World War One so Underated

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Being Canadian I have a great deal of knowladge of both World Wars. I find it very irritating how ignorant Americans can be twords these subjects. I just can't understand how some feel that they are the only ones that have ever fought for freedom and won. It just dosen't make any sense to me.

Mikey132

yep, unfortantly, american is a nation of ignorence and apathy. doesn't look like that will likly change either. you should see teh crap they do for the Pacific war, you would think we were the only ones to fight there and did all the work. when it is really the opposite.

I was just thinking about that while I was outside having a smoke. They are call "World Wars" for a reason, Not "America's Wars"

Frankly I'm glad that the rest of us fought the Germans and didn't join them. There would be no U.S.A if that happened. :)

IDK, did they eve nplan on attacking the US if tehy won in Europe? thining of their not being a US, going back to teh American Revolution, its kind of teh opposite. with out the germans and the french the British would have beat us and there woulndt have been a US

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

yep, unfortantly, american is a nation of ignorence and apathy. doesn't look like that will likly change either. you should see teh crap they do for the Pacific war, you would think we were the only ones to fight there and did all the work. when it is really the opposite.

SamusFreak

I was just thinking about that while I was outside having a smoke. They are call "World Wars" for a reason, Not "America's Wars"

Frankly I'm glad that the rest of us fought the Germans and didn't join them. There would be no U.S.A if that happened. :)

IDK, did they eve nplan on attacking the US if tehy won in Europe? thining of their not being a US, going back to teh American Revolution, its kind of teh opposite. with out the germans and the french the British would have beat us and there woulndt have been a US

That's a great point. The suggestions we both just gave almost prove that the Americans have the rest of the world to thank for them becoming so strong and not themselves. I've never thought of it that way.

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

I was just thinking about that while I was outside having a smoke. They are call "World Wars" for a reason, Not "America's Wars"

Frankly I'm glad that the rest of us fought the Germans and didn't join them. There would be no U.S.A if that happened. :)

IDK, did they eve nplan on attacking the US if tehy won in Europe? thining of their not being a US, going back to teh American Revolution, its kind of teh opposite. with out the germans and the french the British would have beat us and there woulndt have been a US

That's a great point. The suggestions we both just gave almost prove that the Americans have the rest of the world to thank for them becoming so strong and not themselves. I've never thought of it that way.

[QUOTE="haggard_korn"]

[QUOTE="PimpiNbananas"]

Why is WW1 so unknown to people? I dont even know who we fought in WW1. WWII is always the war that gets mass exposure in media whether its movies, videogames, documentaries, etc..... I honestly can say I have no idea what WW1 was like, heard they didnt even have tanks. Anyone in the same boat as me? Why is so underated? Even the Civil war is more popular.

This quiestion popped up in my head when i watched Xmen Origin wolverine during the Intro Scenes.

Mikey132

Because no one wants to admit that we could have killed Hitler in WWI ;)

But really it's probably just because it wasn't as bad as WWII. WWI was just trench fighting which kind of makes it boring to talk about. While WWII had the holocaust and the invention of the atom bomb. :)

Wait, hold on! WW1 has the birth of Dogfighting, tanks and fire and manover tacticts. It has the use of chemical weapons. It has lot's of interesting stuff. WWI is in every way just as interesting and important as WWII.

I think a large group of people killing millions of other people and nearly taking over all of Europe out of prejudice and blind faith in a man with a mustache kind of makes the WWI things you pointed out seem boring. But that could just be me. :P

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

IDK, did they eve nplan on attacking the US if tehy won in Europe? thining of their not being a US, going back to teh American Revolution, its kind of teh opposite. with out the germans and the french the British would have beat us and there woulndt have been a US

fidosim

That's a great point. The suggestions we both just gave almost prove that the Americans have the rest of the world to thank for them becoming so strong and not themselves. I've never thought of it that way.

well we failed miserably tell Germany and France stepped in.we would have if it wre not for their contributions, especially for turning it into a european war and making the american colonies the least of englands worries. and the main reason we went from one of teh world powers to THE world power was because we sat by and watc hthe other powers destroy themselves.espeically WWI, we sat by and made big bucks selling stuff to both sides while they killed each other by teh millions.

