Your opinion on Global Warming? Is it a real threat or just a hoax?

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="matthayter700"] Ok? Which numbers have been "massaged"?-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] The hockey-stick graphs done on temperature. Just about steady with a few minor fluctuations throughout the ages, and a sudden global temperature rise.LikeHaterade

Global warming is a fact. It is happening. The only reason people are really skeptical about it is because celebrities and politicians they don't like got involved. Are humans causing it? Not exactly. Global warming happens in a cycle. Very slowly it warms up, and gets to a point where an ice age starts. Then it repeats. Humans are, in fact, speeding up the process, though.Ratfuzz

Agreed. When science becomes infected by non-science, it becomes harder to tell who to trust.

First I'm going to have to ask you where you got that graph from. And secondly, what should that graph look like?-Sun_Tzu-

Wikipedia. I'm looking through the sources cited and cannot find the SPECIFIC location of it. Many experts would call that bogus science. In terms of temperatures rising, it shouldn't look like a hockeystick so to speak.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]First I'm going to have to ask you where you got that graph from. And secondly, what should that graph look like?LikeHaterade

Wikipedia. I'm looking through the sources cited and cannot find the SPECIFIC location of it. Many experts would call that bogus science. In terms of temperatures rising, it shouldn't look like a hockeystick so to speak.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]First I'm going to have to ask you where you got that graph from. And secondly, what should that graph look like?-Sun_Tzu-

Wikipedia. I'm looking through the sources cited and cannot find the SPECIFIC location of it. Many experts would call that bogus science. In terms of temperatures rising, it shouldn't look like a hockeystick so to speak.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Wikipedia. I'm looking through the sources cited and cannot find the SPECIFIC location of it. Many experts would call that bogus science. In terms of temperatures rising, it shouldn't look like a hockeystick so to speak.

LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I'm a little confused. What do you mean it shouldn't look like a hockey stick? Surely at least one scientist has composed a graph reflecting the true behavior of the climate which you are referring to.Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Wikipedia. I'm looking through the sources cited and cannot find the SPECIFIC location of it. Many experts would call that bogus science. In terms of temperatures rising, it shouldn't look like a hockeystick so to speak.

LikeHaterade

Global warming is real, I don't think that we were the ones to cause it but we are the ones that sped it up.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I'm a little confused. What do you mean it shouldn't look like a hockey stick? Surely at least one scientist has composed a graph reflecting the true behavior of the climate which you are referring to.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] The huge spike at the end of the graph is the hockey stick I'm referring to. Yes I'm sure, and it wouldn't look like the one I showed you towards the end of it. Displaying global temperatures that are actually rising isn't showing global warming, but the weather changing, just as it has done in the past. You have years where the weather is hot and years where it's cold. It will get cold again but it's just a matter of time. However, now that it's called "Climate Change," you can't call these particular scientists wrong. Not that that is a big deal because I could care less.LikeHaterade

Well can I see it?-Sun_Tzu-

Temperatures are on the rise now. If you're asking for a graph that doesn't display that, then that is something that I can't show you.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Well can I see it?LikeHaterade

Temperatures are on the rise now. If you're asking for a graph that doesn't display that, then that is something that I can't show you.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Well can I see it?LikeHaterade

Temperatures are on the rise now. If you're asking for a graph that doesn't display that, then that is something that I can't show you.

Temperatures are on the rise now. If you're asking for a graph that doesn't display that, then that is something that I can't show you. LikeHaterade

Of course global warming is real. Are we causing it? I doubt that. Either way, we still need to get off fossil fuels and improve the environment; if it cools the planet down in the process then that'll be an added bonus.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]Temperatures are on the rise now. If you're asking for a graph that doesn't display that, then that is something that I can't show you. foxhound_fox

hoax and political propaganda bs. al gore pisses me off. come to the midwest in december or january you s.o.b.xbox360isgr8t

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hoax and political propaganda bs. al gore pisses me off. come to the midwest in december or january you s.o.b.Mr_sprinkles

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Well can I see it?-Sun_Tzu-

Temperatures are on the rise now. If you're asking for a graph that doesn't display that, then that is something that I can't show you.

Tried to find you a graph that displayed global temp throughout the millennia to compare it to the previous one I showed. Many experts would say that the temperature rise at the end of this graph seems more realistic than the previous graph.

[QUOTE="matthayter700"][QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"] pretty much this. i think hybrids are a good idea, only for the reason that they save gas money. the sun is heating up, an the earth goes through warm/cold cycles. so theres no reason to think humans are doing this. UNHOLY_basic

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Asserting and mocking and using condescending language =/= Arguing a point

This isn't the only climate change thread that we were both in, and I've made reference to the same thorough geography textbook excerpt not only in this thread but before this thread as well, and you still have yet to refute the points made in that excerpt. Look back into the first page of this thread, to a post of mine with two large paragraphs in italics. I doubt you could miss it.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Temperatures are on the rise now. If you're asking for a graph that doesn't display that, then that is something that I can't show you.

