[QUOTE="JML897"]Getting healthier + saving money by not buying cigarettes in the future should be enough incentive for someone who wants to quit.daqua_99
This. If people can afford $15+ for a packet of smokes a day, then a tax break won't help.
Where do you live that its 15+ dollars for a pack of cigs. I spend around 4 dollars a pack where I live (Nevada)
This idea may help, but It's the opposite of what the government really wants to do. A lot of States depend on the money that they get from cigarette taxes so the idea that the taxes are to help people quit is a lie (It's gross that the government is telling the lie), but they don't raise the tax to high in most places because they know that to many people will be forced to quit or cut back by a lot.
I propose we reward those who quit with weed. :PHead_of_games
I wish I could get a medical Weed card to help quit. It would make it far easier because you have something else to smoke while your still on cigarette cravings then it's easier to quit smoking weed because it's only a mental withdraw or you could keep smoking weed because it's so good..
[QUOTE="JML897"]Getting healthier + saving money by not buying cigarettes in the future should be enough incentive for someone who wants to quit.daqua_99
This. If people can afford $15+ for a packet of smokes a day, then a tax break won't help.
What the hell? Where do you live? I've never seen a pack of cigarettes that high. A carton yes, but never a pack. And I live in Illinois, which has pretty hefty cigarette taxes.
[QUOTE="JML897"]Getting healthier + saving money by not buying cigarettes in the future should be enough incentive for someone who wants to quit.worlock77
This. If people can afford $15+ for a packet of smokes a day, then a tax break won't help.
What the hell? Where do you live? I've never seen a pack of cigarettes that high. A carton yes, but never a pack. And I live in Illinois, which has pretty hefty cigarette taxes.
Last I heard New York had an average price of 9-10 Dollars, so it's not unbelievable... people just like to hate on smokers and it makes me sad
I'm against the idea. Not just because of the reason you listed in the poll, but also because they'd ALREADY be getting a tax break by not buying cigarettes. There are so many taxes they'd already be saving on.
This. If people can afford $15+ for a packet of smokes a day, then a tax break won't help.
W1ckedGo0se
What the hell? Where do you live? I've never seen a pack of cigarettes that high. A carton yes, but never a pack. And I live in Illinois, which has pretty hefty cigarette taxes.
Last I heard New York had an average price of 9-10 Dollars, so it's not unbelievable... people just like to hate on smokers and it makes me sad
I can believe that. A pack often costs around $3-$4 as is, thrown in a $1 federal tax, and I just looked up cigarette taxes state-by-state and New York has the highest in the nation at $4.00 a pack. Turns out Illinois' tax wasn't as hefty as I thought. IL has a $0.98 per pack tax. Many states have $2.00 or more. I guess I thought Illinois was high because of my experience with bordering states KY ($.0.60) and MO ($0.17).
No. They're clear-thinking adults. It's their choice to slowly kill themselves. If they give a tax break to smokers trying to quit, then I better get one too for going to the gym and staying fit.
Yes, although my answer would probably be different if Australia didn't have a universal healthcare system (which I support, btw,) and they had to pay for the effects of their smoking themselves.
the only reason i support it is because .........it means less 2nd hand smoke for me and the end of supporting a business that sells death. Of course i'd like some modifications to it such as they must stay off it for 6 months and be tested randomly or something if its possible. I do support this
[QUOTE="JML897"]Getting healthier + saving money by not buying cigarettes in the future should be enough incentive for someone who wants to quit.worlock77
This. If people can afford $15+ for a packet of smokes a day, then a tax break won't help.
What the hell? Where do you live? I've never seen a pack of cigarettes that high. A carton yes, but never a pack. And I live in Illinois, which has pretty hefty cigarette taxes.
I live in new york, its expensive here (parents smoke, and a few friends do, not sure on exact prices)
the only reason i support it is because .........it means less 2nd hand smoke for me and the end of supporting a business that sells death. Of course i'd like some modifications to it such as they must stay off it for 6 months and be tested randomly or something if its possible. I do support thisMicrosoft1234
Random testing would make it incredibly expensive (not that it wouldn't be already. But anyway, this is just a bad idea all-in-all.