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="haggard_korn"]

Because no one wants to admit that we could have killed Hitler in WWI ;)

But really it's probably just because it wasn't as bad as WWII. WWI was just trench fighting which kind of makes it boring to talk about. While WWII had the holocaust and the invention of the atom bomb. :)

haggard_korn

Wait, hold on! WW1 has the birth of Dogfighting, tanks and fire and manover tacticts. It has the use of chemical weapons. It has lot's of interesting stuff. WWI is in every way just as interesting and important as WWII.

I think a large group of people killing millions of other people and nearly taking over all of Europe out of prejudice and blind faith in a man with a mustache kind of makes the WWI things you pointed out seem boring. But that could just be me. :P

ummm they did take over all of Europe in WWII, thank god for the English Channel. I think it must just be you. You don't find that when the English built mines and packed them with TNT right under the German lines just to blow them up one day killing 10,000 Germans in an instant, and also creating the biggest man made explosion to date interesting?

What about when the Germans used the Gas and the French and English started to run away while the Canadians pissed on rags then used them as masks and filled the whole in the lines and kept fighting to hold back the Germans?

Honestly you must not know too much about WWI, but that could just be me :P

Sorry, this is my last post tonight. so I gotta end this, I'd love to keep discussing it though :)

[QUOTE="haggard_korn"]

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Wait, hold on! WW1 has the birth of Dogfighting, tanks and fire and manover tacticts. It has the use of chemical weapons. It has lot's of interesting stuff. WWI is in every way just as interesting and important as WWII.

Mikey132

I think a large group of people killing millions of other people and nearly taking over all of Europe out of prejudice and blind faith in a man with a mustache kind of makes the WWI things you pointed out seem boring. But that could just be me. :P

ummm they did take over all of Europe in WWII, thank god for the English Channel. I think it must just be you. You don't find that when the English built mines and packed them with TNT right under the German lines just to blow them up one day killing 10,000 Germans in an instant, and also creating the biggest man made explosion to date interesting?

What about when the Germans used the Gas and the French and English started to run away while the Canadians pissed on rags then used them as masks and filled the whole in the lines and kept fighting to hold back the Germans?

Honestly you must not know too much about WWI, but that could just be me :P

Sorry, this is my last post tonight. so I gotta end this, I'd love to keep discussing it though :)

That's interesting...but the holocaust and atom bomb are more interesting IMO.

Also, how could they have taken over all of Europe when they didn't have Britain, Ireland, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Finland, or Turkey. :roll:

No, I don't know much about WWI except the basics. Most likely because I just prefer talking about WWII. :)

EDIT: I feel like I wasted quite a bit of time now that I realize that is your last post for the night. :(

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Mikey132"]

That's a great point. The suggestions we both just gave almost prove that the Americans have the rest of the world to thank for them becoming so strong and not themselves. I've never thought of it that way.

well we failed miserably tell Germany and France stepped in.we would have if it wre not for their contributions, especially for turning it into a european war and making the american colonies the least of englands worries. and the main reason we went from one of teh world powers to THE world power was because we sat by and watc hthe other powers destroy themselves.espeically WWI, we sat by and made big bucks selling stuff to both sides while they killed each other by teh millions.

Germany sent advisors to train our crappy troops aswell as the french. ever heard of Baron Van Stuben? he trained our troops, and couldnt speak a word of english. and French and spain big time helped us out by takeing the fight to England in europe. I forgot where, but at somepoint the King claimed that the conflict had surpassed a simple insurrection and said that he was more concerned with France and Spain( he lost care of the colonies)

I am also well aware of the german mercs the English got to fight for them.

Germany sent advisors to train our crappy troops aswell as the french. ever heard of Baron Van Stuben? he trained our troops, and couldnt speak a word of english. and French and spain big time helped us out by takeing the fight to England in europe. I forgot where, but at somepoint the King claimed that the conflict had surpassed a simple insurrection and said that he was more concerned with France and Spain( he lost care of the colonies)

I am also well aware of the german mercs the English got to fight for them.

