100 percent, after all, I want to be a marine but outside of of here I've gotten nothing but criticism on this topic. :?

Glad to see the support though

dhyce

I don't know what intellectually challenged individuals you're making conversation with... but I advise you to stop.

Sorry to offend if this is your family or whatever, but seriously, there's no VALID argument against a woman serving in the marines; only mindless bigorty.

Or empirical proof that they are oftentimes detrimental to the cohesion and efficacy of a small infantry unit..................

They are more of a man then I will ever be.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]They are more of a man then I will ever be.Neon-Tiger

Sure, why not? I mean, somebody's gotta cook for the rest of the barracks, right?

(insert obligatory joke disclaimer)

Or empirical proof that they are oftentimes detrimental to the cohesion and efficacy of a small infantry unit..................

xXBuffJeffXx

Might be women simply not right for the job, taking on more responsibility than they can handle.

I fail to see how being born with a certain set of genitals can make somebody inherently worse at a task.

The right people, with the right training and motivation should always do fine.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

Or empirical proof that they are oftentimes detrimental to the cohesion and efficacy of a small infantry unit..................

dhyce

Might be women simply not right for the job, taking on more responsibility than they can handle.

I fail to see how being born with a certain set of genitals can make somebody inherently worse at a task.

The right people, with the right training and motivation should always do fine.

Women are weaker than men.JabbaDaHutt30

Thank you for that nugget of wisdom.

Actually, women can exercise and become just as strong as anyone else. Perhaps, they are at a slight inherent disadvantage, but it's easily overcome.

That wasn't even a remotely valid point.

[QUOTE="dhyce"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

Or empirical proof that they are oftentimes detrimental to the cohesion and efficacy of a small infantry unit..................

JabbaDaHutt30

Might be women simply not right for the job, taking on more responsibility than they can handle.

I fail to see how being born with a certain set of genitals can make somebody inherently worse at a task.

The right people, with the right training and motivation should always do fine.

Yet they can wield guns just as well. amazing. This may shock you, but thankfully we've moved past the age of battleaxes and broadswords.Paladin_King

Yeah, that too.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]Women are weaker than men.dhyce

Thank you for that nugget of wisdom.

Actually, women can exercise and become just as strong as anyone else. Perhaps, they are at a slight inherent disadvantage, but it's easily overcome.

That wasn't even a remotely valid point.

I'm all for women in the military, but his point has some validity. If a women needs to carry a wounded 220 pound man out of the line of fire or across a great distance she may not be able too (or may not be able to do it quickly enough.) Granted the situation where she is the only one left to carry a wounded man is pretty unlikely.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]Women are weaker than men.dhyce

Thank you for that nugget of wisdom.

Actually, women can exercise and become just as strong as anyone else. Perhaps, they are at a slight inherent disadvantage, but it's easily overcome.

That wasn't even a remotely valid point.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="dhyce"]

Might be women simply not right for the job, taking on more responsibility than they can handle.

I fail to see how being born with a certain set of genitals can make somebody inherently worse at a task.

The right people, with the right training and motivation should always do fine.

Paladin_King

Think about it. If women, on average, can make for good soldiers just like men - why were they so disconsidered throughout history for warfare? Not everyone had to "stay at home and take care of the children."

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"] Women are weaker than men.JabbaDaHutt30

ok your going about htis all wrong I mean I believe women should not be combat as well but I wouldn't say it's because they are weak and lak mental endurance.

first of all women are proven to be more emotional than men and ina combat situation that is unneeded distraction. second women have the abilit to physically be as strong as men but they aren't goign to be that way even in the marines I have met plenty of marine women and none of whom feel that building themselves into a male body type is just silly. Alot of women even if they are in the marines still would like to keep their femenine apperance but have some muscle where they need it.

Women shouldn't be allowed in combat my spanish teacher put it this way "women are not allowed in combat because seeing dead pregnant women is still not seen as ok" I mean she has a point I don't see the military wanting to keep a women on payed leave for being pregnant for 9 months reality it would be expensive and yes they would hae to keep them out of combat because of the entire pregnancy situation. Also No you can not make a female take birth control just to keep themin combat I mean that's just wrong and even the military can't make you.

