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#51 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="Bandit_Haze"]

i've picked 3 articles, but there are loads you can read through,. none of these are anybodies opinion, they all based on facts HOWEVER, its upto YOU to verify those facts

some of the articles are quite long, but you're just gonna have to accept that if you want proof, you're just gonna have to do some reading, and thinking.. btw, it don't matter too much which order you read em in

article 1

Decessus

How does a recurring theme of the number 19 prove that God exists?

It doesn't, he's just taking coincidence as proof.

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This reminds me of something delightful! [Quote="Douglas Adams"]"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It proves you exist, and so therefore, you don't. Q.E.D.." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

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#53 The_Tombo
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[QUOTE="The_Tombo"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="The_Tombo"]

WHAHA this guy burned himself...

Teh bible states that God does not show evidence or "proof" of his existence.. And seeing as god is all powerfull that would mean that there should be no proof.. So if there is proof that means that god does not exist.. because god does not show proof. :P

(i believe btw)

The_Ish

He is citing sources from the Qu'ran.

no matter.. bible is truth.. in the eyes of the faithfull

don't let the TC hear that, it goes against his faith. :lol:

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This reminds me of something delightful! [Quote="Douglas Adams"]"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It proves you exist, and so therefore, you don't. Q.E.D.." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. Mumbles527

hitchhikers guide to the galaxy :) MAGIC DUDE... (had that in mind during my post :P)

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#55 scary_snake
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you can't make me believe in god so you so fail
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[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

And the Qur'an is?
The_Ish

false, according to the bible

this is one of the problems between these religions

Fact: The Qur'an offers a retelling of many of the narratives, teachings, and poetry found in the Bible. Events and figures are similar between the two, mainly due to the reason that they are said to come from the same divine source. Both are regarded as guides, with similar perspectives on right and wrong.
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#57 EboyLOL
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There is no God, because he let Stevie Ray Vaughan die. If there was a God, he wouldn't have killed such a talented guitarist so young. I know there are many people that have been killed way to young, but this is who I chose for this example:Pmetallica_fan42
He must of chose him because he thought "damn, this guy's awesome. I gotta get him up to heaven man!". There's no other explanation for SRV dying and Yngwie Malmsteen living.
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#58 SouL-Tak3R
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You cannot prove the existence of GOD.
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#59 NWA_31
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How can you prove the existance of something fictional with a bunch of numbers ? :?
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#60 Decessus
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You cannot prove the existence of GOD.SouL-Tak3R

Sure you can. I'd be pretty convinced of God's existence if a mountain suddenly turned into a squirrel.

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#61 luke1889
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You can use numbers to prove anything though. :roll:

I'd imagine that something such as a deity would require something a bit more divine than some fancy maths to validate its existence.

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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

And the Qur'an is?
MoldOnHold

false, according to the bible

this is one of the problems between these religions

Fact: The Qur'an offers a retelling of many of the narratives, teachings, and poetry found in the Bible. Events and figures are similar between the two, mainly due to the reason that they are said to come from the same divine source. Both are regarded as guides, with similar perspectives on right and wrong.

Fact: The Bible claims thats Jesus was Gods son.

Fact: The Qu'ran claims otherwise.

The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible on one of it's key teachings, despite what it may retell.

Fact: The Bible's teachings and stories do not allow for the creation of Islam or it's Prophet, Mohammed.

So, in conclusion, we can say;

Fact: The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible, while the Bible claims the Qu'ran is false.

There it is. :|

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[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]You cannot prove the existence of GOD.Decessus

Sure you can. I'd be pretty convinced of God's existence if a mountain suddenly turned into a squirrel.

Well, I would just think I'm going crazy at that point.

Even if God came down from a giant stairway of clouds I would have a hard time believing it.

I would look down at the brownie in my hand and start digging for the drugs someone probably snuck in it.

But still, thats not proving there is a God.

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#64 _LiquidFlame_
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I'm sorry, I really believe you, it's just I don't want to read all that. Maybe some other time... :|
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

And the Qur'an is?
MoldOnHold

false, according to the bible

this is one of the problems between these religions

Fact: The Qur'an offers a retelling of many of the narratives, teachings, and poetry found in the Bible. Events and figures are similar between the two, mainly due to the reason that they are said to come from the same divine source. Both are regarded as guides, with similar perspectives on right and wrong.

Wrong.TheQur'anspecificallysaysthatanyonewhosaysthatJesusisthesonofGodisaliar.Therefore,Islamdonotbelieve

inJesus,andthereforetheBibleandQur'anareentirelydifferent.AlsothefactthattheQur'anwaswrittenseveralcenturiesafter

theBibledoesn'thelpeither.

