Worst Individual in History

me. in 3 years, you will all know why

needled24-7

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

lol@ the person naming Barack Obama. Obvious troll is obvious?

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Or maybe he just disagrees with him...:|

Satan, if he counts... If not, then Hitler.

me. in 3 years, you will all know why

Satan, if he counts... If not, then Hitler.

supergamer514

[QUOTE="rlake"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Whether or not that was a genocide is debatable. Like I've said many deaths attributed to Stalin and the USSR were result of a problem with industrialisation and collectivisation. The Holocaust is not debatable about whether it was intentional or not, and the holocaust was caused by a man with a personal disliking for a race of people.xTheExploited

Stalin was a brutal vicious nasty SOB long before he became leader. In fact, it was his brutality that allowed him to become leader, predominantly by killing anyone who opposed him. The guy essentially murdered people for a living prior to becoming the leader. Think about that.

The problem with your entire argument is that you aren't actually discussing these people as individuals. Rather, you are debating with yourself based on vague reviews of general outcomes across whole nations....which is pointless.

Make no mistake, both Hitler and Stalin are equally horrible individuals. As is your average serial killer. Or the whack jobs conducting experiments on prisoners of war. Or the inquisitors burning witches. There is no difference between any of these people as individuals. The only differences are mere circumstances they found themselves in....leader of a country, a sect, a military unit, or simply a one man band psycho. They are all equally depraved.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

lol@ the person naming Barack Obama. Obvious troll is obvious?

snowgoon1

Or maybe he just disagrees with him...:|

Well i love that smiley so there..:|..and you apparently ignored my other posts..

[QUOTE="Maqda7"]Adolf Hitler I don't really see how one can argue otherwise.dramaybaz

Constantine I
Charlemagne
Stalin

etc etc etc

Probably Genghis Khan

Satan, if he counts... If not, then Hitler.

[QUOTE="snowgoon1"][QUOTE="supergamer514"]

Satan, if he counts... If not, then Hitler.

supergamer514

Satan, if he counts... If not, then Hitler.

Hmm...Hitler was Pretty Bad, Saddam Hussein, Obama, Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Obama, Henry the VIII, there are a few more but, the Thread Creator only asked for one :P

Satan, if he counts... If not, then Hitler.

supergamer514

Yeah, I agree with this. Definitely Lucifer, then comes Hitler etc..

I am beginning to question if those who posted Obama or Bush have any knowledge of history.

[QUOTE="supergamer514"][QUOTE="snowgoon1"] He doesn't. Besides, if we're allowed to include lore, mythology and fiction, there's much worse than Satan. clayron

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="rlake"] No, it is not debatable. Stalin forced a famine that killed millions of Ukrainians. It is the very definition of a genocide. Further, why are you so willing to give Stalin - an incontrovertible monster - the benefit of the doubt? Last, the very fact that you - like so many others - are willing to rationalize his actions by citing the difficulties of colonial expansion is precisely WHY Stalin is worse than Hitler SUD123456

Stalin was a brutal vicious nasty SOB long before he became leader. In fact, it was his brutality that allowed him to become leader, predominantly by killing anyone who opposed him. The guy essentially murdered people for a living prior to becoming the leader. Think about that.

The problem with your entire argument is that you aren't actually discussing these people as individuals. Rather, you are debating with yourself based on vague reviews of general outcomes across whole nations....which is pointless.

Make no mistake, both Hitler and Stalin are equally horrible individuals. As is your average serial killer. Or the whack jobs conducting experiments on prisoners of war. Or the inquisitors burning witches. There is no difference between any of these people as individuals. The only differences are mere circumstances they found themselves in....leader of a country, a sect, a military unit, or simply a one man band psycho. They are all equally depraved.

His Excellency President for Life Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Conqueror of the British Empire.

That was his official title, to me that's worse than Hitler.

I am beginning to question if those who posted Obama or Bush have any knowledge of history.

ragek1ll589

Darth Vader was a pretty bad dude. He killed younglings.

[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="loft8000"]

so that doesnt outweigh the bad that religon has done, religion tears people apart, take for example this thread many people have said hitler however if there was no such thing as religion there would be no jews, and look at what the christians did to people over the years, killed off a lot of heathens and pretty much absorbed paganism into their religion and destroying a culture, also christians burnt many of their own people at the stake for "being a witch",. these are very few examples of what religion has done to civilisation.

loft8000

yes, its a part of human nature, however nothing could match the damage religion has done to society.

What are you talking about? I am no religious man but that is completely false. Money and Politics have killed and tortured far more people than religion. Religion was/is sometimes used to justify a war, but even then it was never the biggest cause. For the sake of argument we'll just include random wars in no particular order:

Hundred Years' War, War of 1812, Russian Civil War, American Civil War, Boar Wars, Opium Wars, The Mongol Conquests, WWI, WWII, Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War, American-Vietnamese War, Sino-Vietnamese War, Korean War, Iran-Iraq War, Operation Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, The Chechen War, etc.

This list will go ON AND ON. All of these were caused by economics or political situations. Just the ones I have mentioned combined will outweigh the deaths caused by all the religious conflicts combined.

I am beginning to question if those who posted Obama or Bush have any knowledge of history.

ragek1ll589

I totally agree. It seems to some people that having a different political alignment than their own is just as bad as killing 6 million Jews, still trying to understand the justification for that opinion.

Darth Vader was a pretty bad dude. He killed younglings.

coolbeans90

Darth Vader was a pretty bad dude. He killed younglings.

coolbeans90

Whenever there are threads that have anything to do with evilness, the arguements get really intense... and long... So long that I don't feel like reading them...

