wtf is the problem with being h0m0sexual?

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]gayness is against nature's code and lots of peoples religions. People arent born gay and is subject to debate on how people actually trully become gay it's blocked because of misuse.Premier1101

More than that, if it were against "nature's code", then why is it that homosexuality is an occurrence in other species as well?

read my post after that, I summed it up...

That doesn't really explain it considering the fact that there would need to be a sense of reciprocity between the two males or females that are involved in the behavior, not to mention that it would suggest that two members of the same gender are somehow isolated from the opposite sex within a given area. It's highly unlikely for such an event to occur even in the slightest considering how concentrated animals are in certain areas, so that doesn't prove much. Even so, I'd like to see where you got the information to come to that conclusion.

I missed the irony :?

Premier1101

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

[QUOTE="reaver171"]Gays are born from the BS the media throws at you. No, you didn't find out you were bisexual. It doesn't just happen, it's a choice.UssjTrunks

Then surely then, you could watch gay porn without being disgusted, since sexual preference is merely "choice". :roll:

Convenient. Even if I asked you to go watch sme gay porn now and convert to homosexuality, it wouldn't happen because you've 'taught yourself to be disgusted by it'. :lol: And are you seriously suggesting that homosexuals become that because they stare at gay porn for a while convincing themselves that they like it? :roll:

It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.suspenddodger

Amen

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]gayness is against nature's code and lots of peoples religions. People arent born gay and is subject to debate on how people actually trully become gay it's blocked because of misuse.Premier1101

More than that, if it were against "nature's code", then why is it that homosexuality is an occurrence in other species as well?

I missed the irony :?

The irony is that humans are arguably the most "un-natural" beings to dwell upon this planet because of the way that we live. We use many artificial materials to cover our bodies, we use electronics for communication and entertainment, we use machines to perform tasks such as work or transportation, and we wage war with highly volatile and deadly weapons. Most of that stuff isn't found in nature, and is hence forth, un-natural.

ALRIGHT, listen. You guys are all saying "MAYBE THEY THINK HETEROSEXUALS ARE DISGUSTING!!?!111" No. Humans are born as one gender and have instinctive attraction to the opposite gender. The whole point of it is REPRODUCTION. If you weren't attracted to the opposite gender, you wouldn't be attracted to anything, naturally. Why would nature make you like the same sex? You would have no descendants and you would be the weak, recessive gene of humanity and you would die off. Do you wonder why the media constantly pushes the idea that "It's okay to be gay"?

Think about the world's population. Quite a lot of people packed in here right? What better way would you be able to decrease the population for your descendants and their descendants and so on? The answer, is homosexuality. Let's say little Jimmy 'thinks' that he is gay and believes he was born that way. He no longer accepts his attraction to females and becomes involved with a man. No longer will little Jimmy find a woman and have children, and his children will not have children because they will not exist. Little Jimmy will grow up and end up living with his partner, and likely contracting AIDS, killing him off faster. Bam. Quite a bit of the population lost, and even more in the scale of things relative to time (Like Jimmy's possible children, and their possible children and so on; the exponential growth of humanity). And there you go, a nice and roomy world for the dominant heterosexual generations.

Now do you think there's some truth to this?

[QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]

but if say a country full of gay people existed they would reproduce? are we having a Jurassic Park moment? :P

DeeJayInphinity

isnt there a movie where all the women revolt against the men and use artificial sperm to create new babies?

I doubt the human race will adapt to gayness, on the fact that every human would become gay within 10 years even. Dinosaurs did it, over MILLIONS of years. Humans dont have that kind of time slot.

:roll: artificial insemination isnt a natural adapatation. Its done by humans. By adapt I mean evolve. Like humans becoming whats the word for two-sexed? w/e too tired. But can you name any ways that say 5000 gay people that dont have sex with the opposite sex using natural ways to have babies?

I cant. its not possible. If everyone turned gay and we didnt have techniques available to us that we do from the past what century? the human race Wouldve died out.

Gays are born from the BS the media throws at you. No, you didn't find out you were bisexual. It doesn't just happen, it's a choice.reaver171

ALRIGHT, listen. You guys are all saying "MAYBE THEY THINK HETEROSEXUALS ARE DISGUSTING!!?!111" No. Humans are born as one gender and have instinctive attraction to the opposite gender. The whole point of it is REPRODUCTION. If you weren't attracted to the opposite gender, you wouldn't be attracted to anything, naturally. Why would nature make you like the same sex? You would have no descendants and you would be the weak, recessive gene of humanity and you would die off. Do you wonder why the media constantly pushes the idea that "It's okay to be gay"?