[QUOTE="JML897"]Getting healthier + saving money by not buying cigarettes in the future should be enough incentive for someone who wants to quit.testfactor888
This. If people can afford $15+ for a packet of smokes a day, then a tax break won't help.
Where do you live that its 15+ dollars for a pack of cigs. I spend around 4 dollars a pack where I live (Nevada)
Australia. The minimum price for a 20-pack is about $10.50, though most people buy the ones costing anywhere between $13 and $15 a packet
EDIT: The amount of taxes on cigarettes are insane here. They increased taxes by 25% earlier this year, adding an additional $2.16 to a 30-pack. Going by that logic there's about $9.50 in tax for a 30-pack of smokes
It shouldn't take a government tax break to get someone to quit smoking. They should want to quit for themselvesDivergeUnify
It would only be the government paying the people back for the outrageous taxes the government put on cigarettes in the first place... I'd be more happy if the government would just leave us be so I could smoke with out paying up the *** for there bull **** "sin" tax
This. If people can afford $15+ for a packet of smokes a day, then a tax break won't help.
daqua_99
Where do you live that its 15+ dollars for a pack of cigs. I spend around 4 dollars a pack where I live (Nevada)
Australia. The minimum price for a 20-pack is about $10.50, though most people buy the ones costing anywhere between $13 and $15 a packet
EDIT: The amount of taxes on cigarettes are insane here. They increased taxes by 25% earlier this year, adding an additional $2.16 to a 30-pack. Going by that logic there's about $9.50 in tax for a 30-pack of smokes
That's so hardcore wrong... Why do people let the governments do this... I can only see America trying to catch up to the rest of the world taxing the crap out of cigarettes with there bull **** reasons of doing it in the first place...
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]It shouldn't take a government tax break to get someone to quit smoking. They should want to quit for themselvesW1ckedGo0se
It would only be the government paying the people back for the outrageous taxes the government put on cigarettes in the first place... I'd be more happy if the government would just leave us be so I could smoke with out paying up the *** for there bull **** "sin" tax I agree all together. It shouldn't take a government tax to make cig smokers rethink their purchases :P
I think knowing that my lungs are black when they are meant to be pink and the other stuff it does to you would be enough to get me to stop. Then again I wouldnt start in the first place because im not an idiot.
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]It shouldn't take a government tax break to get someone to quit smoking. They should want to quit for themselvesDivergeUnify
It would only be the government paying the people back for the outrageous taxes the government put on cigarettes in the first place... I'd be more happy if the government would just leave us be so I could smoke with out paying up the *** for there bull **** "sin" tax I agree all together. It shouldn't take a government tax to make cig smokers rethink their purchases :P Your thinking under the lines that cigarette smoking is wrong.... If it's so bad why is it legal... If it's legal why does the government they have the right to screw with the prices of it so much... They don't do this to fast food which is also REALLY bad for you
[QUOTE="hotfiree"]I think knowing that my lungs are black when they are meant to be pink and the other stuff it does to you would be enough to get me to stop. Then again I wouldnt start in the first place because im not an idiot. People keep implying that cigarette smokers are idiots? I don't know if you meant to, but that's what you just did. I don't like that. out of the two threads with smoking in the past day I've seen several people insult smokers like that, but never got there posts deleted, so I'll assume its okay to quote your post seeing as how insulting smokers is the new thing to do at the Kool Kids Klub
Against. Plenty of people who have no desire to quit would find a way to take advantage of it. Commander-Gree
people that already have been smoking for years deserve a tax cut... They've already payed thousands in stupid cigarette taxes... Most packs you buy now over half the cost is tax if not more... Packs would be between 1-3 dollars with out these taxes so places paying 9-12 bucks a pack are getting boned..
Against it. Terrible idea. Their own personal choice should be the only thing influencing them one way or the other. The same goes for any other tax "incentives" that the government uses. Let the individual and the market work.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. Unless they give tax breaks to an exercise program, stopping drinking, stop eating fast food etc.W1ckedGo0se
Those places aren't already taxed up the ***... If you ever pay 200% tax to get fast food maybe people quiting fast food can have tax breaks too... Alcohol is highly taxed.:|
[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]Against. Plenty of people who have no desire to quit would find a way to take advantage of it. W1ckedGo0se
people that already have been smoking for years deserve a tax cut... They've already payed thousands in stupid cigarette taxes... Most packs you buy now over half the cost is tax if not more... Packs would be between 1-3 dollars with out these taxes so places paying 9-12 bucks a pack are getting boned.. Oh, please. The reason that cigarettes are taxed so high is because smokers have a much shorter lifespan, and so the taxes on cigarettes make up for the time that they're dead where most people would still be paying taxes.
