You want proof of God, heres proof

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#101 caje47
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i aint ignorant

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Now that's irony.

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#102 queenfan66
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Do you really think that I'm going to read all that?Hinata237
i didnt even read all of his post....
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#103 pianist
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lol, numerology.

You can prove God exists with the phone book using that example.

dealjobber

Precisely. This is not proof. This is people trying really hard to find relationships to make something ordinary seem complex. If you look hard enough, you can find coincidental appearances of a number in any lengthy text you want.

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#104 pianist
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God doesn't do stuff like make mountains into squirrels because that would take away the whole point of having faith in him. if you say a millionairre lives next door and one day the millionaire went to all your friends houses and showed them all his money it would take away the point of believing.Half-Life_man

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What is the point in believing someone if they are unwilling to prove their claims? If I told you I had a million dollars, would you believe me? Probably not. If I told you that I am God, and that you must worship me, would you believe? I doubt it. You'd demand I prove myself. Then I'd tell you that demanding I prove myself is blasphemous, and that you must simply believe. But you still wouldn't believe. Do you see why this idea falls apart under scrutiny? Ironically, the only reason you CAN believe in God is that He has been conceptualized and described as being outside of our ability to comprehend, and so can not be disproven. Had He been described in any tangible way (in the way that the Roman or Greek gods were), we would have long given up on the idea that He exists.

Whether they knew for sure or not, your friends would believe that the millionaire had a million dollars - except that in one instance, they would have no reason to believe and in the other they would. Faith demands you believe in a claim which is not proven, and religion demands that you submit your life to a set of principles based on unfounded claims. Slaves are made in such ways.

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#105 ab1205
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i've picked 3 articles, but there are loads you can read through,. none of these are anybodies opinion, they all based on facts HOWEVER, its upto YOU to verify those facts

some of the articles are quite long, but you're just gonna have to accept that if you want proof, you're just gonna have to do some reading, and thinking.. btw, it don't matter too much which order you read em in

article 1

article 2

article 3

Bandit_Haze

You do know that the "mathematical phenomena" in the Koran has been tested and verified and proven to be false, having a margin of error for each result ?

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#106 pianist
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You do know that the "mathematical phenomena" in the Koran has been tested and verified and proven to be false, having a margin of error for each result ?

ab1205

Clearly he doesn't. This thread is the proof.

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#107 ab1205
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[QUOTE="ab1205"]

You do know that the "mathematical phenomena" in the Koran has been tested and verified and proven to be false, having a margin of error for each result ?

pianist

Clearly he doesn't. This thread is the proof.

Yah, that news is old and it's been confirmed long ago that these math things were just made up. They've been tested by muslim scholars themselves

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#108 Timesplitter14
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I read the first one and it was completely ridiculous. It made me hate religion a little bit more. Go watch Zeitgeist, but just listen to the facts they say. (because some of the stuff in that movie is ridiculous too). And I guarantee you'll be ''enlightened''
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#109 cukoo
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I went to the articles you provided and they all mentioned the Quran. Are you using this resource for proof that God exists?I hope not because the Quran is the last place anyone should go for the truth about God. I caught a glimpse of a sentence that said that Jesus is not the unique son of God.Do you really believe this garbage. Jesus is the son of God and the Bible in it's true interpretation clearly states that God is the father, son, and Holy Spirit in one.The Quran has no historical basis unlike the Bible and cannot be proven.
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#110 ab1205
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I went to the articles you provided and they all mentioned the Quran. Are you using this resource for proof that God exists?I hope not because the Quran is the last place anyone should go for the truth about God. I caught a glimpse of a sentence that said that Jesus is not the unique son of God.Do you really believe this garbage. Jesus is the son of God and the Bible in it's true interpretation clearly states that God is the father, son, and Holy Spirit in one.The Quran has no historical basis unlike the Bible and cannot be proven. cukoo

ROFL?

We know Muhammed existed, but do we know Jesus existed?!?!?!?

We actually know Muhammed and his people existed, what historical basis you need? While Christianity is a bunch of Gospels writing about a man named Jesus decades and centuries after him.

Bible can't be proven, Quran can't be proven.

