would you consider a woman who doesn't want kids to be "selfish?"

yes? no? thoughts?

RPGAddict4Ever

I think women who want kids are selfish.

What kind of women that don't want kids.. ?!Dogswithguns

a lot of them?

Anybody else think that in the long term people are going to regret not having kids and be really depressed by it. In psycholgogy happiness in late life is determined by whether you feel like you've accomplished something. Let's be honest, outside of family the vast majority of people do not.

I guess it could be argued that they're selfish because they're giving up happiness later on for what they perceive as making them more happy in the present.

MakeMeaSammitch

Not if they go through life not wanting kids

Not any more than a man who doesn't want kids. Also, this is a fantastic way to test for misogyny.

Anybody else think that in the long term people are going to regret not having kids and be really depressed by it. In psycholgogy happiness in late life is determined by whether you feel like you've accomplished something. Let's be honest, outside of family the vast majority of people do not.

I guess it could be argued that they're selfish because they're giving up happiness later on for what they perceive as making them more happy in the present.

MakeMeaSammitch

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

Anybody else think that in the long term people are going to regret not having kids and be really depressed by it. In psycholgogy happiness in late life is determined by whether you feel like you've accomplished something. Let's be honest, outside of family the vast majority of people do not.

I guess it could be argued that they're selfish because they're giving up happiness later on for what they perceive as making them more happy in the present.

The_Lipscomb

Nothing worse than knowing you're unwanted

no

lostrib

Anybody else think that in the long term people are going to regret not having kids and be really depressed by it. In psycholgogy happiness in late life is determined by whether you feel like you've accomplished something. Let's be honest, outside of family the vast majority of people do not.

I guess it could be argued that they're selfish because they're giving up happiness later on for what they perceive as making them more happy in the present.

MakeMeaSammitch

Sure, you could argue that. It would be a moronic argument, but you could make it.

Nope, but I do think that people who have kids without thinking things through to be selfish.tagyhag

Nope, but I do think that people who have kids without thinking things through to be selfish.tagyhag

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Nope, but I do think that people who have kids without thinking things through to be selfish.tagyhag

Uhh no, who da f*ck would think that?

No, it should really be her own choice whether she wants a kid or not.

besides the worlds poplulation is quite big enough as it is, any bigger we will start having some serious problems(heck we already are).

I mean, I would think both men and women who are married, but don't want kids to be somewhat selfish. I'm all for birth control and whatnot, but I've always viewed that marriage eventually results in raising a child, at least one. I could understand if one person of the marriage already had kids from a previous marriage, so in the current marriage they opt to have no kids. Or if the couple can't feasibly take care of a child or raise one for financial reasons.

Not at all. It may affect whether or not I would want to marry her though.

Pirate700

Nah, kids aren't right for everyone. Some people are good just having a partner or dogs or both. I'm sure a lot of parents with kids would look down their nose on her and call her selfish though out of their bitterness or lack of understanding.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

Anybody else think that in the long term people are going to regret not having kids and be really depressed by it. In psycholgogy happiness in late life is determined by whether you feel like you've accomplished something. Let's be honest, outside of family the vast majority of people do not.

I guess it could be argued that they're selfish because they're giving up happiness later on for what they perceive as making them more happy in the present.

worlock77

Sure, you could argue that. It would be a moronic argument, but you could make it.

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"] Well, he loves the kids regardless. [QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

Anybody else think that in the long term people are going to regret not having kids and be really depressed by it. In psycholgogy happiness in late life is determined by whether you feel like you've accomplished something. Let's be honest, outside of family the vast majority of people do not.

I guess it could be argued that they're selfish because they're giving up happiness later on for what they perceive as making them more happy in the present.

MakeMeaSammitch

Nothing worse than knowing you're unwanted

As if parents in general dont have kids for selfish or other stupid reasons...

Anyway, I dont think a woman that doesnt want to have kids is selfish. She is just not conforming to the strict expectations society has of women, and thats that.

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

Anybody else think that in the long term people are going to regret not having kids and be really depressed by it. In psycholgogy happiness in late life is determined by whether you feel like you've accomplished something. Let's be honest, outside of family the vast majority of people do not.

I guess it could be argued that they're selfish because they're giving up happiness later on for what they perceive as making them more happy in the present.

MakeMeaSammitch

Sure, you could argue that. It would be a moronic argument, but you could make it.

I have and frankly, for as valid as much of it can be, a lot that's been said in the name of psychology is hogwash. It is, unfortunately, a field that attracts far too much quackery. Regardless, having children is not requisite to have a sense of accomplishment.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Sure, you could argue that. It would be a moronic argument, but you could make it.

worlock77

I have and frankly, for as valid as much of it can be, a lot that's been said in the name of psychology is hogwash. It is, unfortunately, a field that attracts far too much quackery. Regardless, having children is not requisite to have a sense of accomplishment.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]somebody hasn't studied psychology....

