Yasiin Bey aka Mos Defforce-fed under standard Guantanamo Bay procedure video

They're voluntarily starving themselves. And for the USA to play into the political gamesmanship of her enemies, as you put it, "it's bad idea politically", is to show further weakness. Personally, I don't have a strong opinion. I was being hyperbolic earlier, but I do think that these prisoners are treated way too softly and should have executed long ago after conviction by a military court.PC_gamer4life

We can't stop playing it. It's naive to think we can.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]They're voluntarily starving themselves. And for the USA to play into the political gamesmanship of her enemies, as you put it, "it's bad idea politically", is to show further weakness. Personally, I don't have a strong opinion. I was being hyperbolic earlier, but I do think that these prisoners are treated way too softly and should have executed long ago after conviction by a military court.airshocker

We can't stop playing it. It's naive to think we can.

It's naive to think the American political leadership should bow to the pressures from the New York Times and Al-Jazeera.PC_gamer4life

We're not bowing to either of those organizations. We're bowing to public opinion, which has been happening since governments came into existence.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]It's naive to think the American political leadership should bow to the pressures from the New York Times and Al-Jazeera.airshocker

We're not bowing to either of those organizations. We're bowing to public opinion, which has been happening since governments came into existence.

There's a duality at play, here. Sometimes the government must follow the will of the people, other times it must lead. Much of the Guantanamo Bay "issue" is an example of the American government (unsurprisingly under socialist Obama) bowing to pressure from the domestic and international left, as well as other enemies of America. This is why these terrorists have access to gold-plated American medical, optical, and dental care. This is why they have exercise equipment shipped in for their benefit (manufactured in "Islamic nations"). This is why their Islamic dietary desires are indulged. And on, and on, and on.PC_gamer4life

The same military policies would have existed in a republican administration. Don't play games with me, I'm been around here for awhile.

The military would do the same exact thing under President Bush.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]There's a duality at play, here. Sometimes the government must follow the will of the people, other times it must lead. Much of the Guantanamo Bay "issue" is an example of the American government (unsurprisingly under socialist Obama) bowing to pressure from the domestic and international left, as well as other enemies of America. This is why these terrorists have access to gold-plated American medical, optical, and dental care. This is why they have exercise equipment shipped in for their benefit (manufactured in "Islamic nations"). This is why their Islamic dietary desires are indulged. And on, and on, and on.airshocker

The same military policies would have existed in a republican administration. Don't play games with me, I'm been around here for awhile.

The military would do the same exact thing under President Bush.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yes. But that also doesn't mean Gitmo is filled with innocents does it?PC_gamer4life

They can and they did. I agree. It was wrong under Bush, as well. I am not partisan.PC_gamer4life

You are, or at the very least you came off that way. You just said this was all drummed up by radical liberals when that isn't the case. Bush wasn't a radial liberal.

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]No, but what if there are, which isn't exactly out of the question. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]They can and they did. I agree. It was wrong under Bush, as well. I am not partisan.airshocker

You are, or at the very least you came off that way. You just said this was all drummed up by radical liberals when that isn't the case. Bush wasn't a radial liberal.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"] So you wanna burn down the whole system because of inevitable imperfections? Ever hear of the phrase, "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good?". Apparently not.PC_gamer4life

Don't you get it, BossPerson?  It's leftists like yourself, in the aggregate, that are to blame for how wars are prosecuted in a sort of half-assed manner.  You cry about imaginary "innocents" at Guantanamo, about little Mohamad and Fatima that got killed by a drone, but you don't realize that this is inevitable in a war, and especially inevitable when the nature of the enemy is to embed itself with so-called "civilians" in order to have photographs of dead Muslim children to send to the BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, which you then consume to fuel your artificial outrage.  And here we are....