Think about the world's population. Quite a lot of people packed in here right? What better way would you be able to decrease the population for your descendants and their descendants and so on? The answer, is homosexuality. Let's say little Jimmy 'thinks' that he is gay and believes he was born that way. He no longer accepts his attraction to females and becomes involved with a man. No longer will little Jimmy find a woman and have children, and his children will not have children because they will not exist. Little Jimmy will grow up and end up living with his partner, and likely contracting AIDS, killing him off faster. Bam. Quite a bit of the population lost, and even more in the scale of things relative to time (Like Jimmy's possible children, and their possible children and so on; the exponential growth of humanity). And there you go, a nice and roomy world for the dominant heterosexual generations.

Now do you think there's some truth to this?

reaver171

No, I think your a horrible person.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]

but if say a country full of gay people existed they would reproduce? are we having a Jurassic Park moment? :P

UssjTrunks

homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality. but I tend to believe that most everyone is not 100% straight or gay rather than to some degree of Bisexuality, like the Kinsey scale

[QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]gayness is against nature's code and lots of peoples religions. People arent born gay and is subject to debate on how people actually trully become gay it's blocked because of misuse.Blood-Scribe

More than that, if it were against "nature's code", then why is it that homosexuality is an occurrence in other species as well?

read my post after that, I summed it up...

That doesn't really explain it considering the fact that there would need to be a sense of reciprocity between the two males or females that are involved in the behavior, not to mention that it would suggest that two members of the same gender are somehow isolated from the opposite sex within a given area. It's highly unlikely for such an event to occur even in the slightest considering how concentrated animals are in certain areas, so that doesn't prove much. Even so, I'd like to see where you got the information to come to that conclusion.

watch Animal planet stuff sometime. It showed bears and such primarily. Sometimes they just feel like doing it, with w/e they can mount... :lol: it was a good specail, but they didnt relate it to humans. All they said was humans arent animals.

[QUOTE="Premier1101"]

I missed the irony :?

DeeJayInphinity

ok.... Im thinking logistically when im tired. Quit making it hard for me! :cry:

point out a couple of gays who reproduce naturally ;)

[QUOTE="reaver171"]Gays are born from the BS the media throws at you. No, you didn't find out you were bisexual. It doesn't just happen, it's a choice.xaos

Everyone is an expert at subjects they know nothing about it sometimes seems

:roll: artificial insemination isnt a natural adapatation. Its done by humans. By adapt I mean evolve. Like humans becoming whats the word for two-sexed? w/e too tired. But can you name any ways that say 5000 gay people that dont have sex with the opposite sex using natural ways to have babies?

I cant. its not possible. If everyone turned gay and we didnt have techniques available to us that we do from the past what century? the human race Wouldve died out.

Premier1101

[QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]gayness is against nature's code and lots of peoples religions. People arent born gay and is subject to debate on how people actually trully become gay it's blocked because of misuse.Blood-Scribe

More than that, if it were against "nature's code", then why is it that homosexuality is an occurrence in other species as well?

I missed the irony :?

The irony is that humans are arguably the most "un-natural" beings to dwell upon this planet because of the way that we live. We use many artificial materials to cover our bodies, we use electronics for communication and entertainment, we use machines to perform tasks such as work or transportation, and we wage war with highly volatile and deadly weapons. Most of that stuff isn't found in nature, and is hence forth, un-natural.

Exactly, its why we are not animals. We are created in the image of God.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]gayness is against nature's code and lots of peoples religions. People arent born gay and is subject to debate on how people actually trully become gay it's blocked because of misuse.battlefront23

More than that, if it were against "nature's code", then why is it that homosexuality is an occurrence in other species as well?

I missed the irony :?

The irony is that humans are arguably the most "un-natural" beings to dwell upon this planet because of the way that we live. We use many artificial materials to cover our bodies, we use electronics for communication and entertainment, we use machines to perform tasks such as work or transportation, and we wage war with highly volatile and deadly weapons. Most of that stuff isn't found in nature, and is hence forth, un-natural.