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

I am beginning to question if those who posted Obama or Bush have any knowledge of history.

theone86

I totally agree. It seems to some people that having a different political alignment than their own is just as bad as killing 6 million Jews, still trying to understand the justification for that opinion.

But teh govenmantz will take our health care!!!

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="supergamer514"] Oh, your an Atheist...supergamer514

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Darth Vader was a pretty bad dude. He killed younglings.

T_P_O

Yeah, but he killed Obi-Wan. I never got over that. History will judge him harshly.

1. Stalin

2. Hitler

3. Hugo Chavez

4. Osama Bin Laden

5. Whoever created the Al Quaeda

6.Karl Marx

Not in any order..and there are more but i can't think of them..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Darth Vader was a pretty bad dude. He killed younglings.

coolbeans90

Yeah, but he killed Obi-Wan. I never got over that. History will judge him harshly.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Darth Vader was a pretty bad dude. He killed younglings.

coolbeans90

Yeah, but he killed Obi-Wan. I never got over that. History will judge him harshly.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

1. Stalin

2. Hitler

3. Hugo Chavez

4. Osama Bin Laden

5. Whoever created the Al Quaeda

6.Karl Marx

Not in any order..and there are more but i can't think of them..

Major_Commie

You didn't read my other posts...and those are my top 6..rather..5...i never said they were correct..

[QUOTE="supergamer514"][QUOTE="clayron"] That may not even be it. Believe it or not...God, in the Abrahamic sense, has killed more people than Satan ever could dream of. Not saying God is evil, but if we are talking kill count here. God is winning. Remember the story of Noah...?clayron

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

me. in 3 years, you will all know why

Treflis

I thought Makarov wasn't going to strike until 2016!

[QUOTE="Treflis"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]

me. in 3 years, you will all know why

jetpower3

I thought Makarov wasn't going to strike until 2016!

Aparently not! It's already happening! (look at the pic)

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"] He had redeeming factors, he did kill the Emperor after all.xTheExploited

Yeah, but he killed Obi-Wan. I never got over that. History will judge him harshly.

The fact that Vader even tried to kill Obi-Wan makes my blood boil with the dark side :x

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="supergamer514"] Good point.... But Satan has evil purposes. God doesn't.supergamer514

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yeah, but he killed Obi-Wan. I never got over that. History will judge him harshly.

The fact that Vader even tried to kill Obi-Wan makes my blood boil with the dark side :x

[QUOTE="supergamer514"][QUOTE="clayron"] Satan is not evil in the common sense we use. Satan believes in free will at its most extreme. He feels people should be able to do what they want when they want with no repercussions. This is opposite of God's belief that a man/woman's life belong to God and that man/woman should show reverence and obedience to God and his laws.Everything the devil does is meant strictly to break people from doing what God wants them to do. Not necessarily going out and killing everyone there is. A demon is simply a diety that supports Lucifer's beliefs while and angel is one that stands by God. Sin (Evil) is just anything God does not condone, at least in a religious sense - it does not necessarily mean "Go kill, rape, and pillage." clayron

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Stalin was a brutal vicious nasty SOB long before he became leader. In fact, it was his brutality that allowed him to become leader, predominantly by killing anyone who opposed him. The guy essentially murdered people for a living prior to becoming the leader. Think about that.

The problem with your entire argument is that you aren't actually discussing these people as individuals. Rather, you are debating with yourself based on vague reviews of general outcomes across whole nations....which is pointless.

Make no mistake, both Hitler and Stalin are equally horrible individuals. As is your average serial killer. Or the whack jobs conducting experiments on prisoners of war. Or the inquisitors burning witches. There is no difference between any of these people as individuals. The only differences are mere circumstances they found themselves in....leader of a country, a sect, a military unit, or simply a one man band psycho. They are all equally depraved.

xTheExploited

Of course he did. He started in the anti-czarist underground as a street thug. He later graduated to extortion. Then to bank robbery. Then to murder. He had to leave the party for a short time around 1907?1908? after he killed 40 people in a bank robbery. He kidnapped and murdered hundreds of czarist supporters as the main means of supporting himself and his branch of the gang for years. He personally liked pummelling people with his fists. He adopted the name Stalin and the persona of the Man of Steel to back up his particularly brutish ways. All of this occurred well before he was anything more than a mid-level lieutenant in the cause. In many other places/times he would have been nothing more than a violent gang member.

If you are interested in the subject you need to read: Hitler & Stalin - Parallel Lives written by the famous and very well respected historian Alan Bullock. The stuff you are exposed to in typical university ****s on this subject is insufficient. I ought to know as I have both undegraduate and graduate degrees in the subject and took Soviet Studies 25 years ago, when there really were Soviets :P

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

[QUOTE="St_JimmyX"]

Pol Pot

Leopold II

Ivan IV

Atilla the Hun

Genghis Khan

Vlad the Impaler

Don't forget these.

Maybe if you had a little more understanding of history, you could.

Setsa

This list pretty much covers it.

He gathered and slaughtered civilians in front of him and his son for entertainment:|.

[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

This list pretty much covers it.

St_JimmyX

He gathered and slaughtered civilians in front of him and his son for entertainment:|.

Regular Wednesday for me.

[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

This list pretty much covers it.

He gathered and slaughtered civilians in front of him and his son for entertainment:|.

[QUOTE="St_JimmyX"]

[QUOTE="Setsa"] You know, Ivan the Terrible wasn't THAT terrible : /StripTheSoul

He gathered and slaughtered civilians in front of him and his son for entertainment:|.

Regular Wednesday for me.

[QUOTE="St_JimmyX"]

[QUOTE="Setsa"] You know, Ivan the Terrible wasn't THAT terrible : /StripTheSoul

He gathered and slaughtered civilians in front of him and his son for entertainment:|.

Regular Wednesday for me.