wtf, victim of burglary got jailed, while THE BURGLAR got away!

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#1 Syaz1
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damn, what's happening to upholding justice. nowdays, it seems that the law exists only for guilty people to find loopholes that leads to the victim to actually be punished. it seems the law is now all technicality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235782/Millionaire-Munir-Hussain-fought-knife-wielding-burglar-jailed-intruder-let-off.html

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lol score one for the good guys!

/sarcasm

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epic phail :lol:

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#4 unholymight
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All the more reason to become a criminal.
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#5 HoolaHoopMan
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How in the hell did this happen? The guys tied up his family and threatened to kill them. And he gets Jail time for beating one of them? Wow....just wow.
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This world needs to end.

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#7 Dark__Link
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He chased him out of the house, and fractured the guy's skull in the front yard, while he was on the ground...
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#9 RearNakedChoke
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It was a revenge beating, that's how the law works. If your well being is not endangered, you don't have the right to beat someone, even if they have it coming.

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#10 unholymight
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It was a revenge beating, that's how the law works. If your well being is not endangered, you don't have the right to beat someone, even if they have it coming.

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Next time I commit a crime I'll be sure to bring my helmet and get a good revenge beating so I don't get penalized.
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#11 tormentor313
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but cant you kill someone if they come onto your property?
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#12 weezyfb
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a man has a right to defend his family that is terrible situation. its one thing to go through the horror of being tied up and robbed now jail?
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#13 Benevolentbob
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This is beyond ridiculous, the judge's reasoning for imprisoning the victim is that breaking the law is breaking the law no matter what, and if we start making exceptions now government could lose control in the long run. For those of you who remember Socrates made the same argument for not trying to escape when he was sentenced to death for "corrupting the youth", and if you apply it evenly to everyone equally it does make sense on some level. However, the fact that he imprisoned this man but not the attacker is just plain idiotic. What happened to the concept of no exceptions that you used against the victim? The fact that this guy suffered serious injuries does not excuse the fact that he tied down a family detaining them and attempted to rob them. The robber should certainly be imprisoned as well.
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#14 psychobrew
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What's up with the laws in Britain? This reminds me of the guy who put up barbed wire to keep a compulsive theif from stealing his tools over and over again, only the thief got injurred on it and the property owner was forced to take it down by the local government.
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Pathetic.
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#16 cd_rom
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His lawyer is so fired.
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Castle laws should be universal.

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This is why we need Robocop.
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#19 binpink
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but cant you kill someone if they come onto your property? tormentor313

No, definitely not.

And in this case I think it's more important to focus on the victim being jailed instead of the criminal not being jailed. How do you throw someone with serious brain damage into prison? You just can't. He got his, and worse in some ways, so no need to fret about him roaming free.

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#20 Chojuto
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I think we need a law that states that if someone ties you up and threatens to kill you, giving him brain damage should be legal.
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#21 cd_rom
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I think we need a law that states that if someone ties you up and threatens to kill you, giving him brain damage should be legal. Chojuto
I would have assumed that would fall under the "self defense" portions of the law.
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#22 binpink
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[QUOTE="Chojuto"]I think we need a law that states that if someone ties you up and threatens to kill you, giving him brain damage should be legal. cd_rom
I would have assumed that would fall under the "self defense" portions of the law.

I think it would have, had the victim not chased the burglar down.

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#23 Chojuto
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[QUOTE="cd_rom"][QUOTE="Chojuto"]I think we need a law that states that if someone ties you up and threatens to kill you, giving him brain damage should be legal. binpink

I would have assumed that would fall under the "self defense" portions of the law.

I think it would have, had the victim not chased the burglar down.

Oh oops I skimmed through the story, missed that part. Well that really changes my understanding of the situation.
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#24 Marka1700
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He is in jail becuse the line between self defense and excessive force was crossed.

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#25 RedDraco66
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"The 2008 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act sets out the terms on which people might 'use no more force than absolutely necessary' against criminals." Busting his head open in the front yard was completely necessary.......with a hockey stick.....i mean...cmon...
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#27 dracos9000
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In Texas you can beat the living crap out of a person in self defense they will take you in but only to do some paperwork and then off you go free. My friend beat the crap out of some kid who attacked him and his parents at walmart he dented the guys skull with his fists and only had to do some paperwork and I think spend one night in jail since it was self defense.

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#28 GabuEx
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By the time the defendant carried out the attack in question, the victim was in a very compromised state and posed no imminent threat to anyone. Given the circumstances, I can't exactly find the judge's ruling completely illogical. Beating a defenseless man with a metal pole and a cricket bat hard enough that they suffer a fractured skull and brain damage is not self-defense.

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#29 Blue-Sky
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You either jail the victim or let the burglar go free, but to do both defeats the purpose of the other.

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#30 seabiscuit8686
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but cant you kill someone if they come onto your property? tormentor313
In the US, yes. Even if the person is walking away, you can shoot them right in the back with no repercussions. In the US we have the (correct) philosophy of, you can do whatever is necessary to defend your home.
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"Mr Hussain and his brother then beat Salem while he lay on the ground, using a cricket bat, a pole and a hockey stick - leaving him with a fractured skull and brain damage following the 'sustained' attack."

Yup, that'd explain it.

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"Mr Hussain and his brother then beat Salem while he lay on the ground, using a cricket bat, a pole and a hockey stick - leaving him with a fractured skull and brain damage following the 'sustained' attack."

Yup, that'd explain it.

