No Stalin did not kill people to get to become leader. He manipulated people to get to the top. One minute he was sided with one person and then another he is turning the whole party against them. What are you thinking of is the purges. Stalin killed and exiled anyone who posed a thread to his control over the party after he had become the leader. No one knew how terrible this man was until after he took control and by then it was already too late. Before Lenin died, Stalin had hardly any control over the party. To judge anyone as the worst person in history you must REVIEW how they acted. He put forward an argument and I put forward reasons for why someone would think that way, I've already made my judgement on who is the worst person in history I was simply showing him why some people think the way they think. What I wrote about there is not my complete judgement of Hitler and Stalin simply a very brief summary of some of their actions.[QUOTE="xTheExploited"] [QUOTE="SUD123456"]
Stalin was a brutal vicious nasty SOB long before he became leader. In fact, it was his brutality that allowed him to become leader, predominantly by killing anyone who opposed him. The guy essentially murdered people for a living prior to becoming the leader. Think about that.
The problem with your entire argument is that you aren't actually discussing these people as individuals. Rather, you are debating with yourself based on vague reviews of general outcomes across whole nations....which is pointless.
Make no mistake, both Hitler and Stalin are equally horrible individuals. As is your average serial killer. Or the whack jobs conducting experiments on prisoners of war. Or the inquisitors burning witches. There is no difference between any of these people as individuals. The only differences are mere circumstances they found themselves in....leader of a country, a sect, a military unit, or simply a one man band psycho. They are all equally depraved.
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Of course he did. He started in the anti-czarist underground as a street thug. He later graduated to extortion. Then to bank robbery. Then to murder. He had to leave the party for a short time around 1907?1908? after he killed 40 people in a bank robbery. He kidnapped and murdered hundreds of czarist supporters as the main means of supporting himself and his branch of the gang for years. He personally liked pummelling people with his fists. He adopted the name Stalin and the persona of the Man of Steel to back up his particularly brutish ways. All of this occurred well before he was anything more than a mid-level lieutenant in the cause. In many other places/times he would have been nothing more than a violent gang member.
If you are interested in the subject you need to read: Hitler & Stalin - Parallel Lives written by the famous and very well respected historian Alan Bullock. The stuff you are exposed to in typical university ****s on this subject is insufficient. I ought to know as I have both undegraduate and graduate degrees in the subject and took Soviet Studies 25 years ago, when there really were Soviets :P
It seemed as though you were implying he killed the competition for leader of the Soviet Union after Lenin had died. When I say he didn't kill people to become the leader I mean he didn't kill the other contenders for ruler of the USSR. What he did in the early years before the revolution has little to do with him becoming the leader of the party. I'm strictly talking about the post-Lenin years.
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