PC_gamer4life

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]

Don't you get it, BossPerson?  It's leftists like yourself, in the aggregate, that are to blame for how wars are prosecuted in a sort of half-assed manner.  You cry about imaginary "innocents" at Guantanamo, about little Mohamad and Fatima that got killed by a drone, but you don't realize that this is inevitable in a war, and especially inevitable when the nature of the enemy is to embed itself with so-called "civilians" in order to have photographs of dead Muslim children to send to the BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, which you then consume to fuel your artificial outrage.  And here we are....

HoolaHoopMan

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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

Force feeding vs starving to death

 

Which one is worse?

Blue-Sky

The real discussion is why are only those two options available?

because it's just that awesome

Man how do those Gitmo soldiers/guards live with themselves?

Man how do those Gitmo soldiers/guards live with themselves?

NoSpeakyEnglish

Man how do those Gitmo soldiers/guards live with themselves?

NoSpeakyEnglish

[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"]

Man how do those Gitmo soldiers/guards live with themselves?

LJS9502_basic

What an over dramatic phony.

Here are a couple examples of how real people react to NG tube insertions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXzE6-PG-H4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJIFOCbPTjo

[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"]

Man how do those Gitmo soldiers/guards live with themselves?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]You can't seriously think that it's sensible to walk into a war just for the sake of winning it.PRNPmutagen_PrP

[QUOTE="PC_gamer4life"]

Don't you get it, BossPerson?  It's leftists like yourself, in the aggregate, that are to blame for how wars are prosecuted in a sort of half-assed manner.  You cry about imaginary "innocents" at Guantanamo, about little Mohamad and Fatima that got killed by a drone, but you don't realize that this is inevitable in a war, and especially inevitable when the nature of the enemy is to embed itself with so-called "civilians" in order to have photographs of dead Muslim children to send to the BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, which you then consume to fuel your artificial outrage.  And here we are....

HoolaHoopMan

What an over dramatic phony.

Here are a couple examples of how real people react to NG tube insertions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXzE6-PG-H4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJIFOCbPTjo

DJ419

that was the face i made when i watched the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.

This is ridiculous. They are being forced to eat... Humans love drama and are such "divas". I am happy to see that they suffer like that by being FED FOOD. If they want to be drama queens, let them experience drama.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"]

Man how do those Gitmo soldiers/guards live with themselves?

NoSpeakyEnglish

I didn't know you where there when they were originally captured. Do you wish to tell us what they were doing if they were not doing what caused them to be captured and detained for? 

It's a moronic question.  Do we not bomb a city because there may be some "innocent civilians" in there?  Do you empty out an entire prison because there may be some wrongfully convicted individuals in there?  Do we waive a quarantine on an infected area because some people may not be infected with whatever disease we're afraid is spreading?  Don't be such a fool.

PC_gamer4life

I'll give it.....em.....one month before gamer4life is banned.

This dramatization of "torture" done to detainees who willingly submit themselves to this by a well-known actor/rapper who chooses to willingly submit himself to the same really doesn't mean anything. A stunt like this is proof that this is actually NOT torture. If this is video is to be belived, then all the doctors who have to intubate patients on a daily basis should be thrown in jail. Or maybe they should just let the f*ckers die of starvation. No one would know or give a f*ck anyway.PRNPmutagen_PrP

Don't care what an irrelevant rapper does.EagleEyedOne

Just for playmynutz.

Just for playmynutz.

WhiteKnight77

The real outrage, in my opinion, is that these people have been held indefinitely without due process. mattbbpl

Explain the Germans and Japanese we took captive during WWII then. Not one of them were given a trial and many Germans were sent to the US mainland and others to Canada. 

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]The real outrage, in my opinion, is that these people have been held indefinitely without due process. WhiteKnight77

Explain the Germans and Japanese we took captive during WWII then. Not one of them were given a trial and many Germans were sent to the US mainland and others to Canada. 

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Explain the Germans and Japanese we took captive during WWII then. Not one of them were given a trial and many Germans were sent to the US mainland and others to Canada. 

HoolaHoopMan

Is there much difference? I can't see any. Both have taken up arms against an enemy that they declared war with.