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[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

And the Qur'an is?
JadedEagle04

false, according to the bible

this is one of the problems between these religions

Fact: The Qur'an offers a retelling of many of the narratives, teachings, and poetry found in the Bible. Events and figures are similar between the two, mainly due to the reason that they are said to come from the same divine source. Both are regarded as guides, with similar perspectives on right and wrong.

Wrong.TheQur'anspecificallysaysthatanyonewhosaysthatJesusisthesonofGodisaliar.Therefore,Islamdonotbelieve

inJesus,andthereforetheBibleandQur'anareentirelydifferent.AlsothefactthattheQur'anwaswrittenseveralcenturiesafter

theBibledoesn'thelpeither.

s p a c e b a r. ;)

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#67 mark4091
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A way to prove god would be for him to show his damn face and smite some people.

******* *****.

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#68 The_Ish
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s p a c e b a r. ;)

cold_skull

It's a well known glitch on gamespot that causes your browser to group the words together, don't blame him.

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Ahh....no.
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#70 crusher2002000
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u can't prove there is one and u can't prove there isn't

/thread

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I can't prove or disprove god, but its just that divine sense inside me that just keeps me beleiving.

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#73 GD-1369211121
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I dont need proof because Im not going to believe a lie. Shade-Blade
Well then, can you PROVE that God is a lie?
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[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]

u can't prove there is one and u can't prove there isn't

/thread

Mumbles527

No reason to prove there isn't, burden of proof is on the crazy religious folk.

True that. The burden of proof for any claim is on the claimant. Always has been, always will be. We've no need to disprove anything.

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#75 GD-1369211121
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I can't prove or disprove god, but its just that divine sense inside me that just keeps me beleiving.

antonius05
same here
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#76 luke1889
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[QUOTE="Shade-Blade"]I dont need proof because Im not going to believe a lie. GD-1369211121
Well then, can you PROVE that God is a lie?

See my previous post...

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As soon as I saw Quran and fact together, I just closed the window...
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[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

And the Qur'an is?
The_Ish

false, according to the bible

this is one of the problems between these religions

Fact: The Qur'an offers a retelling of many of the narratives, teachings, and poetry found in the Bible. Events and figures are similar between the two, mainly due to the reason that they are said to come from the same divine source. Both are regarded as guides, with similar perspectives on right and wrong.

Fact: The Bible claims thats Jesus was Gods son.

Fact: The Qu'ran claims otherwise.

The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible on one of it's key teachings, despite what it may retell.

Fact: The Bible's teachings and stories do not allow for the creation of Islam or it's Prophet, Mohammed.

So, in conclusion, we can say;

Fact: The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible, while the Bible claims the Qu'ran is false.

There it is. :|

I have never said that both of them are exactly the same. :| In fact, there are some narratives and teachings in the Bible that are glossed over in the Qur'an, and it mentions things that were never mentioned in the Bible. The stories in the Qur'an often contain few details and tend to concentrate more on the moral or spiritual significance of the story, while the Bible generally does the opposite.

The point I'm getting to is that the morals and values are reflected upon both, and there are many similarities in the appearance of figures and events that many fail to recognize.

So no, they aren't the same book retold again, but they are rather similar.
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I'm not Islamic, so. . .
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theres more than one way to do it, thats up to you find those,..

but if you're not willing to read through it, then you lose the right to say "you can't prove god" until you can disprove my resentation, you lose that right, and the fact is, u cant disprove it, until you know what you're trying to disprove, i.e. you gotta read through it

Bandit_Haze

Can you verify it? I'd think before you believe in a supreme being and devote your life to him/her, you'd like to confirm yourself that this being truly does exist. Don't believe an article, verify the facts yourself. There was one article like this a couple days ago. It was disproved pretty easily.

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#81 Big_player
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i stopped reading when it said it was impossible for a human to do math involving 19:|
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Your ''proof'' is horrible... utter crap
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I have never said that both of them are exactly the same. :| In fact, there are some narratives and teachings in the Bible that are glossed over in the Qur'an, and it mentions things that were never mentioned in the Bible. The stories in the Qur'an often contain few details and tend to concentrate more on the moral or spiritual significance of the story, while the Bible generally does the opposite.

The point I'm getting to is that the morals and values are reflected upon both, and there are many similarities in the appearance of figures and events that many fail to recognize.

So no, they aren't the same book retold again, but they are rather similar.
MoldOnHold

did you ever stop to think that the reason they are similar is because the qu'ran was inspired by the bible?
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

And the Qur'an is?
MoldOnHold

false, according to the bible

this is one of the problems between these religions

Fact: The Qur'an offers a retelling of many of the narratives, teachings, and poetry found in the Bible. Events and figures are similar between the two, mainly due to the reason that they are said to come from the same divine source. Both are regarded as guides, with similar perspectives on right and wrong.

