Would you keep this girl alive if it were your daughter??

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#51 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]you guys have no idea what it's like to have a child...if so this would never be an option....if she eventually dies later in life so be it..but this is cosmetic....she still will have a personality...a life...will she look like every other kid?..no....but that doesn't mean she can't enjoy the wonder's of life......how did you people get so shallow?....RadBooley

We're not talking about a minor deformity here. We're talking about having no face.

Which begs the question, clearly the parents knew about this malformation before the birth seeing as a mother gets multiple ultrasounds counstantly to see if everythign is going alright with the baby.
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#52 moose_knuckler
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If she was in any kind-of pain because of it, I would. It would probably be the most difficult decision of my life, but I'd probably still do it.
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#53 effena
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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]The wonders of life that she would enjoy would be far less than the pain, agony and depression she would have to go through all her life.

I think it's being very selfish if you cant let her go just cuz she is your child, ultimately she IS the one who will live a life of misery...

BR1NG3R

that's pathetic...who are you to say that?....and who are you to assume that she will get far less joy out of life than you?....sure it will be tough...but life isn't always easy..and what now becomes the cutoff for restricting life?....uggliness?.....Social mal-adjustment?....cause let me tell you..there are plenty of ugly ddorks on teh web who are having a less joyfull life than I....maybe we should put them down too.... :|

http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/misc/juliannawetmore.html I think some children are just better off not being born. I'd personally let my kid die if that happened to them.

A quote from that website

"It must not be forgotten that, despite the disfigurement, Julianna is a bright, happy and healthy little girl."

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#54 Juggernaut140
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Hell no I couldn't let her live like that She'd probably be grateful too :|
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#55 artichoke
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There's no way I'd let that child die. She still has a functioning brain, can hear and she's learning sign language to communicate.Her life won't be easy but she can still function and her parents are there beside her. Also for the person who said they should of gotten an abortion, the scans only showed that she might have a cleft plate, not the deformity to this extent.
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#56 dominer
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No.

death is slightly better than going through life with that.

I would ask to be killed if I was like that.

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#57 SpaceMoose
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What would you do exactly? Let her starve to death?
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#58 SpaceMoose
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

So you recommend they kill the child? That is illegal.:?

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Thus, we need to make it legal.

I really wouldn't think it should need to be pointed out what a terrible idea that is...
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#59 Theokhoth
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Of course I would. Not only is it illegal to kill a child (:|) but there are operations for this kind of thing. Killing children for having a deformity under the guise of "It's the humane thing to do" is nothing more than eugenics.

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#60 GreenEco
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yes it needs to be put out of its misery
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#61 Bloodseeker23
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No, heck I told my parents that if someday I have a terrible accident that left me in a vegetable state that they HAVE to let me go and just turn off the damn machines.JimCarreyForYou
I think i would do the same thing too.. >[
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#62 Morning_Revival
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As MagicalClick stated, occasional death can be mercy.
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#63 deactivated-5e7f221e304c9
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Of course I would. Not only is it illegal to kill a child (:|) but there are operations for this kind of thing. Killing children for having a deformity under the guise of "It's the humane thing to do" is nothing more than eugenics.

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#64 Theokhoth
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As MagicalClick stated, occasional death can be mercy.Morning_Revival

Mercy from what? Bickering and mockery? Let's kill gay kids while we're at it; God knows they go through hell. Blindness? Aw, hell, let's get rid of those blind guys all over the place. Having a deformity? There are several million people in the world we should starve to death, then.

Let's not forget the people who actually have it worse than this girl. Remember that woman who had her face blown off with a shotgun?

You know what? Let's just get rid of anyone who doesn't meet x standard of health; they just get in the way--er, I mean, it's the merciful thing to do.

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#65 Kenny789
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As a parent of that girl, it'd be extremely hard for me to let her go. As long as I know there is a way to help her, I will be sticking by her side. I know it's an old story but I love what the parents are doing for her. Sticking by her side all the time and not losing hope, now that's love! What's the latest news on Juliana anyway?

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#66 thequietguy
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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

So you recommend they kill the child? That is illegal.:?

They wouldnt have to "kill" the child cuz she woudnt survive without expensive and special medical treatment. Leave it to mother nature and she wouldnt have survived...

Not saving somebody when you know you had the ability to is murder. But I don't want to be a hypocrite. I would seriously hate myself if my child came out like that. I would feel like a horrible person to deserve my baby being born without a face.
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#67 BR1NG3R
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[QUOTE="Morning_Revival"]As MagicalClick stated, occasional death can be mercy.Theokhoth

Mercy from what? Bickering? Let's kill gay kids while we're at it; God knows they go through hell. Blindness? Aw, hell, let's get rid of those blind guys all over the place. Having a deformity? There are several million people in the world we should starve to death, then.

Let's not forget the people who actually have it worse than this girl. Remember that woman who had her face blown off with a shotgun?

You know what? Let's just get rid of anyone who doesn't meet x standard of health; they just get in the way--er, I mean, it's the merciful thing to do.