What are your opinions on women serving in the US marines? In combat?

If you support or don't support, why?

JabbaDaHutt30, wow, must be awesome living in the land of make-believe. I hear the weather is lovely this time of year.dhyce

What are your opinions on women serving in the US marines? In combat?

If you support or don't support, why?

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="Paladin_King"] Yet they can wield guns just as well. amazing. This may shock you, but thankfully we've moved past the age of battleaxes and broadswords.observer77

ok your going about htis all wrong I mean I believe women should not be combat as well but I wouldn't say it's because they are weak and lak mental endurance.

first of all women are proven to be more emotional than men and ina combat situation that is unneeded distraction. second women have the abilit to physically be as strong as men but they aren't goign to be that way even in the marines I have met plenty of marine women and none of whom feel that building themselves into a male body type is just silly. Alot of women even if they are in the marines still would like to keep their femenine apperance but have some muscle where they need it.

Women shouldn't be allowed in combat my spanish teacher put it this way "women are not allowed in combat because seeing dead pregnant women is still not seen as ok" I mean she has a point I don't see the military wanting to keep a women on payed leave for being pregnant for 9 months reality it would be expensive and yes they would hae to keep them out of combat because of the entire pregnancy situation. Also No you can not make a female take birth control just to keep themin combat I mean that's just wrong and even the military can't make you.

Women shouldn't be allowed in combat my spanish teacher put it this way "women are not allowed in combat because seeing dead pregnant women is still not seen as ok" I mean she has a point I don't see the military wanting to keep a women on payed leave for being pregnant for 9 months reality it would be expensive and yes they would hae to keep them out of combat because of the entire pregnancy situation. Also No you can not make a female take birth control just to keep themin combat I mean that's just wrong and even the military can't make you.

observer77

Wait, why are women suddenly getting pregnant left and right? It would be irresponsible behavior, in my opinion, for a female marine to get pregnant especially when there is (apparently) a combat situation likely. Any woman who takes their job seriously as a marine would in all likelyhood know better.

[QUOTE="observer77"]

Women shouldn't be allowed in combat my spanish teacher put it this way "women are not allowed in combat because seeing dead pregnant women is still not seen as ok" I mean she has a point I don't see the military wanting to keep a women on payed leave for being pregnant for 9 months reality it would be expensive and yes they would hae to keep them out of combat because of the entire pregnancy situation. Also No you can not make a female take birth control just to keep themin combat I mean that's just wrong and even the military can't make you.

dhyce

Wait, why are women suddenly getting pregnant left and right? It would be irresponsible behavior, in my opinion, for a female marine to get pregnant especially when there is (apparently) a combat situation likely. Any woman who takes their job seriously as a marine would in all likelyhood know better.

And what if it happens? JabbaDaHutt30

Dependant upon her value to the force, maternity leave or discharge. The case would have to be reviewed, but irresponsible behavior like that is certainly not acceptable.

[QUOTE="observer77"]

Women shouldn't be allowed in combat my spanish teacher put it this way "women are not allowed in combat because seeing dead pregnant women is still not seen as ok" I mean she has a point I don't see the military wanting to keep a women on payed leave for being pregnant for 9 months reality it would be expensive and yes they would hae to keep them out of combat because of the entire pregnancy situation. Also No you can not make a female take birth control just to keep themin combat I mean that's just wrong and even the military can't make you.

dhyce

Wait, why are women suddenly getting pregnant left and right? It would be irresponsible behavior, in my opinion, for a female marine to get pregnant especially when there is (apparently) a combat situation likely. Any woman who takes their job seriously as a marine would in all likelyhood know better.

ok first of all I am hearing/ reading that it is not ok for a female marine women to get pregnant... So just because they are in the marines they are not allowed to have children, so if a female marine wanted to have children it would be irresponsible.