_BlueDuck_

My thoughts. Really even if they killed him in the house by some quick action I wouldn't mind but clearly they knew that the guy was damaged enough after perhaps a few whacks.

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#33 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="tormentor313"]but cant you kill someone if they come onto your property? seabiscuit8686
In the US, yes. Even if the person is walking away, you can shoot them right in the back with no repercussions. In the US we have the (correct) philosophy of, you can do whatever is necessary to defend your home.

And also what is unnecessary, apparently. :P

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#34 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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[QUOTE="tormentor313"]but cant you kill someone if they come onto your property? seabiscuit8686
In the US, yes. Even if the person is walking away, you can shoot them right in the back with no repercussions. In the US we have the (correct) philosophy of, you can do whatever is necessary to defend your home.

Not quite. That may be the case in a few states, but some require you to warn the criminal, and others only allow you to forcefully defend your home if they are entering your house... like you couldn't shoot the mailman in your front yard just because you don't want him to bring you your bills.
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#35 Kenny789
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He threatened to kill his family! I probably would've gone ape **** on the criminal as well. If he got jailed then the criminal should be jailed too!
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#36 RearNakedChoke
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[QUOTE="tormentor313"]but cant you kill someone if they come onto your property? seabiscuit8686
In the US, yes. Even if the person is walking away, you can shoot them right in the back with no repercussions. In the US we have the (correct) philosophy of, you can do whatever is necessary to defend your home.

That's only true in a few states.

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#37 dave123321
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A line was crossed that made it go beyond self defense so he should be expected to be punished for his actions . It is unfortunate but a fair ruling .
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#38 shoot-first
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That judge is an idiot. I hope he dies in a fire.

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#39 Syaz1
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so, ok, the victim did mess up, but then again, jail is too harsh, they should've been given psychological therapy or something, they attacked the burglar out of anger because he was victimised. i hate rules that are too technical, it's just there to be exploited by criminals. what is most ridiculous is that the actual criminal got away just like that. is that how you discourage crime? now criminals just have to put the victims in the situation where they will be found guilty, and they're set free to do whatever they like, without any consequences. in my country, when a woman's bag got snatched by a snatch thief, bystanders (though not at all times of course) are quick to stop that snatch thief, and once he falls off his bike, people will start beating him up like mad, and the next day they're a hero in the newspaper headlines. that's how you discourage criminals, not some through some bullshat technical-bounded rules. i almost have this principle that when you take someone's right away, your rights are automatically invalid, so in my view, the burglar took the rights of the victims, so in return he has no rights, therefore justice is not applicable to him.

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#40 Darkman2007
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so my question is: why am I studying in University for?, it seems likes its easier and safer to become a criminal

what a joke and shame to let criminals have the upper hand in a court of law, while the law abiding citizen is punished

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#41 horgen  Moderator
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Funny how the criminal got away actually. I mean I thought he would also get some time in jail for breaking into their house and threaten to kill them. Which last time I heard wasn't legal in UK. But as it is now, the law seems to be on the criminal's side when breaking into someone.
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#42 RearNakedChoke
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Permanent brain injury isn't exactly getting off scott free.

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#43 mikegtfc
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I agree he crossed the line when the beat him on the ground, but that doesn't mean he deserves jail. This guy was tied up and robbed which must have been immensely traumatic.
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#44 Miroku32
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This world is getting worst each day, now it seems that the criminals have the law for help them and the guys they attack are jailed if they attack the criminals. Incredible.
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#45 GettingTired
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Not surprised. In America, you don't need to get beat to get away with crimes, just be a cop or have family in the police force http://www.philly.com/philly/news/79288022.html?page=1&c=y You can do whatever you want then.
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#46 Big_Bad_Sad
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Chasing him out of the house is fine. Beating him with bats outside while he is on the floor is not. He got what he deserved.
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#47 yellerbelly
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I would just like to point out to the people who have claimed that jailed individual is innocent - he isn't. That's why he's in jail. Yes, it was terrible crime perpetrated aganst him and I understand why he did what he did. But the fact remains that once he and his family were out of danger he exacted a revenge attack so brutal it left the intruder with permanent brain damage so bad the court deemed he was unfit to even enter a plea. Also, I'm not sure what condition the intruder is in now, but it's always possible that a jail sentence is not suitable for him. He may need round the clock care and that would stretch our already overburdened jail system.
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#48 bsman00
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[QUOTE="Syaz1"]

damn, what's happening to upholding justice. nowdays, it seems that the law exists only for guilty people to find loopholes that leads to the victim to actually be punished. it seems the law is now all technicality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235782/Millionaire-Munir-Hussain-fought-knife-wielding-burglar-jailed-intruder-let-off.html

Were did the logic go?
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Funny how the criminal got away actually. I mean I thought he would also get some time in jail for breaking into their house and threaten to kill them. Which last time I heard wasn't legal in UK. But as it is now, the law seems to be on the criminal's side when breaking into someone. horgen123
Generally UK laws side with the criminals. Criminals are victims in the British Governments eyes.. "Oh, they've had a bad life", "oh they grew up poor in a bad estate" it's stupid. But in the case of this story they went abit overboard in beating the guy.. the Courts however should be abit lenient because of the situation.
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did you read the article? Mr Hussain made a break for freedom by throwing a coffee table at his attackers. He and Tokeer chased the gang and brought Salem to the ground in a front garden. Reading Crown Court heard how Mr Hussain and his brother then beat Salem while he lay on the ground, using a cricket bat, a pole and a hockey stick - leaving him with a fractured skull and brain damage following the 'sustained' attack.