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#111 Devouring_One
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That's way too much to read. What's the significance behind the numbers?
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#112 xXtheabombXx
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I was once an Atheist than I went to Penn State, and found God his name Joe Paterno.
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#113 slinky6
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If there was a God, he would not allow these stupid threads. BOOM! Beat that.
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#114 TERMINAT0R1
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i've picked 3 articles, but there are loads you can read through,. none of these are anybodies opinion, they all based on facts HOWEVER, its upto YOU to verify those facts

some of the articles are quite long, but you're just gonna have to accept that if you want proof, you're just gonna have to do some reading, and thinking.. btw, it don't matter too much which order you read em in

article 1

article 2

article 3

Bandit_Haze

www.godisimaginary.com

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#115 slinky6
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[QUOTE="Bandit_Haze"]

i've picked 3 articles, but there are loads you can read through,. none of these are anybodies opinion, they all based on facts HOWEVER, its upto YOU to verify those facts

some of the articles are quite long, but you're just gonna have to accept that if you want proof, you're just gonna have to do some reading, and thinking.. btw, it don't matter too much which order you read em in

article 1

article 2

article 3

TERMINAT0R1

www.godisimaginary.com

That list is great (and painfully true).
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#116 juesheepluver
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hahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahaha

wow if you actually believe all of that i truly pity you

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#117 slinky6
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Why can't anybody give some actual proof of God? Oh wait, yeah, because he doesn't exist. That really messes up that whole "proof" thing, now doesn't it? I mean: come on! This is the best they can do!
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#118 ppau08223
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hmm nice read but really that doesnt mean that there is god. imagine a terrorist who blows himself up along with a bus load goes straight to heaven and also has 21 young virgins!!

ha how is that possible?!

please dont dont give such stuff or explain to me how these people go to heaven?

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#119 nopalversion
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Faith is almost the opposite to proof. I'm not saying anyone should have blind faith, it's just thatwhere these matters are concerned, we use faith and religion to explain the inexplicable.

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#120 Bandit_Haze
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[QUOTE="Bandit_Haze"]

i've picked 3 articles, but there are loads you can read through,. none of these are anybodies opinion, they all based on facts HOWEVER, its upto YOU to verify those facts

some of the articles are quite long, but you're just gonna have to accept that if you want proof, you're just gonna have to do some reading, and thinking.. btw, it don't matter too much which order you read em in

article 1

article 2

article 3

ab1205

You do know that the "mathematical phenomena" in the Koran has been tested and verified and proven to be false, having a margin of error for each result ?

no i didn't,. why don't you show me some evidence of that

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#121 Hellraiser3899
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I went on gamespot forums to be converted. FACT... well not really.
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#122 MichaeltheCM
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alright then its settled, God exists
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#123 X360PS3AMD05
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Oh noes!! The number 23! :o
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#124 AmnestyErr
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LOL.

godisimaginary.com, that site is wonderful.

THE JUG OF MILK, FTW!!!

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#125 niptuckSean
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LOL.

godisimaginary.com, that site is wonderful.

THE JUG OF MILK, FTW!!!

AmnestyErr

Indubitably.

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#126 lucas_kelly
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I fail to see how that proves that God exists.
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#127 Eggie37
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Thanks for posting those three articles, now I see where I have been going wrong, it's all become suddenly clear. JTWibble
is that sarcasm... i really cant tell... if it is u should always do this...
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#128 Codename33
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i've picked 3 articles, but there are loads you can read through,. none of these are anybodies opinion, they all based on facts HOWEVER, its upto YOU to verify those facts

some of the articles are quite long, but you're just gonna have to accept that if you want proof, you're just gonna have to do some reading, and thinking.. btw, it don't matter too much which order you read em in

article 1

article 2

article 3

Bandit_Haze

...so you're trying to justify God with Gematriya? Even some huge believers of God think that Gematriya is completely pointless.

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#129 dealjobber
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LOL.

godisimaginary.com, that site is wonderful.

THE JUG OF MILK, FTW!!!

AmnestyErr

Have you seen Nick Gisburne's website? It has lots of videos and also has his own things for athiesm.

I'm thinking about buying his book.

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#130 Zagrius
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[QUOTE="Bandit_Haze"]

i've picked 3 articles, but there are loads you can read through,. none of these are anybodies opinion, they all based on facts HOWEVER, its upto YOU to verify those facts

some of the articles are quite long, but you're just gonna have to accept that if you want proof, you're just gonna have to do some reading, and thinking.. btw, it don't matter too much which order you read em in

article 1

article 2

article 3

Codename33

...so you're trying to justify God with Gematriya? Even some huge believers of God think that Gematriya is completely pointless.

Hey man, Gimatrya is what got me 300 shekels a year from my grandmother while my brother only got 90 when we were kids. I wouldn't call that pointless.

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#131 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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I'm sorry, but unless you teach me Arabic and give me a valid copy of the Quran, I can't verify those claims.Zagrius

Great point; so many things are lost in translation.

If you prove the existence of God, you take away the mystery of what lies beyond our own world, and that would make life pretty boring and useless. People who need proof of God, should instead try to develop their belief skills.

