Yasiin Bey aka Mos Defforce-fed under standard Guantanamo Bay procedure video

Definitely not a neo-con.  Not that you know what a neo-con is...

PC_gamer4life

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Definitely not a neo-con.  Not that you know what a neo-con is...

comp_atkins

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[QUOTE="m25105"] I already wrote that they should be tried. That's a solution, why the hell do you think they're hungerstriking they've been imprisoned for over a decade and still haven't even been charged. And when cases like Murat Kurnaz shows that they've been kept in gitmo despite knowing that they're innocent for over 5 years then we got a problem. Gitmo should be taken down and the remaining prisoners should be tried in front of a judge.BossPerson

They're not entitled to due process.

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They're not entitled to due process.

PC_gamer4life

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]It's possible for someone to have been arrested for terrorism or militantism without actually having done what they're accused of. BossPerson

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]It's possible for someone to have been arrested for terrorism or militantism without actually having done what they're accused of. BossPerson

It's a moronic question.  Do we not bomb a city because there may be some "innocent civilians" in there?  Do you empty out an entire prison because there may be some wrongfully convicted individuals in there?  Do we waive a quarantine on an infected area because some people may not be infected with whatever disease we're afraid is spreading?  Don't be such a fool.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]No, but what if there are, which isn't exactly out of the question. BossPerson

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Definitely not a neo-con.  Not that you know what a neo-con is...

comp_atkins

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]No, but what if there are, which isn't exactly out of the question. BossPerson

It's a moronic question.  Do we not bomb a city because there may be some "innocent civilians" in there?  Do you empty out an entire prison because there may be some wrongfully convicted individuals in there?  Do we waive a quarantine on an infected area because some people may not be infected with whatever disease we're afraid is spreading?  Don't be such a fool.

PC_gamer4life

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]

Definitely not a neo-con.  Not that you know what a neo-con is...

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] whose alt is this?BossPerson

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] whose alt is this?BossPerson

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]

It's a moronic question.  Do we not bomb a city because there may be some "innocent civilians" in there?  Do you empty out an entire prison because there may be some wrongfully convicted individuals in there?  Do we waive a quarantine on an infected area because some people may not be infected with whatever disease we're afraid is spreading?  Don't be such a fool.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]

It's a moronic question.  Do we not bomb a city because there may be some "innocent civilians" in there?  Do you empty out an entire prison because there may be some wrongfully convicted individuals in there?  Do we waive a quarantine on an infected area because some people may not be infected with whatever disease we're afraid is spreading?  Don't be such a fool.

PC_gamer4life

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]

It's a moronic question.  Do we not bomb a city because there may be some "innocent civilians" in there?  Do you empty out an entire prison because there may be some wrongfully convicted individuals in there?  Do we waive a quarantine on an infected area because some people may not be infected with whatever disease we're afraid is spreading?  Don't be such a fool.

PC_gamer4life

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]And don't you believe rights are given by God? The right to trial/justice apparently is not one of those rights? BossPerson

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]I didn't even say close Gitmo down, I said process the people who are there. BossPerson

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Might as well start from the source and just exterminate Arab Muslims/ Pakstanis en masse LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Nice attempt at pretending that's my view! PC_gamer4life

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Might as well start from the source and just exterminate Arab Muslims/ Pakstanis en masse BossPerson

I watched the video. That's horrific. Imagine that being a real force feeding. His screams to stop would have been ignored.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

then make a thread about that. Not about the fact that prisoners on hunger strike are force fed to keep them from dying

lostrib

then make the thread about unlawful detention, gitmo, etc.  Not about them feeding prisoners to prevent starving

Don't have to. It's pretty obvious you guys are being intentionally obtuse. 

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Fine alright, the non-Muslim ones can stayBossPerson

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Actually no, you are simply applying ww2 military policies. I guess it's convenient for you then that the entire world is a battlefield now BossPerson

Don't you get it, BossPerson?  It's leftists like yourself, in the aggregate, that are to blame for how wars are prosecuted in a sort of half-assed manner.  You cry about imaginary "innocents" at Guantanamo, about little Mohamad and Fatima that got killed by a drone, but you don't realize that this is inevitable in a war, and especially inevitable when the nature of the enemy is to embed itself with so-called "civilians" in order to have photographs of dead Muslim children to send to the BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, which you then consume to fuel your artificial outrage.  And here we are....

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] It's just strawman after strawman with you. And these traditions and customs of war didn't end in WWII, moreover they are timeless and supremely relevant today. The sad truth is, of course, that the political will to effectively prosecute wars has been lost in the West, which is why we have the world's foremost military force (along with many of her allies) entrenched in conflict with Trashcanistan for over a decade. Why? Because we're not willing to lean heavily enough on our enemies and destroy them... because of the same people that cry crocodile tears over imaginary "rights" that being denied to these Mohamedan terrorists in Gitmo.PC_gamer4life

And btw, I think you are very intelligent, but a little bit "evil" if you will.

The difference between me and you is not one of understanding or a lack of understanding of certain events/issues/concepts, but simply, it's a difference of values. Within your set of values, everything you advocate for is purely logical. Although with mine, 90% of what you advocate for is very inhumane.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Alright, tell me then in a nutshell how the US should have dealt with Iraq and Afghanistan And don't just say "Do whatever it takes to make the enemy unable to engage in further warfare" BossPerson

Better than them dying.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] Why can't I say that? What was necessary was to destroy the enemy's ability to conduct further belligerence (through war, or more likely, through terrorism). We don't go to wars to win, anymore. And that's why they drag on forever, largely because of the political calculations of politicians worried about voters like you who cry crocodile tears over the well-being of our enemies rather than what should be your own co-nationals.PC_gamer4life

And btw, I think you are very intelligent, but a little bit "evil" if you will.

The difference between me and you is not one of understanding or a lack of understanding of certain events/issues/concepts, but simply, it's a difference of values. Within your set of values, everything you advocate for is purely logical. Although with mine, 90% of what you advocate for is very inhumane.

BossPerson

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]I'm more concerned about what you think the actual objective was in Iraq and who was the enemy. You can't seriously think that it's sensible to walk into a war just for the sake of winning it. And you also don't seem to realize that you just painted the path to victory in Iraq as just destroying the insurgency, but you seem to not know what the insurgency was a natural reaction to the US occupation there. BossPerson

anyways, Ill pick up this "conversation" later and btw, the reason Japan and Germany didn't have an insrugency after US occupation is because most of the violence stopped after the US occupied. BossPerson

Better than them dying.

airshocker

I disagree. Let 'em starve.PC_gamer4life

You can disagree all you want. Still makes letting them starve an extremely bad idea, both politically and morally.

This country has lost its moral authority, Gitmo isn't helping that but having prisoners die because they starve to death would be even worse.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]I disagree. Let 'em starve.airshocker

You can disagree all you want. Still makes letting them starve an extremely bad idea, both politically and morally.

This country has lost its moral authority, Gitmo isn't helping that but having prisoners die because they starve to death would be even worse.