Exactly, its why we are not animals. We are created in the image of God.

then god created gay people. simple as that

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]gayness is against nature's code and lots of peoples religions. People arent born gay and is subject to debate on how people actually trully become gay it's blocked because of misuse.Premier1101

More than that, if it were against "nature's code", then why is it that homosexuality is an occurrence in other species as well?

read my post after that, I summed it up...

That doesn't really explain it considering the fact that there would need to be a sense of reciprocity between the two males or females that are involved in the behavior, not to mention that it would suggest that two members of the same gender are somehow isolated from the opposite sex within a given area. It's highly unlikely for such an event to occur even in the slightest considering how concentrated animals are in certain areas, so that doesn't prove much. Even so, I'd like to see where you got the information to come to that conclusion.

watch Animal planet stuff sometime. It showed bears and such primarily. Sometimes they just feel like doing it, with w/e they can mount... :lol: it was a good specail, but they didnt relate it to humans. All they said was humans arent animals.

That's not much of an information source. I doubt I'll be able to turn on the TV and then the first thing I'll find on that channel is a study on sexuality in animals other than humans. And if Animal Planet of all channels said that humans are not animals, well then I no longer find them to be a credible source of information.

point out a couple of gays who reproduce naturally ;)

Premier1101

[QUOTE="Premier1101"]

:roll: artificial insemination isnt a natural adapatation. Its done by humans. By adapt I mean evolve. Like humans becoming whats the word for two-sexed? w/e too tired. But can you name any ways that say 5000 gay people that dont have sex with the opposite sex using natural ways to have babies?

I cant. its not possible. If everyone turned gay and we didnt have techniques available to us that we do from the past what century? the human race Wouldve died out.

DeeJayInphinity

sorry, but artificial insemination is not a natural adaption. Its humans mamipulation of the environment. I use scenarios so you can see where your plan is flawed. Nature doesnt include manipulation. Humans are the only creature able to do it. Along with destroying nature. We can destroy this earth you know? sorry off topic.

Humans arent born to artificially inseminate one antoher :roll: there ya go, thats pretty much the best i can give you

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]gayness is against nature's code and lots of peoples religions. People arent born gay and is subject to debate on how people actually trully become gay it's blocked because of misuse.Ring_of_fire

More than that, if it were against "nature's code", then why is it that homosexuality is an occurrence in other species as well?

I missed the irony :?

The irony is that humans are arguably the most "un-natural" beings to dwell upon this planet because of the way that we live. We use many artificial materials to cover our bodies, we use electronics for communication and entertainment, we use machines to perform tasks such as work or transportation, and we wage war with highly volatile and deadly weapons. Most of that stuff isn't found in nature, and is hence forth, un-natural.

Exactly, its why we are not animals. We are created in the image of God.

then god created gay people. simple as that

You are born sinful. One of your sins may be being gay but that doesn't mean you can't beat it.

[QUOTE="Premier1101"]

point out a couple of gays who reproduce naturally ;)

DeeJayInphinity

I agree with you. Ignorance is funny to me

That's not much of an information source. I doubt I'll be able to turn on the TV and then the first thing I'll find on that channel is a study on sexuality in animals other than humans. And if Animal Planet of all channels said that humans are not animals, well then I no longer find them to be a credible source of information.

Blood-Scribe

I agree with you. Ignorance is funny to me

Squire_Ramza

You must think you're the funniest guy on Earth!

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

That's not much of an information source. I doubt I'll be able to turn on the TV and then the first thing I'll find on that channel is a study on sexuality in animals other than humans. And if Animal Planet of all channels said that humans are not animals, well then I no longer find them to be a credible source of information.

DeeJayInphinity

Well then the other guy was probably just making stuff up, or highly misinterpreted what was being shown.

[QUOTE="Premier1101"]

point out a couple of gays who reproduce naturally ;)

DeeJayInphinity

ah now you see. Life cant go on unless humans do that. When they have sex, even if they dont want to, that STILL makes the bisexual. They can and did do both sexes. there.

a gay man would be I believe, unless they built an artificial womb and impreganted him, but that is sooo not natural

sorry, but artificial insemination is not a natural adaption. Its humans mamipulation of the environment. I use scenarios so you can see where your plan is flawed. Nature doesnt include manipulation. Humans are the only creature able to do it. Along with destroying nature. We can destroy this earth you know? sorry off topic.