Against it. Terrible idea. Their own personal choice should be the only thing influencing them one way or the other. The same goes for any other tax "incentives" that the government uses. Let the individual and the market work.
hoola
Are you saying they should take out the Horrible Taxes on cigarettes? If they did that they would Lose A LOT more money then give tax breaks to people trying to quit... Although I wish they would take the taxes off of cigarettes because It's not there choice to make people quit smoking...
Against it. Terrible idea. Their own personal choice should be the only thing influencing them one way or the other. The same goes for any other tax "incentives" that the government uses. Let the individual and the market work.
W1ckedGo0se
Are you saying they should take out the Horrible Taxes on cigarettes? If they did that they would Lose A LOT more money then give tax breaks to people trying to quit... Although I wish they would take the taxes off of cigarettes because It's not there choice to make people quit smoking... No but by taxing things we don't all do....saves the taxes on things we do all do. So I'd rather a smoker paid the taxes than myself.
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="hotfiree"] People keep implying that cigarette smokers are idiots? I don't know if you meant to, but that's what you just did. I don't like that. out of the two threads with smoking in the past day I've seen several people insult smokers like that, but never got there posts deleted, so I'll assume its okay to quote your post seeing as how insulting smokers is the new thing to do at the Kool Kids Klub So its a smart thing to do? How can you call them smart - you get nothing from it, drinkers get drunk, drugies get some kind of effect depending on their drug. All smoking does is damage your body, and you recieve nothing from it, no high or anything like that. How the heck is it smart? " Here is a stick - it won't give you any kind of effect all it will do is cost you money, damage your body, and can effect people around you if they breathe it in, you want some?'' "Oh yeah I do yayyyyy!"
[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]Against. Plenty of people who have no desire to quit would find a way to take advantage of it. W1ckedGo0se
people that already have been smoking for years deserve a tax cut... They've already payed thousands in stupid cigarette taxes... Most packs you buy now over half the cost is tax if not more... Packs would be between 1-3 dollars with out these taxes so places paying 9-12 bucks a pack are getting boned.. Will you be sending me my cheque for staying fit and healthy?
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]Against. Plenty of people who have no desire to quit would find a way to take advantage of it. Commander-Gree
people that already have been smoking for years deserve a tax cut... They've already payed thousands in stupid cigarette taxes... Most packs you buy now over half the cost is tax if not more... Packs would be between 1-3 dollars with out these taxes so places paying 9-12 bucks a pack are getting boned.. Oh, please. The reason that cigarettes are taxed so high is because smokers have a much shorter lifespan, and so the taxes on cigarettes make up for the time that they're dead where most people would still be paying taxes. Yeah thats the reason alright :roll:
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. Unless they give tax breaks to an exercise program, stopping drinking, stop eating fast food etc.LJS9502_basic
Those places aren't already taxed up the ***... If you ever pay 200% tax to get fast food maybe people quiting fast food can have tax breaks too... Alcohol is highly taxed.:| Then maybe it too, but I've never look up the tax rates on those and can only assume for ever one dollar your spend on alcohol 2 dollars doesn't go to the government... But not exercise Programs and fast food....
So its a smart thing to do? How can you call them smart - you get nothing from it, drinkers get drunk, drugies get some kind of effect depending on their drug. All smoking does is damage your body, and you recieve nothing from it, no high or anything like that. hotfiree
Incorrect, you do get a high of sorts off of smoking a cig. Its a nicotine fix and people tend to get more relaxed while smoking. There are positives to the negatives.