LikeHaterade

Tried to find you a graph that displayed global temp throughout the millennia to compare it to the previous one I showed. Many experts would say that the temperature rise at the end of this graph seems more realistic than the previous graph.

Tried to find you a graph that displayed global temp throughout the millennia to compare it to the previous one I showed. Many experts would say that the temperature rise at the end of this graph seems more realistic than the previous graph.

LikeHaterade

Global Warming isn't real. It is just political alarmist propaganda. The Earth can control its climate and has been for millions of years. It was going through heating and cooling changes long before humanity was even capable of walking upright. Heck, there were hot and cold periods long before the dinosaurs even walked the Earth.

It is as much a threat as a bunch of puppies wanting to cuddle with you. The Earth can control its own climate. We have a negligible effect on everything (aside from things like CFC's destroying the ozone layer and dumping things like phosphorus and mercury into clean water sources... but that has nothing to do with climate change). Alternative fuels that lower our reliance on finite resources are great, but not because we need to keep the planet from burning up... because they are finite and can be better used for things like plastics.
foxhound_fox

I completely agree with you on the subject.

Can I see the link to where you got that graph from?-Sun_Tzu-

Of coarse. Disregard the graph that I showed you because there is a more accurate one later in the article. Very few differences between the two though.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/

So we are still about 0.4 degrees cooler than the year 900. So wait... why are people concerned again? If it was hotter in 900 than it is right now and the Earth didn't end, why is everyone all up in arms about it now?foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]Temperatures are on the rise now. If you're asking for a graph that doesn't display that, then that is something that I can't show you. foxhound_fox

Yeah, from 1998 until now I believe, temperatures have cooled. Global Cooling OMG!

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Can I see the link to where you got that graph from?LikeHaterade

Of coarse. Disregard the graph that I showed you because there is a more accurate one later in the article. Very few differences between the two though.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Can I see the link to where you got that graph from?-Sun_Tzu-

Of coarse. Disregard the graph that I showed you because there is a more accurate one later in the article. Very few differences between the two though.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/

And why are your sources any more credible? They're funded by grants to scientists who want money and fanatical enviromentalist zealots. Do you have any idea how much money is in this global warming alarmist crap?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Of coarse. Disregard the graph that I showed you because there is a more accurate one later in the article. Very few differences between the two though.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/

trix5817

And why are your sources any more credible? They're funded by scientist who want grant money and fanatical enviromentalist zealots.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Lol yet it makes more sense than the previous. By the way[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Can I see the link to where you got that graph from?-Sun_Tzu-

Of coarse. Disregard the graph that I showed you because there is a more accurate one later in the article. Very few differences between the two though.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/

EDIT: Btw, any graph you throw at me representing global warming, I could find the scientist or chief editor of the site to be funded by some type of organization dude...

[QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"][QUOTE="matthayter700"] Aside from the fact that climate patterns since the industrial revolution are quite different from those that were present before then...matthayter700

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Asserting and mocking and using condescending language =/= Arguing a point

This isn't the only climate change thread that we were both in, and I've made reference to the same thorough geography textbook excerpt not only in this thread but before this thread as well, and you still have yet to refute the points made in that excerpt. Look back into the first page of this thread, to a post of mine with two large paragraphs in italics. I doubt you could miss it.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Well isn't this interesting. The Chief Editor of worldclimatereport.com is a man by the name of Patrick J. Michaels. Why is this significant, you ask? Patrick J. Michaels was one of a number of scientists who have been funded by the Western Fuel Association, in exchange for testimony by said scientists on their behalf. The link that you've shown me is hardly a credible source.-Sun_Tzu-

And why are your sources any more credible? They're funded by scientist who want grant money and fanatical enviromentalist zealots.

I meant Global Warming Crisis sources in general (I'm sure you've gotten you're information from a source, unless you're telepathic). Stop playing stupid. My point still stands.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Of coarse. Disregard the graph that I showed you because there is a more accurate one later in the article. Very few differences between the two though.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/

LikeHaterade

http://dieoff.org/page82.htm#1

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

And why are your sources any more credible? They're funded by scientist who want grant money and fanatical enviromentalist zealots.

trix5817

I meant Global Warming Crisis sources in general (I'm sure you've gotten you're information from a source, unless you're telepathic). Stop playing stupid. My point still stands.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Well isn't this interesting. The Chief Editor of worldclimatereport.com is a man by the name of Patrick J. Michaels. Why is this significant, you ask? Patrick J. Michaels was one of a number of scientists who have been funded by the Western Fuel Association, in exchange for testimony by said scientists on their behalf. The link that you've shown me is hardly a credible source.-Sun_Tzu-

http://dieoff.org/page82.htm#1