Humans arent born to artificially inseminate one antoher :roll: there ya go, thats pretty much the best i can give you

Premier1101

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]

point out a couple of gays who reproduce naturally ;)

Premier1101

ah now you see. Life cant go on unless humans do that. When they have sex, even if they dont want to, that STILL makes the bisexual. They can and did do both sexes. there.

a gay man would be I believe, unless they built an artificial womb and impreganted him, but that is sooo not natural

[QUOTE="Squire_Ramza"]

I agree with you. Ignorance is funny to me

reaver171

You must think you're the funniest guy on Earth!

Nah, I just don't like narrow minded people.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

That's not much of an information source. I doubt I'll be able to turn on the TV and then the first thing I'll find on that channel is a study on sexuality in animals other than humans. And if Animal Planet of all channels said that humans are not animals, well then I no longer find them to be a credible source of information.

DeeJayInphinity

hey did a schpeel on the seperation of animals and man on a special once. It all boiled down to humans ability to reason and manipulate. Apparently that seperates us from all animals, but in my mind we are still sophisticated animals. so I agree there..

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]

point out a couple of gays who reproduce naturally ;)

Premier1101

ah now you see. Life cant go on unless humans do that. When they have sex, even if they dont want to, that STILL makes the bisexual. They can and did do both sexes. there.

a gay man would be I believe, unless they built an artificial womb and impreganted him, but that is sooo not natural

Just because a man has sex with a woman, doesn't mean he's Straight, or bi. A Man who sleeps with another man doesn't mean they are gay or bi.

Nah, I just don't like narrow minded people.

Squire_Ramza

It's funny how people like you call others 'narrow-minded' and talk about 'ignorance' when you just can't accept the truth.

[QUOTE="Squire_Ramza"]

Nah, I just don't like narrow minded people.

reaver171

It's funny how people like you call others 'narrow-minded' and talk about 'ignorance' when you just can't accept the truth.

It's rather ironic that you're boasting your opinion as if it is a categorical statement.

[QUOTE="Squire_Ramza"]

Nah, I just don't like narrow minded people.

reaver171

It's funny how people like you call others 'narrow-minded' and talk about 'ignorance' when you just can't accept the truth.

It's funnier in a sad sort of way that you accepted something that's far from being true

1. The reason you can't say gay in your topic title is because most people use the word as an insult.

2. There isn't anything wrong with being gay or bisexual. Don't let anyone try tell you otherwise.

[QUOTE="Squire_Ramza"]

Nah, I just don't like narrow minded people.

reaver171

It's funny how people like you call others 'narrow-minded' and talk about 'ignorance' when you just can't accept the truth.

I would if there was any shred of truth in what you stated.

[QUOTE="Premier1101"]

sorry, but artificial insemination is not a natural adaption. Its humans mamipulation of the environment. I use scenarios so you can see where your plan is flawed. Nature doesnt include manipulation. Humans are the only creature able to do it. Along with destroying nature. We can destroy this earth you know? sorry off topic.

Humans arent born to artificially inseminate one antoher :roll: there ya go, thats pretty much the best i can give you

DeeJayInphinity

ok dude, you arent getting my point. Artificial insemination is a manipulation of nature. Therefore regarded as unnatural. Why do you think so many people are against such stuff? homosexuality is found yes, but due to the reasons I already stated. My argument is strong. Yours is flawed. I bet mine is to some peoples minds too.

oh and you dont have to be attracted to be bisexual, just the act of having sex with the same sex and the opposite sex makes you bi.

[QUOTE="reaver171"][QUOTE="Squire_Ramza"]

Nah, I just don't like narrow minded people.

Ring_of_fire

It's funny how people like you call others 'narrow-minded' and talk about 'ignorance' when you just can't accept the truth.

It's funnier in a sad sort of way that you accepted something that's far from being true

Tell me what's far from being true about it.

Lets simply end this debate: is there a GAY gene? No. Its a mental.........alteration. Disorder. Its not something that happens to the especially deranged: its too common for that, yet not common enough to label a real "disease." I have a friend who is a friend to a lesbian. She is like that because, when she was 8, she was raped by some old man. Now, I'm not taking each situation to that extreme, but things like sex, sexual attraction, bordom, the house you were raised in, the influences upon you, create this "disorder." It is a disorder, because if it wasn't, we (the human race) couldn't reproduce. Its a disorder, but it exists for the reason all other disorders exist: the influences around us create them when they combine with our beliefs and personalities. Ever heard of gays that "return" to christianity? How do they magically up and stop being gay FOr the most part, "GAYness" is shallow, for the thrill of sex; again, don't take it to the extreme, cause not all gay/lesbian relationships are like that (hell some last longer than normal relationships in this modern world). But these are, plain and simple, the truth. Not facts, (except for the gay gene" part), not hidden revelations.