Also you act like life wont go on, sex is another thing that still happens between soilders (yes it does) Also if any women takes her job seriously really hmmm so if I took my job seriously I should not have children because that would be irresponsible. reality is your arguemnet is that women should not be allowed to have children or sex in the marines or that they are not going to which is unrealistic. soilders having sex with each other yeah because that is just so strange.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]And what if it happens? dhyce

Dependant upon her value to the force, maternity leave or discharge. The case would have to be reviewed, but irresponsible behavior like that is certainly not acceptable.

You do know that no form of birth control works 100% of the time, right? Pregnancy still has a rare chance of occurence even if the female is responsible.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]Women are weaker than men.dhyce

Thank you for that nugget of wisdom.

Actually, women can exercise and become just as strong as anyone else. Perhaps, they are at a slight inherent disadvantage, but it's easily overcome.

That wasn't even a remotely valid point.

Wait, you're actually arguing that women, on the whole, are just as strong as men? Political correctness is great and all, but that is absurd. Everybody knows that women are physically, inherently weaker. There are certainly some anomalies, but there is a pretty lucid trend here. There is a reason that there are different physical fitness scales for men and women in each of the services and, even though they are body weight exercises, almost categorically women cannot compare to men in physical fitness. This isn't even referring to load bearing exercises.

they can fight just as effectively as men.shoeman12

ok first of all I am hearing/ reading that it is not ok for a female marine women to get pregnant... So just because they are in the marines they are not allowed to have children, so if a female marine wanted to have children it would be irresponsible.

Also you act like life wont go on, sex is another thing that still happens between soilders (yes it does) Also if any women takes her job seriously really hmmm so if I took my job seriously I should not have children because that would be irresponsible. reality is your arguemnet is that women should not be allowed to have children or sex in the marines or that they are not going to which is unrealistic. soilders having sex with each other yeah because that is just so strange.

observer77

I'm sorry, not quite what I mean. I was under the impression that this was a discussion about female marines getting pregnant as there is a combat situation going on. I'm sorry if I didn't quite say what I wanted to as clearly as possible, I'm a little groggy.

Naturally, a female marine is allowed to have children, it would simply be ideal to not plan to start a family in the midst of combat. (Again, that's the impression I got from your previous post.)

Obviously having children isn't a sign of one not taking their job seriously. Yikes.

However, if pregnancy deliberately occurs at an inappropriate time for your job, then your professionalism can probably be taken into account.

Also, I'm not naive, I know soldiers have sex. I'm just not going to call it a good idea most of the time.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]they can fight just as effectively as men.JabbaDaHutt30

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]And what if it happens? dhyce

Dependant upon her value to the force, maternity leave or discharge. The case would have to be reviewed, but irresponsible behavior like that is certainly not acceptable.

wow so thi s"value to the fore" does this go in terms of high ranking female marines can have babies but anyone else is just NO. first of all that's not allowed I mean your pregnant so good bye. just because they are the marines doesn't mean that they are allowed to control someones reproductive rights in any manner. I mean some office secretary gets fired for getting pregnant and that would be just the same as this that's just silly thinking.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]they can fight just as effectively as men.shoeman12

he is telling the truth I was on my high school rifle team and a female and our team aptain was always the best shooter and our captain was female for like 3- 4 years in a row because according to statistics shooting is a womens thing we are just better at it we also went to the olympic training center in colorado springs where I might add we met the best olympic rifle shooter and yes she was a women...but I still don't think they should be allowed in combat I mean maybe I could go with sniper training and participation along with these lines but not in the mud.

I guess I'm just relieved to know that it's "dependant upon her value to the force" then.

You do know that no form of birth control works 100% of the time, right? Pregnancy still has a rare chance of occurence even if the female is responsible.

JabbaDaHutt30

Precisely, often times when a soldiers case is reviewed the result depends heavily upon how well they do their job, as it should be.

Of course I know there is no 100% full proof method of birth control. But you know what also works? Not having sex. Again, so I do not repeat a landslide of illogic against what I'm saying, I'm not suggesting a female soldier at any point in her life having a chiold is irresponsible; I'm saying it is when it will knowingly compromise her ability to perform her job. I know, accidents happen, but that doesn't mean responsible action cannot be planned and discussed as soon as you know of the pregnancy.