Sounds like a plan to me.
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#68 Thessassin
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sometimes death is mercy

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#69 Oblivionfan10
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I would. Everyone has the right to live, even if they are born with a problem such as this. Here's hoping that her generation of youth are far different from the ones nowadays, though this is a long shot. But either way, I would keep her here
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#70 DJ-Lafleur
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Hmmm...could plastic surgery help her to build a face fo her? :?

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#71 FatalFantasy206
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I could never kill my own child, no matter what the circumstances were.

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Neither could I.

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#72 iowastate
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After you have been married and know what it means to really, really want to have a little girl of your own I can guarantee you will no longer so cavalierly speak about destroying a human life in such glib terms.

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#73 paul939
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[QUOTE="JimCarreyForYou"]No, heck I told my parents that if someday I have a terrible accident that left me in a vegetable state that they HAVE to let me go and just turn off the damn machines.Bloodseeker23
I think i would do the same thing too.. >[

Yup, same thing here. I wouldn't want be be alive as a vegetable. But killing a child is wrong.

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#74 ShortMonkey1
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That's funny because she probably couldn't speak for herself period.

lol I would keep her alive and good on the parents for doing so.
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#75 Shinobi120
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Anyone who says that "she should be killed" &/or "shouldn't have been born" has no heart. I wonder how you would feel if your child was born in a way like that?

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#76 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Anyone who says that "she should be killed" &/or "shouldn't have been born" has no heart. I wonder how you would feel if your child was born in a way like that?

garland51
I wouldn't.. I would have done the RESPONSIBLE thing and gotten a abortion than allowing a child being born with a painful and dibilitating disease or syndrome.. It was clear that this had to be apparent on ultra sounds, she was missing a freaking jaw for crying out loud.
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#77 Ceraby
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I'd keep her. Do whatever I could for her. Unless she specifically told me that she wants to die, then I'd let her go.

Hmmm...could plastic surgery help her to build a face fo her? :?

DJ-Lafleur

If I read right the article mentions at least 30 more surgeries than the 12 (?) ones she's already had.

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#78 gingefails
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I watched something on youtube about her the other week. People had posted comments about how she was "so beautiful" and "the most beautiful girl in the world". I'm sorry, but she's not beautiful and she never will be, at least on the outside. Yes, her personality may be gorgeous, but who these days would stop in the street and think "Well, she must be a lovely person". It was like people were saying good comments to make themselves seem on the moral highground. I'm sure she is a sweet girl, but she doesn't exactly fit society's definition of "beautiful".

Anyway, if I was her parent I'm not sure what I'd do. Although she seems happy enough now she's still young, and hasn't reached the age where she begins to question why she is different. What happens when she's a teenager? Will she be as happy when she realises that she does not have a "normal" face? It would be a hard decision but I think I probably would let her go.

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#79 HitomiChan
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Sometimes death is mercy.magicalclick
this.. its so sad.. i i couldnt and i wouldnt..

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#80 muller39
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if this was my child it would be awefully hard to let it go but i think i would have to i would rather have her die peacefully with a drug through her iv than suffer in pain with the countless surgeries and the shunning of society on her. plus the bill for all the time she is in the hospital would be alot and that would be tough to come up with in this economic crisis

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#81 matenmoe
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My wife and I have a 5 year old daughter. We wanted her for a long time. Luckily-in a universe where nothing is certain-she was given to us healthy. We had discussions before our first child was born (like parents SHOULD) about how we would handle the baby if we knew it might be born less than healthy. The discussions applied to each future child we'd have also. That first child is our 17 year old son. He is Autistic, but luckily again, he is very high functioning, he designs video games and buildings, and may get a scholarship for them one day. (yes-they are that good).

If our daughter had no face at birth, and we knew about it, we would still have her. It isn't about what everyone else thinks, and it isn't about us judging wether her life was a useless one. It is no single human's right to judge the value of another human's existence. Hitler anyone?) It is our responsibility to make sure the life we knowingly created has a chance to become a life. We had sex. We made another human-which is the ultimate function of sex. We accepted the responsibility / consequences of having sex. We WANTED the babies we made, however they would turn out. WeAre Grown Ups.

If you make such a child, then YOU go ahead and kill it -get your money back -so to speak. If you don't have the guts to face trials in life, you won't have much of a life anyway. It is not this dad's job to decide the life he creates is useless or not. It IS all dad's job to guarentee the life they create has a chance at living. Our only choice is weather we should create any life in the first place. After the sex, it is too late to change our minds.

Wear condoms if you want sex but don't want kids. Don't go WATB if the condom breaks, though. You're playing with life itself.

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#82 Montaya
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Couldnt they have done a face transplant from bone and tissue of a Cadaver?

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#83 iki080
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10 years later watch how technology will grow

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#84 matenmoe
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Unfortunately, it would have to be red tape legal (time constrainted)- organ donor in good facial health, or cadaver who recently died with no decomposition of tissues,etc. the other problem is possible rejection of new transplanted tissue.

I'll say one thing for those parents- they are some tough people with a lot of courage and compassion!

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#85 matenmoe
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10 years later watch how technology will grow

iki080

Maybe this girl being here is the actual way that technology WILL advance, too.