I'll ask you guys a question: ever heard of the Kieffler disease (Sp?). If you took at least basic bio in high school, you might remember it. Its when a male inherits two X chromosomes. So his chromosomes consist of XXY. YOu know whats the phenotypic result (what is expressed)? When puberty arrives: high pitched voice, swelling of the breasts, less production of the hormone testosteron (lol I spell bad), and even some mental disorders. AM I saying that this is a common reason for "gayness"? Hell no! I'm not ever a certified doctor yet, lol, or have extensive knowledge in any field. But it makes you think doesn't it: this type of disorders exist, but Gays and their supports are so strict on the fact that "gayness" isn't a disorder. Is that true? There is no gay gene, and there is medical evidence to at lease classify common gay indicators. So.........what can I believe? I don't care if your gay or straight, I'd interact just fine with both (might not make friends with a gay person though....). Have fun joke around, but gays and lesbians are people too, and deserve the protection from hate & violence that all others do under the US consitution (can't speak for any other country though, lol). But........guys, I'm sorry. Its a DISORDER. Nothing more to it

[QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]

point out a couple of gays who reproduce naturally ;)

Ring_of_fire

ah now you see. Life cant go on unless humans do that. When they have sex, even if they dont want to, that STILL makes the bisexual. They can and did do both sexes. there.

a gay man would be I believe, unless they built an artificial womb and impreganted him, but that is sooo not natural

Just because a man has sex with a woman, doesn't mean he's Straight, or bi. A Man who sleeps with another man doesn't mean they are gay or bi.

it means they are hetero, homo or bisexual. Dont believe me? google it.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]

sorry, but artificial insemination is not a natural adaption. Its humans mamipulation of the environment. I use scenarios so you can see where your plan is flawed. Nature doesnt include manipulation. Humans are the only creature able to do it. Along with destroying nature. We can destroy this earth you know? sorry off topic.

Humans arent born to artificially inseminate one antoher :roll: there ya go, thats pretty much the best i can give you

Premier1101

ok dude, you arent getting my point. Artificial insemination is a manipulation of nature. Therefore regarded as unnatural. Why do you think so many people are against such stuff? homosexuality is found yes, but due to the reasons I already stated. My argument is strong. Yours is flawed. I bet mine is to some peoples minds too.

oh and you dont have to be attracted to be bisexual, just the act of having sex with the same sex and the opposite sex makes you bi.

No, sex has very little to do with being gay straight, or bi. It's the attraction of the person that determines that

[QUOTE="Squire_Ramza"]

Nah, I just don't like narrow minded people.

reaver171

It's funny how people like you call others 'narrow-minded' and talk about 'ignorance' when you just can't accept the truth.

Because people are bigot asses. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being homosexual.

Live and let live.

Homosexuals have the right to happiness too. They're not hurting anyone and some homosexual couples I've seen treat each other better then straight couples do. Many homosexual couples even make better parents then straight couples. They help so much by adopting children that need homes and love.

And for those who believe you aren't born with it, you are.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Premier1101"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Premier1101"]

point out a couple of gays who reproduce naturally ;)

Premier1101

ah now you see. Life cant go on unless humans do that. When they have sex, even if they dont want to, that STILL makes the bisexual. They can and did do both sexes. there.

a gay man would be I believe, unless they built an artificial womb and impreganted him, but that is sooo not natural

Just because a man has sex with a woman, doesn't mean he's Straight, or bi. A Man who sleeps with another man doesn't mean they are gay or bi.

it means they are hetero, homo or bisexual. Dont believe me? google it.

it just means they can sleep with certain people. It means little of their sexuality

Lets simply end this debate: is there a GAY gene? No. Its a mental.........alteration. Disorder. Its not something that happens to the especially deranged: its too common for that, yet not common enough to label a real "disease." I have a friend who is a friend to a lesbian. She is like that because, when she was 8, she was raped by some old man. Now, I'm not taking each situation to that extreme, but things like sex, sexual attraction, bordom, the house you were raised in, the influences upon you, create this "disorder." It is a disorder, because if it wasn't, we (the human race) couldn't reproduce. Its a disorder, but it exists for the reason all other disorders exist: the influences around us create them when they combine with our beliefs and personalities. Ever heard of gays that "return" to christianity? How do they magically up and stop being gay FOr the most part, "GAYness" is shallow, for the thrill of sex; again, don't take it to the extreme, cause not all gay/lesbian relationships are like that (hell some last longer than normal relationships in this modern world). But these are, plain and simple, the truth. Not facts, (except for the gay gene" part), not hidden revelations.