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#132 vitriolboy
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ZOMG!!!! I just realised Paul Hardcastle had a number 1 hit all over the world in 1985 with a song called 19!!!!!!!!!
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#133 frizzyman0292
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Do you really think that I'm going to read all that?Hinata237
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#134 error11
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my head just a-sploded from all the words and numbers!
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#135 cold_skull
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[QUOTE="cold_skull"]

s p a c e b a r. ;)

The_Ish

It's a well known glitch on gamespot that causes your browser to group the words together, don't blame him.

oops sorry then

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#136 solidscryer
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I'd read it, if it was short :wink:
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#137 fynne
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I'm sorry, but unless you teach me Arabic and give me a valid copy of the Quran, I can't verify those claims.Zagrius

Good one :D

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#138 tenorio_rotc
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Hey man, your faith in your "God" is weak because for some reason you feel the need to prove what you believe in, and prove it to everyone else. That is weak.
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#139 irelevent
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you know its funny how in every religious thread that comes up, you guys love to go on about how you can't prove god... and now once you get presented with something, you refuse to read through it..

..you wanna call me pathetic, fine go ahead, but at least i know i aint ignorant

Bandit_Haze

dude, if math is god than let it be known than mathmaticians are preachers.

just because the quran has math doesnt mean ANYTHING.

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#140 pianist
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If you prove the existence of God, you take away the mystery of what lies beyond our own world, and that would make life pretty boring and useless. People who need proof of God, should instead try to develop their belief skills.

jimkabrhel

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Yet another terrible attempt at explaining the total lack of evidence for faith. When you go to university, you expect and know that you if you complete your assignments, you will graduate with a degree. Does that make the experience boring and useless? Yeah... I thought not. Having a tangible goal to strive for does not make something boring and useless. On the contrary, it usually fuels your desire to complete a task and do it well. You know the university exists in your tangible reality, and you know that you will receive a tangible reward for your work, and yet you don't find it boring and useless. Go figure.

The reason God must remain shrouded in mystery is that, in the sense of every organized human religion, He or they or it is imaginary. Any human religion that stated God or gods were tangible and existed on this world have long since been disproven, because no one could possibly believe the claims when we explore the reputed 'homes of the gods' and find nothing there, or discover that lightning strikes or volcanic eruptions are actually perfectly natural (and even to some degree predictable) events. Thus, the only way for a religion to survive is to claim that God is beyond our comprehension, thus rendering it impossible to disprove its existence. The problem, of course, is that the burden of proof to find tangible evidence lies on those who make the claim (i.e. theists). If I claimed I was God, people would expect me to prove it, or they would not believe me. In fact, they may even kill me for blasphemy. Why then do they wholeheartedly believe words written in centuries old books that, like me, do not offer any evidence at all for their validity, beyond some coincidences that die hard believers dig up, trying desperately to 'prove' their belief?

Developing your belief skills amounts to one thing - learning to lie to yourself, and convince yourself that you believe something without evidence, usually because you really want it to be true. It depends on the ability to misinterpret findings, focusing only on those findings which support your chosen belief, and ignoring all that contradicts it. That's it. Frankly, I don't think this is a worthy pursuit. But if you want to believe in what amounts to fiction until real evidence is discovered, far be if from me to tell you not to. Just don't look down at those who believe other fictions to be true.

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#141 ab1205
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Ugh, these claims have been TESTED by MUSLIMS that speak ARABIC as well as Scholars and it's been proven to be false.
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#142 Thanatos465
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2+2=5 according to u?
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#143 soroush7
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Thats not going to do it..
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#144 REforever101
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god cant be proven. its called faith

i dont have it, but most do. and its those people that believe in god

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#145 Cedric169
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Man created god not viceversa
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#146 ALTER_duo
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:shock:man i cant believe that this thread is here still
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#147 turgore
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There is no God, because he let Stevie Ray Vaughan die. If there was a God, he wouldn't have killed such a talented guitarist so young. I know there are many people that have been killed way to young, but this is who I chose for this example:Pmetallica_fan42
Maybe God wanted Stevie for himself...
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#148 agilefalcon16
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god cant be proven. its called faith

REforever101

Then if God can't be seen, heard, smelt, tasted, or felt (the five senses), then how did people know he "existed" in the first place? That's what I want to know.

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#149 Serial-No_3404
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if its not tangible then its not real
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#150 fatzombiepigeon
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I can tell just by reading other posts that everything in those is a big fat load of bullocks.

I'll stick to agnosticism. If it means that I burn in hell because I don't worship God, then hell is where I'll go. If there is a God, I've learned that he is not that narrow minded.