Wow I just thought of something

Its mind boggling....... People are acually racist because of skin color..? but if we were all the same color white we would only judge the personality..

wow its crazy that people do that, i just reliezed that people hate eachother over skin OMG O_O!! what if we were all white over the world what would happen then?

A huge rise in skin cancer.

but if we were all the same color white we would only judge the personality..

cyborg9

what if we were all white over the world what would happen then?

cyborg9

The sad thing about racism is that even if you extinguish it people will still find stupid reasons to hate one another, it's part of the human condition, in other words "haters gonna hate".

Then we'd find some other superficial aspect to hate each other over.

Then we'd find some other superficial aspect to hate each other over.

metroidfood

If everyone had the same skin colour people would still be discriminated for religion, sexuality, gender, etc.

So you're saying we should all be white? :Pgoth_bacon

I say no. At least, no one should want to be my shade of white >_>

Its mind boggling....... People are acually racist because of skin color..? but if we were all the same color white we would only judge the personality..

wow its crazy that people do that, i just reliezed that people hate eachother over skin OMG O_O!! what if we were all white over the world what would happen then?

cyborg9

Also, why do we all have to be white? Why can't we all be black? I WANT TO BE BLACK!!!!!!!!!:cry::cry::cry::cry:

The problem is assuming every individual who identifies with a group (by race, religion, height etc...) is the same way.

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It's assuming every person that's religious is just like those or that group of religious folk you hate.

It's assuming every black is just like those annoying people in the ghetto.

It's assuming every white is a racist who wants to put the black man down.

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It's using IQ statistics on how atheists are far more intelligent than the religious.

It's using IQ statistics on how Africans have the lowest IQ when compared to whites, asians, and hispanics.

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It's collectivism as a whole... And collectivism is pretty much human nature. Hell we excuse certain collectivism and bash the other, as if both don't make sense.

The problem is assuming every individual who identifies with a group (by race, religion, height etc...) is the same way.

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It's assuming every person that's religious is just like those or that group of religious folk you hate.

It's assuming every black is just like those annoying people in the ghetto.

It's assuming every white is a racist who wants to put the black man down.

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It's using IQ statistics on how atheists are far more intelligent than the religious.

It's using IQ statistics on how Africans have the lowest IQ when compared to whites, asians, and hispanics.

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It's collectivism as a whole... And collectivism is pretty much human nature. Hell we excuse certain collectivism and bash the other, as if both don't make sense.

JustusCF

[QUOTE="cyborg9"]

what if we were all white over the world what would happen then?

cd_rom

And:

Height

Weight

Hair colour

etc etc

So you're saying we should all be white? :Pgoth_bacon

i hate everyone regardless of skin colour

[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

The problem is assuming every individual who identifies with a group (by race, religion, height etc...) is the same way.

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It's assuming every person that's religious is just like those or that group of religious folk you hate.

It's assuming every black is just like those annoying people in the ghetto.

It's assuming every white is a racist who wants to put the black man down.

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It's using IQ statistics on how atheists are far more intelligent than the religious.

It's using IQ statistics on how Africans have the lowest IQ when compared to whites, asians, and hispanics.

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It's collectivism as a whole... And collectivism is pretty much human nature. Hell we excuse certain collectivism and bash the other, as if both don't make sense.

Nibroc420

The statistic diatribe was brought up because I've seen people use them to "prove" their superiority, using the collective mindset that they are not themselves, but they are part of this group and every aspect of that group pertains to themselves. In essence, it's the differences that bring about racism, it's not as simple as skin color, as the OP tries to say; as if it's not personality or anything other than the basic face, when in reality it's the underlying reason for the collectivism... That and other biological factors.

i hate everyone regardless of skin colour

sAndroid17

Good man.

what if we were all white over the world what would happen then?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="JustusCF"]

The problem is assuming every individual who identifies with a group (by race, religion, height etc...) is the same way.

___

It's assuming every person that's religious is just like those or that group of religious folk you hate.

It's assuming every black is just like those annoying people in the ghetto.

It's assuming every white is a racist who wants to put the black man down.

---

It's using IQ statistics on how atheists are far more intelligent than the religious.

It's using IQ statistics on how Africans have the lowest IQ when compared to whites, asians, and hispanics.

___

It's collectivism as a whole... And collectivism is pretty much human nature. Hell we excuse certain collectivism and bash the other, as if both don't make sense.

JustusCF

The statistic diatribe was brought up because I've seen people use them to "prove" their superiority, using the collective mindset that they are not themselves, but they are part of this group and every aspect of that group pertains to themselves. In essence, it's the differences that bring about racism, it's not as simple as skin color, as the OP tries to say; as if it's not personality or anything other than the basic face, when in reality it's the underlying reason for the collectivism... That and other biological factors.

It's okay. I hate everyone for the right reasons.