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

Germany sent advisors to train our crappy troops aswell as the french. ever heard of Baron Van Stuben? he trained our troops, and couldnt speak a word of english. and French and spain big time helped us out by takeing the fight to England in europe. I forgot where, but at somepoint the King claimed that the conflict had surpassed a simple insurrection and said that he was more concerned with France and Spain( he lost care of the colonies)

I am also well aware of the german mercs the English got to fight for them.

fidosim

IM sorry I should of spesified this. he was a Prussian military Officer from teh Dutch Republic.

I also forgot to mention that several Native American Groups fought on both sides, although that was more in the Englands favor

If there was one war I wouldn't want to be in, It'd be World war one, especially in the Beggining when they lined up in rows like they used to..... thatd be terrible to an extreme unimaginable.

Trench warfare is boringMrLions

That's interesting...but the holocaust and atom bomb are more interesting IMO.

Also, how could they have taken over all of Europe when they didn't have Britain, Ireland, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Finland, or Turkey. :roll:

No, I don't know much about WWI except the basics. Most likely because I just prefer talking about WWII. :)

EDIT: I feel like I wasted quite a bit of time now that I realize that is your last post for the night. :(

Mikey132

Why is WW1 so unknown to people? I dont even know who we fought in WW1. WWII is always the war that gets mass exposure in media whether its movies, videogames, documentaries, etc..... I honestly can say I have no idea what WW1 was like, heard they didnt even have tanks. Anyone in the same boat as me? Why is so underated? Even the Civil war is more popular.

This quiestion popped up in my head when i watched Xmen Origin wolverine during the Intro Scenes.

PimpiNbananas

Trench warfare is boringMrLions

There is actually a lot of tactics involved.. they would set trenches on adjacent angles so if a shell landing it one trench line, it would cause minimal casualties. They had several rows of trenches that went from the north of France to the Southern tip. They had trenches that went from the front line to the back line, used to move troops and supplies forward and back. They would setup the barb wire in ways to funnel the enemy into "kill zones", having multiple machine gun nests setup so when the enemy makes a charge, their troops are funneled right into those machine guns, causing massive amounts of casualties with minimal losses to their side. Trench Warfare isn't "boring".. its interesting. The soldiers put up with constant shelling, live with rats, eat stale food, suffer from dysentry and disease, see their friends and ones they've lived with for years die, and would have to charge into enemy fire knowing their survival rate is lower than a skydiver without a parachute.

EDIT: GS is mucking up again and wont let me put the paragraphs into easily readable, multiple ones..

The reason it is not known all to well in America is because of America's limited involvement in the war.

WWII is known more than WWI because of the huge amount of human suffering, the Third Reich and the amount of advances that happened during it. WWI has very few living survivors, so all that can be found out about it is limited. WWII however captivates people because of the Holocaust. Plus it is the most known historical event of all time.

There were loads of advances during the war, so part of the fascination is that all of these things came from a war with Nazism. Sonar, jet planes (the Germans had a prototype), helicopters (German prototype as well), and other things, such as the assault rifle. WWI was every bit as bad, but nobody remembers it due to the fact there is so little about it.

It has less relevance to the United States, and is taught less accordingly. Outside the US (in Europe and Australia for example) its coverage is much greater.

WWII is known more than WWI because of the huge amount of human suffering, the Third Reich and the amount of advances that happened during it. WWI has very few living survivors, so all that can be found out about it is limited. WWII however captivates people because of the Holocaust. Plus it is the most known historical event of all time.

There were loads of advances during the war, so part of the fascination is that all of these things came from a war with Nazism. Sonar, jet planes (the Germans had a prototype), helicopters (German prototype as well), and other things, such as the assault rifle. WWI was every bit as bad, but nobody remembers it due to the fact there is so little about it.

xMP44x

Because it was a bloody war of attrition where things like the machine gun were solely defensive emplacements... It was actually a war started by realistic reasons, instead of the World War 2 "fight against evil" people like to claim.sSubZerOo