Fact: The Bible claims thats Jesus was Gods son.

Fact: The Qu'ran claims otherwise.

The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible on one of it's key teachings, despite what it may retell.

Fact: The Bible's teachings and stories do not allow for the creation of Islam or it's Prophet, Mohammed.

So, in conclusion, we can say;

Fact: The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible, while the Bible claims the Qu'ran is false.

There it is. :|

I have never said that both of them are exactly the same. :| In fact, there are some narratives and teachings in the Bible that are glossed over in the Qur'an, and it mentions things that were never mentioned in the Bible. The stories in the Qur'an often contain few details and tend to concentrate more on the moral or spiritual significance of the story, while the Bible generally does the opposite.

The point I'm getting to is that the morals and values are reflected upon both, and there are many similarities in the appearance of figures and events that many fail to recognize.

So no, they aren't the same book retold again, but they are rather similar.

If that was you're point, then it does nothing to disprove that they still contradict each other.

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Oh my God...

You know what? Halo also has the number 7 alot! I mean...Master Chief John 117! There's a character named 343 Guily Spark, 343/49= 7! There are 7 Halos! Halo scored 9.7 on Gamespot! You can pre-order Halo 3 at 7-11s! It's all there that is undeniable proof that God has endorsed Halo 3!

Really though, thats not undeniable proof that God wrote Quran. If the Quran was written by one man he could have easily included it in the texts. Even if he didn't, the Quran today probably has been edited from its original version, hell someone may have edited it to include the 19s.

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#86 Decessus
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This doesn't happen very often, but I am forced to admit that I was wrong. Bandit_Haze may just be onto something with his findings about the Quran. Let me demonstrate:

Barack Obama was born on August 4th, 1961.

Barack Obama is running for the presidential election. Let's take a look at the word election.

ELECTION. If we add up the values of the letters that represent roman numerals we get a total of 151.

L = 50

C = 100

I = 1

Next add the individual digits: 1 + 5 + 1 = 7

Subtract 7 from Barack Obama's birth year and you get the number 1954. (1961-7 = 1954)

If you implement the above technique to "Democratic Candidate Barack Hvssein Obama" you get the following:

Democratic = 171

Candidate = 1011 (We'll ignore the 0, giving us 111)

Barack = 100

Hvssein = 6 (Remember there is no U in Latin)

Obama = 1000

Add them altogether and you get 1288. Substract 1288 from 1954 and guess what? You get the number 666!! The number of the antichrist. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Barack Obama is in fact the antichrist and that if he becomes President then the end times will be upon us all.

[spoiler] This is sarcasm... just in case you didn't pick up on it. 8) [/spoiler]

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#87 The_Ish
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Oh my God...

You know what? Halo also has the number 7 alot! I mean...Master Chief John 117! There's a character named 343 Guily Spark, 343/49= 7! There are 7 Halos! Halo scored 9.7 on Gamespot! You can pre-order Halo 3 at 7-11s! It's all there that is undeniable proof that God has endorsed Halo 3!

thirstychainsaw

super win

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If that was you're point, then it does nothing to disprove that they still contradict each other.The_Ish

Have I not just said that they aren't the same? I acknowledged it....

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#89 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If that was you're point, then it does nothing to disprove that they still contradict each other.MoldOnHold

Have I not just said that they aren't the same? I acknowledged it....

Then why try to refute the problem you already acknowledged?

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[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]You cannot prove the existence of GOD.Decessus

Sure you can. I'd be pretty convinced of God's existence if a mountain suddenly turned into a squirrel.

You should view the world with a scientific outlook. Joking aside, if a mountain did turn into a squirrel all you could say would be "for some reason a mountain turned into a squirrel". You can't extrapolate from that that it means there is a god

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#91 The_Ish
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This doesn't happen very often, but I am forced to admit that I was wrong. Bandit_Haze may just be onto something with his findings about the Quran. Let me demonstrate:

Barack Obama was born on August 4th, 1961.

Barack Obama is running for the presidential election. Let's take a look at the word election.

ELECTION. If we add up the values of the letters that represent roman numerals we get a total of 151.

L = 50

C = 100

I = 1

Next add the individual digits: 1 + 5 + 1 = 7

Subtract 7 from Barack Obama's birth year and you get the number 1954. (1961-7 = 1954)

If you implement the above technique to "Democratic Candidate Barack Hvssein Obama" you get the following:

Democratic = 171

Candidate = 1011 (We'll ignore the 0, giving us 111)

Barack = 100

Hvssein = 6 (Remember there is no U in Latin)

Obama = 1000

Add them altogether and you get 1288. Substract 1288 from 1954 and guess what? You get the number 666!! The number of the antichrist. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Barack Obama is in fact the antichrist and that if he becomes President then the end times will be upon us all.