[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So you blame the statistics that are gathered, and how they're used to represent things?Nibroc420

The statistic diatribe was brought up because I've seen people use them to "prove" their superiority, using the collective mindset that they are not themselves, but they are part of this group and every aspect of that group pertains to themselves. In essence, it's the differences that bring about racism, it's not as simple as skin color, as the OP tries to say; as if it's not personality or anything other than the basic face, when in reality it's the underlying reason for the collectivism... That and other biological factors.

Well, I think collectivism is all the same (in that I think that even the smallest amount can eventually manifest into something bigger), but I admit that there are definitely varying degrees of it.

Even if you are racist for saying that, it's not like you want to hang all black people... as a "minority" myself, I certainly wouldn't hate you over recognizing a fact, unless you were to use it to group me with those, and say that you're better than me because of it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="JustusCF"]

The statistic diatribe was brought up because I've seen people use them to "prove" their superiority, using the collective mindset that they are not themselves, but they are part of this group and every aspect of that group pertains to themselves. In essence, it's the differences that bring about racism, it's not as simple as skin color, as the OP tries to say; as if it's not personality or anything other than the basic face, when in reality it's the underlying reason for the collectivism... That and other biological factors.

JustusCF

Well, I think collectivism is all the same (in that I think that even the smallest amount can eventually manifest into something bigger), but I admit that there are definitely varying degrees of it.

Even if you are racist for saying that, it's not like you want to hang all black people... as a "minority" myself, I certainly wouldn't hate you over recognizing a fact, unless you were to use it to group me with those, and say that you're better than me because of it.

Oh noes! We must save the children!

[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So you blame the statistics that are gathered, and how they're used to represent things?Nibroc420

The statistic diatribe was brought up because I've seen people use them to "prove" their superiority, using the collective mindset that they are not themselves, but they are part of this group and every aspect of that group pertains to themselves. In essence, it's the differences that bring about racism, it's not as simple as skin color, as the OP tries to say; as if it's not personality or anything other than the basic face, when in reality it's the underlying reason for the collectivism... That and other biological factors.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="JustusCF"]

The statistic diatribe was brought up because I've seen people use them to "prove" their superiority, using the collective mindset that they are not themselves, but they are part of this group and every aspect of that group pertains to themselves. In essence, it's the differences that bring about racism, it's not as simple as skin color, as the OP tries to say; as if it's not personality or anything other than the basic face, when in reality it's the underlying reason for the collectivism... That and other biological factors.

bobaban

In this case cultures, and define what large groupings within those cultures do. Which is why i dont believe it's Sexist or Racist.

[QUOTE="bobaban"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Which is where i have a problem. People can say "More men than women study sciences, as such, men must like science more." Statistics prove my point in that scenario. However if i were to say "African Americans have a higher drop out rate than Asians, as such Asians must view school as more important" I'm suddenly a racist. It's ridiculous.Nibroc420

In this case cultures, and define what large groupings within those cultures do. Which is why i dont believe it's Sexist or Racist.

You're stereotyping which is racist.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="bobaban"] Unless its pure engineering or mathematics. Women actually dominate the university scene, science is a very big faculty. But I will say the smartest man will be smarter than the smartest women. Your second statement only applies to the US. Plus there is statistically more black people in American than Asians. And given their recent cultural influence, of course the drop out rate will be higher. Your still grouping together people where some members don't fit that negative correlation. That's why it's sexist and racist.ROFLCOPTER603

In this case cultures, and define what large groupings within those cultures do. Which is why i dont believe it's Sexist or Racist.

You're stereotyping which is racist.

Not at all, I'm stating Facts and figures.

Unemployment Rates in 2009. the % of Blacks unemployed is almost double that of Whites? Why? Must be Racism.

More Blacks end up dropping out of School than any other race? Racist? Must be.

For someone to not link the two would be idiotic. Obviously an employer is going to pick the candidate that is better educated/trained and has more of a drive to go places with themselves.

Which is where i have a problem. People can say "More men than women study sciences, as such, men must like science more." Statistics prove my point in that scenario. However if i were to say "African Americans have a higher drop out rate than Asians, as such Asians must view school as more important" I'm suddenly a racist. It's ridiculous.Nibroc420

The problem here is that you're using facts to support a statement, but you haven't demonstrated that the two are causally linked.

In fact, you haven't even demonstrated that both are TRUE.

No, we would just hate people over hair and eye color. So blondes would reside only with blondes and red hair people would only reside with red people. I guess the same would go for eye color.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Statistics never represent any specific individual, they look at groups.

In this case cultures, and define what large groupings within those cultures do. Which is why i dont believe it's Sexist or Racist.

Nibroc420

You're stereotyping which is racist.

Not at all, I'm stating Facts and figures.

Unemployment Rates in 2009. the % of Blacks unemployed is almost double that of Whites? Why? Must be Racism.

More Blacks end up dropping out of School than any other race? Racist? Must be.

For someone to not link the two would be idiotic. Obviously an employer is going to pick the candidate that is better educated/trained and has more of a drive to go places with themselves.

Stereotypes are based on truth. This doesn't make them right.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

You're stereotyping which is racist.