[QUOTE="hotfiree"][QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="hotfiree"] So its a smart thing to do? How can you call them smart - you get nothing from it, drinkers get drunk, drugies get some kind of effect depending on their drug. All smoking does is damage your body, and you recieve nothing from it, no high or anything like that. How the heck is it smart? " Here is a stick - it won't give you any kind of effect all it will do is cost you money, damage your body, and can effect people around you if they breathe it in, you want some?'' "Oh yeah I do yayyyyy!"
[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]Against. Plenty of people who have no desire to quit would find a way to take advantage of it. W1ckedGo0se
people that already have been smoking for years deserve a tax cut... They've already payed thousands in stupid cigarette taxes... Most packs you buy now over half the cost is tax if not more... Packs would be between 1-3 dollars with out these taxes so places paying 9-12 bucks a pack are getting boned.. Will you be sending me my cheque for staying fit and healthy? I will not be sending you anything for staying fit and healthy... My Health is not the governments problem... People that have smoked for years should get a refund because of this stupid tax. As I said in the other thread a lot of places that have lower tax rates don't want you to quit because they make so much damn money off you...
[QUOTE="hotfiree"] So its a smart thing to do? How can you call them smart - you get nothing from it, drinkers get drunk, drugies get some kind of effect depending on their drug. All smoking does is damage your body, and you recieve nothing from it, no high or anything like that. testfactor888
Incorrect, you do get a high of sorts off of smoking a cig. Its a nicotine fix and people tend to get more relaxed while smoking. There are positives to the negatives. The only reason people get relaxed from smoking is because smoking a cigarette satisfies their nicotine addiction.
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="hotfiree"][QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"] people that already have been smoking for years deserve a tax cut... They've already payed thousands in stupid cigarette taxes... Most packs you buy now over half the cost is tax if not more... Packs would be between 1-3 dollars with out these taxes so places paying 9-12 bucks a pack are getting boned.. Will you be sending me my cheque for staying fit and healthy? I will not be sending you anything for staying fit and healthy... My Health is not the governments problem... People that have smoked for years should get a refund because of this stupid tax. As I said in the other thread a lot of places that have lower tax rates don't want you to quit because they make so much damn money off you... Funny - I get stressed and I have never thought " Hmmm a smoke right now would really fix this" Well see who is smart when they are wasting tax payer money in the hospitals - taking up our beds and cant talk because breathing has become a full time job. Yeah real smart kid.
[QUOTE="hotfiree"] So its a smart thing to do? How can you call them smart - you get nothing from it, drinkers get drunk, drugies get some kind of effect depending on their drug. All smoking does is damage your body, and you recieve nothing from it, no high or anything like that. Commander-Gree
Incorrect, you do get a high of sorts off of smoking a cig. Its a nicotine fix and people tend to get more relaxed while smoking. There are positives to the negatives. The only reason people get relaxed from smoking is because smoking a cigarette satisfies their nicotine addiction. Your point? It is still relaxing and enjoyable for most of the people who smoke. Saying it does nothing for someone is incorrect.
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"] Those places aren't already taxed up the ***... If you ever pay 200% tax to get fast food maybe people quiting fast food can have tax breaks too...W1ckedGo0se
Alcohol is highly taxed.:| Then maybe it too, but I've never look up the tax rates on those and can only assume for ever one dollar your spend on alcohol 2 dollars doesn't go to the government... But not exercise Programs and fast food.... Why not? Fast food is taxed.
[QUOTE="hotfiree"][QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="hotfiree"] Will you be sending me my cheque for staying fit and healthy? I will not be sending you anything for staying fit and healthy... My Health is not the governments problem... People that have smoked for years should get a refund because of this stupid tax. As I said in the other thread a lot of places that have lower tax rates don't want you to quit because they make so much damn money off you... Funny - I get stressed and I have never thought " Hmmm a smoke right now would really fix this" Well see who is smart when they are wasting tax payer money in the hospitals - taking up our beds and cant talk because breathing has become a full time job. Yeah real smart kid. Kid? do I know you in real life? Oh don't ****** start with me... Most people have private health care (I'm no different)... The money paying for my bills is coming from me and the health insurance I'll be paying my whole life for... Also, I'll be paying more then the average person pays in taxes each year in cigarette taxes... so... while I don't care if I die that doesn't make me dumb.... If you don't know me don't generalize me or other smokers.
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