Decessus

sorry, thirstychainsaw, this is super win

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[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]I have never said that both of them are exactly the same. :| In fact, there are some narratives and teachings in the Bible that are glossed over in the Qur'an, and it mentions things that were never mentioned in the Bible. The stories in the Qur'an often contain few details and tend to concentrate more on the moral or spiritual significance of the story, while the Bible generally does the opposite.

The point I'm getting to is that the morals and values are reflected upon both, and there are many similarities in the appearance of figures and events that many fail to recognize.

So no, they aren't the same book retold again, but they are rather similar.
Big_player

did you ever stop to think that the reason they are similar is because the qu'ran was inspired by the bible?

The latter was introduced to improve upon the former so yes, I would guess that some inspiration was involved.
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[QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]You cannot prove the existence of GOD.vitriolboy

Sure you can. I'd be pretty convinced of God's existence if a mountain suddenly turned into a squirrel.

You should view the world with a scientific outlook. Joking aside, if a mountain did turn into a squirrel all you could say would be "for some reason a mountain turned into a squirrel". You can't extrapolate from that that it means there is a god

*grin* In a natural world, mountains don't turn into squirrels.

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[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

If that was you're point, then it does nothing to disprove that they still contradict each other.The_Ish

Have I not just said that they aren't the same? I acknowledged it....

Then why try to refute the problem you already acknowledged?

Once again, you are missing my point.

Have I said that both books are the same? No. Have I said that they don't contradict each other? No.

I'll be going back to the original statement in this discussion. When you pointed out that the Qur'an was false according to the Bible. It is not so. They may offer differing opinions on some matters, but the overall messages and morals taught by the two are similar. There is just a different persceptive of things.
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#95 MoldOnHold
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This doesn't happen very often, but I am forced to admit that I was wrong. Bandit_Haze may just be onto something with his findings about the Quran. Let me demonstrate:

Barack Obama was born on August 4th, 1961.

Barack Obama is running for the presidential election. Let's take a look at the word election.

ELECTION. If we add up the values of the letters that represent roman numerals we get a total of 151.

L = 50

C = 100

I = 1

Next add the individual digits: 1 + 5 + 1 = 7

Subtract 7 from Barack Obama's birth year and you get the number 1954. (1961-7 = 1954)

If you implement the above technique to "Democratic Candidate Barack Hvssein Obama" you get the following:

Democratic = 171

Candidate = 1011 (We'll ignore the 0, giving us 111)

Barack = 100

Hvssein = 6 (Remember there is no U in Latin)

Obama = 1000

Add them altogether and you get 1288. Substract 1288 from 1954 and guess what? You get the number 666!! The number of the antichrist. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Barack Obama is in fact the antichrist and that if he becomes President then the end times will be upon us all.

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That was gold. :lol:
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#96 The_Ish
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I'll be going back to the original statement in this discussion. When you pointed out that the Qur'an was false according to the Bible. It is not so. They may offer differing opinions on some matters, but the overall messages and morals taught by the two are similar. There is just a different persceptive of things.
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But that is where you are wrong, The Bible specifically states that there would no longer be any messages from God before the Apocalypse, so in effect, despite what teachings these two books share, the Bible claims the Qu'ran is false.

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#97 vitriolboy
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[QUOTE="vitriolboy"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]You cannot prove the existence of GOD.Decessus

Sure you can. I'd be pretty convinced of God's existence if a mountain suddenly turned into a squirrel.

You should view the world with a scientific outlook. Joking aside, if a mountain did turn into a squirrel all you could say would be "for some reason a mountain turned into a squirrel". You can't extrapolate from that that it means there is a god

*grin* In a natural world, mountains don't turn into squirrels.

lol, my point was that just because people can't immediately explain some things they make an irrational leap in attributing it to some higher power rather than saying we don't know

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#98 Decessus
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[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="vitriolboy"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]You cannot prove the existence of GOD.vitriolboy

Sure you can. I'd be pretty convinced of God's existence if a mountain suddenly turned into a squirrel.

You should view the world with a scientific outlook. Joking aside, if a mountain did turn into a squirrel all you could say would be "for some reason a mountain turned into a squirrel". You can't extrapolate from that that it means there is a god

*grin* In a natural world, mountains don't turn into squirrels.

lol, my point was that just because people can't immediately explain some things they make an irrational leap in attributing it to some higher power rather than saying we don't know

I know, I completely agree with what you're saying. I was just joking around. :)

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God doesn't do stuff like make mountains into squirrels because that would take away the whole point of having faith in him. if you say a millionairre lives next door and one day the millionaire went to all your friends houses and showed them all his money it would take away the point of believing.
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#100 Loonie
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great numerology and religion, what a wonderful combination.