ROFLCOPTER603

Not at all, I'm stating Facts and figures.

Unemployment Rates in 2009. the % of Blacks unemployed is almost double that of Whites? Why? Must be Racism.

More Blacks end up dropping out of School than any other race? Racist? Must be.

For someone to not link the two would be idiotic. Obviously an employer is going to pick the candidate that is better educated/trained and has more of a drive to go places with themselves.

Stereotypes are based on truth. This doesn't make them right.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Not at all, I'm stating Facts and figures.

Unemployment Rates in 2009. the % of Blacks unemployed is almost double that of Whites? Why? Must be Racism.

More Blacks end up dropping out of School than any other race? Racist? Must be.

For someone to not link the two would be idiotic. Obviously an employer is going to pick the candidate that is better educated/trained and has more of a drive to go places with themselves.

Nibroc420

Stereotypes are based on truth. This doesn't make them right.

That's not what I said at all. I just said that stereotyping is absolutely stupid. You suggested that blacks shouldn't be hired because of the high dropout rate, which is stereotyping (I bolded this earlier). Employers should pick the best employee, regardless of whether it's a he, she, shim, black, white, or any other color of the rainbow.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

Stereotypes are based on truth. This doesn't make them right.

ROFLCOPTER603

That's not what I said at all. I just said that stereotyping is absolutely stupid. You suggested that blacks shouldn't be hired because of the high dropout rate, which is stereotyping (I bolded this earlier). Employers should pick the best employee, regardless of whether it's a he, she, shim, black, white, or any other color of the rainbow.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Not at all, I'm stating Facts and figures.

Unemployment Rates in 2009. the % of Blacks unemployed is almost double that of Whites? Why? Must be Racism.

More Blacks end up dropping out of School than any other race? Racist? Must be.

For someone to not link the two would be idiotic. Obviously an employer is going to pick the candidate that is better educated/trained and has more of a drive to go places with themselves.

Nibroc420

Stereotypes are based on truth. This doesn't make them right.

The problem is that you then drew an ADDITIONAL link between blacks dropping out, and blacks not being motivated (not your exact words, of course). That's a problem because one of those things hasn't even been established as an actual fact.

See, you can cite two facts and establish a correlation. But that correlation certainly may not be CAUSAL in nature. Additionally, one can cite a fact and then infer from it, but that doesn't mean that the inference is fact as well. It certainly is possible for people to use facts as the foundation for incorrect discriminatory ideas.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So you're saying theres no link between the high rate of blacks dropping out, and the high black unemployment? :roll: And if you claim there is a link you're a racist right? :roll: Just stating facts people.

Nibroc420

That's not what I said at all. I just said that stereotyping is absolutely stupid. You suggested that blacks shouldn't be hired because of the high dropout rate, which is stereotyping (I bolded this earlier). Employers should pick the best employee, regardless of whether it's a he, she, shim, black, white, or any other color of the rainbow.

Yes, they're connected. I never said that they weren't. I just commented on you saying you weren't racist and then stereotyping.

EDIT: Like the above person said, those two stats have nothing to do with blacks being undetermined or bad workers.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

That's not what I said at all. I just said that stereotyping is absolutely stupid. You suggested that blacks shouldn't be hired because of the high dropout rate, which is stereotyping (I bolded this earlier). Employers should pick the best employee, regardless of whether it's a he, she, shim, black, white, or any other color of the rainbow.

ROFLCOPTER603

Yes, they're connected. I never said that they weren't. I just commented on you saying you weren't racist and then stereotyping.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] And i'm saying statistics say that "More blacks drop out than any other race" I'm also saying "Blacks also have a higher unemployment % than Whites" Are these not connected?Nibroc420

Yes, they're connected. I never said that they weren't. I just commented on you saying you weren't racist and then stereotyping.

I'm not sure how you got there. I thought you were saying that blacks shouldn't be hired because statistically they are failures.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

Yes, they're connected. I never said that they weren't. I just commented on you saying you weren't racist and then stereotyping.

ROFLCOPTER603

I'm not sure how you got there. I thought you were saying that blacks shouldn't be hired because statistically they are failures.

I'm not stereotyping. I'm just saying that perhaps more blacks would be employed if less blacks dropped out.Nibroc420

Probably, but maybe not. You've established a correlation, and there's quite likely a certain amount of causality going on there. However, a black man failing to find employment might not be DIRECTLY related to him dropping out. If he hadn't dropped out, the employer still might not have hired him for whatever reason (one possible reason....maybe most employers are simply racist against blacks).

Now, I'm not saying that the alternative possibilities are even likely. What I'm saying is that your DATA doesn't lead to your CONCLUSIONS. It certainly MIGHT be the case that blacks are simply less motivated, but that's not evident in the data that you provided. You aren't just citing facts, you're interpretting what those facts MEAN. And it's not at all uncommon for facts to be selevtively interpretted in such a way as to advance a particular agenda (one which certainly can be totally racist).