I'll ask you guys a question: ever heard of the Kieffler disease (Sp?). If you took at least basic bio in high school, you might remember it. Its when a male inherits two X chromosomes. So his chromosomes consist of XXY. YOu know whats the phenotypic result (what is expressed)? When puberty arrives: high pitched voice, swelling of the breasts, less production of the hormone testosteron (lol I spell bad), and even some mental disorders. AM I saying that this is a common reason for "gayness"? Hell no! I'm not ever a certified doctor yet, lol, or have extensive knowledge in any field. But it makes you think doesn't it: this type of disorders exist, but Gays and their supports are so strict on the fact that "gayness" isn't a disorder. Is that true? There is no gay gene, and there is medical evidence to at lease classify common gay indicators. So.........what can I believe? I don't care if your gay or straight, I'd interact just fine with both (might not make friends with a gay person though....). Have fun joke around, but gays and lesbians are people too, and deserve the protection from hate & violence that all others do under the US consitution (can't speak for any other country though, lol). But........guys, I'm sorry. Its a DISORDER. Nothing more to it

peter1191

You make some good points but the disease with XXY is Kleinfelter's syndrome.

Lets simply end this debate: is there a GAY gene? No. Its a mental.........alteration. Disorder. Its not something that happens to the especially deranged: its too common for that, yet not common enough to label a real "disease." I have a friend who is a friend to a lesbian. She is like that because, when she was 8, she was raped by some old man. Now, I'm not taking each situation to that extreme, but things like sex, sexual attraction, bordom, the house you were raised in, the influences upon you, create this "disorder." It is a disorder, because if it wasn't, we (the human race) couldn't reproduce. Its a disorder, but it exists for the reason all other disorders exist: the influences around us create them when they combine with our beliefs and personalities. Ever heard of gays that "return" to christianity? How do they magically up and stop being gay FOr the most part, "GAYness" is shallow, for the thrill of sex; again, don't take it to the extreme, cause not all gay/lesbian relationships are like that (hell some last longer than normal relationships in this modern world). But these are, plain and simple, the truth. Not facts, (except for the gay gene" part), not hidden revelations.

I'll ask you guys a question: ever heard of the Kieffler disease (Sp?). If you took at least basic bio in high school, you might remember it. Its when a male inherits two X chromosomes. So his chromosomes consist of XXY. YOu know whats the phenotypic result (what is expressed)? When puberty arrives: high pitched voice, swelling of the breasts, less production of the hormone testosteron (lol I spell bad), and even some mental disorders. AM I saying that this is a common reason for "gayness"? Hell no! I'm not ever a certified doctor yet, lol, or have extensive knowledge in any field. But it makes you think doesn't it: this type of disorders exist, but Gays and their supports are so strict on the fact that "gayness" isn't a disorder. Is that true? There is no gay gene, and there is medical evidence to at lease classify common gay indicators. So.........what can I believe? I don't care if your gay or straight, I'd interact just fine with both (might not make friends with a gay person though....). Have fun joke around, but gays and lesbians are people too, and deserve the protection from hate & violence that all others do under the US consitution (can't speak for any other country though, lol). But........guys, I'm sorry. Its a DISORDER. Nothing more to it

peter1191

an influenced choice is not a disorder. You must have a different definition of what a disorder is. Like DeeJayInphinity has a different opinion on what natural is

Because people are bigot asses. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being homosexual.

Live and let live.

Homosexuals have the right to happiness too. They're not hurting anyone and some homosexual couples I've seen treat each other better then straight couples do. Many homosexual couples even make better parents then straight couples. They help so much by adopting children that need homes and love.

_Marisa_

Exactly

And for those who believe you aren't born with it, you are. _Marisa_

Proof? No? Okay.