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#86 LGTX
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I can't believe you actually ask us if we would kill her.

1, Do most of us even know what's parental instincts like? Ok, experience aside;

2, How can you kill an innocent child? To hell with her face, get the money and keep her alive. Don't have it? Find a way for her to survive, at any cost. Killing would be an act of weakness, overcompassion and fear.

This thread is impossible.

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#87 kingdre
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It'll be hard but I'd keep her alive. There's no excuse to just end her life because of a deformity.

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#89 krazykillaz
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I wouldn't "put her down" if that's what you're asking.
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#90 -GeordiLaForge-
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Do so many of you really think she should be "euthanized?????" Do you think we should "euthanize" kids with down syndrome as well??? That's awful... just awful. Let the poor girl live. I would rather be disfigured than dead! I don't see other people with crippled body parts begging to be killed, and I doubt that she would want to die either! I would fight for the survival of my son, no matter the cost...
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#91 -GeordiLaForge-
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Do so many of you really think she should be "euthanized?????" Do you think we should "euthanize" kids with down syndrome as well??? That's awful... just awful. Let the poor girl live. I would rather be disfigured than dead! I don't see other people with crippled body parts begging to be killed, and I doubt that she would want to die either! I would fight for the survival of my son, no matter the cost...
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#92 calvinsora
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Yes, I would keep her alive, and I'd do everything to make her live her life. There are worse diseases out there that people are out there enduring, and still live a good life. Killing the child would not be an answer to all her woes. I also highly doubt you would feel the same way if you WERE her parents. No-one can know how they feel except the parents themselves. This isn't a situation anyone could compare to.

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#93 BR1NG3R
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Do so many of you really think she should be "euthanized?????" Do you think we should "euthanize" kids with down syndrome as well??? That's awful... just awful. Let the poor girl live. I would rather be disfigured than dead! I don't see other people with crippled body parts begging to be killed, and I doubt that she would want to die either! I would fight for the survival of my son, no matter the cost...-GeordiLaForge-
I think people with diseases and deformities should be ended whilst they are still in the womb.
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#94 Anonymous_7
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After you have been married and know what it means to really, really want to have a little girl of your own I can guarantee you will no longer so cavalierly speak about destroying a human life in such glib terms.

iowastate

As I said be4 that's being selfish, just becasue not killing her will make you less sad than otherwise doesnt mean that we should forget how the girl would feel as soon as she develops her senses ofconsciousness. And a good point someone else raised was the medical cost which would have to be bored all her life, it's really not worth to take a gamble, she "may" ultimately feel that living was worth it but you never know.

Can you imagine rasing that child, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on her medical and one day she cursing YOU for having given her birth? Even if she doesnt do that she will still always feel disguested in some way towards her parents, all the love and care they are showing for her will only be appreciated by her for so long.

And what happens when the parents die? Nobody is going to marry her, it will be difficult for her to have true close friends in her life. Put it siomply it will be even more miserable for her once the parents die which they would have to eventually...

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#95 Anonymous_7
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I watched something on youtube about her the other week. People had posted comments about how she was "so beautiful" and "the most beautiful girl in the world". I'm sorry, but she's not beautiful and she never will be, at least on the outside. Yes, her personality may be gorgeous, but who these days would stop in the street and think "Well, she must be a lovely person". It was like people were saying good comments to make themselves seem on the moral highground. I'm sure she is a sweet girl, but she doesn't exactly fit society's definition of "beautiful".

Anyway, if I was her parent I'm not sure what I'd do. Although she seems happy enough now she's still young, and hasn't reached the age where she begins to question why she is different. What happens when she's a teenager? Will she be as happy when she realises that she does not have a "normal" face? It would be a hard decision but I think I probably would let her go.

gingefails

Ya true, I'll be interested to see how many of the people saying "she is beautiful" would be willing to marry her once she's old enough.:roll:

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#96 sukraj
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such a sad story.

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#97 Maqda7
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Thats a very weird story. I would kill the child. But the question is are you killing the child to put it out of it's misery, or yours.
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#98 mmmwksil
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One of the comments on the article said:

I agree with Katie. This child has no future and her mother's pregnancy should have been terminated.

I have to disagree, she can look forward to a very lucrative career as a circus freak.

Sorry, that was overly evil, but I had to say it.

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#99 stepnkev
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You're right - that was overly evil and shouldn't have been said.

I wouldn't even think about killing this child. I would love her and raise her and do my best to give her a great life that she deserves.

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#100 matenmoe
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Thats a very weird story. I would kill the child. But the question is are you killing the child to put it out of it's misery, or yours. Maqda7

I disagree with "I would kill the child", but you are allowed to say that. However, your second part has more truth in it for me.

"..are you killing the child to put it out of it's misery, or yours". -Exactly.

The idea is not to be "We think she will be in a miserable life, so that life should end" Since when is the opinion of a person that is NOT her, supposed to overule her personal feelings about herself? NOT OUR CALL. I do not think for anyone else here, why is a deciscion being made to think for her? Suicide would be her personal business. Our killing her, with personal opinion as the guide, is never a choice we are allowed to have.