SaudiFury

I have and frankly, for as valid as much of it can be, a lot that's been said in the name of psychology is hogwash. It is, unfortunately, a field that attracts far too much quackery. Regardless, having children is not requisite to have a sense of accomplishment.

Not to nitpick, but that's a rather clumsy way of agreeing, as your modified statement pretty much says the opposite of what I said.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I have and frankly, for as valid as much of it can be, a lot that's been said in the name of psychology is hogwash. It is, unfortunately, a field that attracts far too much quackery. Regardless, having children is not requisite to have a sense of accomplishment.

worlock77

Not to nitpick, but that's a rather clumsy way of agreeing, as your modified statement pretty much says the opposite of what I said.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

Anybody else think that in the long term people are going to regret not having kids and be really depressed by it. In psycholgogy happiness in late life is determined by whether you feel like you've accomplished something. Let's be honest, outside of family the vast majority of people do not.

I guess it could be argued that they're selfish because they're giving up happiness later on for what they perceive as making them more happy in the present.

MakeMeaSammitch

Sure, you could argue that. It would be a moronic argument, but you could make it.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Sure, you could argue that. It would be a moronic argument, but you could make it.

Makhaidos

Not at all. It may affect whether or not I would want to marry her though.

Pirate700

no

lostrib

Why would I?

deeliman

No, that's completely absurd. HoolaHoopMan

Could be a lot of reasons for not wanting kids other than selfishness. 

No.It's her body,she can do whatever she wants.

No, I consider it selfish if you bring a child into this world that you will not care for, bringing it up in proverty ect. So the child will grow up being a horrible person or have a shitty life. We need to reduce birth rates, not guilt tripping women into boosting the birth rate! There are too many people as it is!

Not at all. It may affect whether or not I would want to marry her though.

Pirate700

Not at all

No

Not at all. It may affect whether or not I would want to marry her though.

Pirate700

No.

No, but I think women over 40 who have kids are. By the time the kid is 20, the woman will be in her 60s, which is the age group of many peoples' grandparents. And if their grandparents are even alive by the time the kid is 20, they'll be in their 80's or 90s. That child will be experiencing a lot of loss in their 20s and 30s. Just doesn't seem right to me. 

People in Asia, Africa, and Latin America should really start having less kids. Having kids while you're in deep poverty also comes off as selfish to me because the kids will be entering a world of suffering. We really have more than enough people on the planet right now. There's really no reason why two countries on the planet need to have a billion people each, having 40% of the human population put together. 

Bangladesh is the size of Iowa but has a population of about 150-160 million, which is more than Russia (140 million), the largest country on Earth by land area. It is also half the population of the US. That is beyond ridiculous. The country lies on a flood plain, which could put at least half the country underwater. I know it's a part of their culture to have lots of kids, but given the fact that their country is low-lying and poor, having a lot of kids will only exacerbate their problems. 

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. 

It depends on her reason for not wanting to have kids. If the reason is selfish then she would be acting selfishly, but if the reason isn't selfish (say she wants to be a nun or maybe a soldier or some similar kind of service to the common good) then it wouldn't be selfish.

That being said most European countries suffer from birth rates that are too low (for instance Germany is having some issues with its elder plan). America's birth rate overall is fairly stable but it could be a bit higher, I think our population only grows because of immigration. I heard on tv that the U.S. birth rate is currently at an average of 2.1 and that if that average were increased to 2.7 that increase would make Social Security solvent (I read somewhere else that a 5% increase in the U.S. birth rate would lead to a 7 Trillion dollar reduction in the national debt due to increased tax revenues).

No. However i do believe it's selfish to have children, while in poverty. "I want a baby" should not trump financial responsibility, and if you're unable to care for a child, you shouldn't be trying to have one.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]No. However i do believe it's selfish to have children, while in poverty. "I want a baby" should not trump financial responsibility, and if you're unable to care for a child, you shouldn't be trying to have one.whipassmt

No. However i do believe it's selfish to have children, while in poverty. "I want a baby" should not trump financial responsibility, and if you're unable to care for a child, you shouldn't be trying to have one.Nibroc420

I agree. 

It depends on her reason for not wanting to have kids. If the reason is selfish then she would be acting selfishly, but if the reason isn't selfish (say she wants to be a nun or maybe a soldier or some similar kind of service to the common good) then it wouldn't be selfish.

whipassmt

No. However i do believe it's selfish to have children, while in poverty. "I want a baby" should not trump financial responsibility, and if you're unable to care for a child, you shouldn't be trying to have one.Nibroc420

I agree.