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i think parts of it are based on factual information, but the majority of what we claim to know about global warming is populist "spindoctrination"
i just made up a new word.
btw i do not regard it as a mortal threat to our race as a whole, not now, and not for the next million years.
But who are these "many experts" who would agree? Many experts would also disagree; the majority of experts would disagree. Prove to me that Patrick Michaels' graph is more accurate. To disregard credibility is simply ridiculous. Can you show me a source that has no ties to companies or corporations that have an interest in the success of oil and gasoline? Because if you can't then your argument has no credibility, regardless if the logistics "make more sense". I couldn't just as you can't show the reverse, despite your view on global warming. I have already told you that the hockey stick graph that I showed was believed to be false by scientists with decades of experience. Scientists that would disagree just massage the numbers to make the money, which is why other scientists and other prominent people back it. I have seen scientists dispute global warming with evidence such as the graph I have presented, and I have yet to see the reverse.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] When you're researching a subject that contains just about everything that is biased, it makes sense to pay more attention to the logistics and what makes more sense. I'm not saying ignore it all together, but just take in what makes more sense and what seems more logical. The global temperatures presented by scientists to show global warming show numbers being massaged. Many experts would agree which is why the second graph I presented made more sense. Call them both biased, but the second one is actually closer to actuality in terms of meteorology. Believe what you want.LikeHaterade
EDIT: "Regardless if the logistics 'make more sense'." So you're saying that if an amount of data is more logical and makes more sense than the other amount of data, you're saying that it still doesn't matter? :lol:
Well, what do you call "makes more sense" then? Time dilation, a fact known for being counterintuitive, doesn't make sense to me... but that doesn't make it any less true. Truth is stranger than fiction and what "makes sense" to our severely flawed intuition isn't always going to be the truth.
The average earth temperature has risen a few degrees (it has risen in some areas and dropped in others), and now liberals have made it into a political movement, a religion, and an economic system all rolled into one and are constantly brainwashing us to dominate us through fear. I doubt mankind has had any kind of significant impact on the environment. fidosimEven with all the polluting technologies of all the communities of all the regions of all the societies on Earth? I think you're underestimating human influence. As for "a few degrees" the difference that makes is explained towards the end of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg
[QUOTE="fidosim"]The average earth temperature has risen a few degrees (it has risen in some areas and dropped in others), and now liberals have made it into a political movement, a religion, and an economic system all rolled into one and are constantly brainwashing us to dominate us through fear. I doubt mankind has had any kind of significant impact on the environment. lilburtonboy748very true
Whenever someone claims that GW is a "religion" to people who are concerned about it, they lose all credibility.
Scientists that would disagree just massage the numbers to make the moneyLikeHateradeAnd scientists, such as Patrick J. Michaels who has his own personal agenda, wouldn't massage numbers to make money? That's why the graph you showed me is not credible, not because Patrick J. Michaels is biased, but because companies like the Western Fuels Association give him money so he can be a cheerleader for the "global warming isn't bad" parade. The other side of the argument is irrelevant here; you said that Global Warming isn't man-made, and you base your whole argument on a graph created by some one who is on the Western Fuels Assosiation's payroll. Climatologists with as much experience as Patrick J. Michaels, if not more have described Michaels scientific models and argument as a whole as inaccurate and misleading.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you want to convince anyone to conform to your view point I suggest you don't try to support your argument with man who has a personal monetary interest in the success of oil.
To believe that man has caused the recent rise of temperature in our planet is a totally irrational thought, first of all they say that the rise in temperature is because the CO2 that man throws into the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas, and that is true, but greenhouse gases only form a minimal part of the gases in the atmosphere what´s more CO2 is a relatively minor greenhouse gas in fact water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere (95%) and this gases only form 0.046% of all the atmosphere.
It is true that the temperature is rising, but this is how our planet behaves, first the temperature rises and then it comes down, it has happened all the time and it has nothing to do with CO2, in fact temperature has been rising long before cars and airplanes were invented, since the mid XIX century the earth temperature has risen by just a half a degree celcius and most of this rise in temperature came before 1940 when industrial activity was relatively insignificant, after World War II during the enonomic boom temperature "in theory" should have gone up, but they didn´t they fell, not for 1 or 2 years but for 4 decades.
So as you can see the relation is opposite, CO2 and temperature don´t go together.
To believe that man has caused the recent rise of temperature in our planet is a totally irrational thought, first of all they say that the rise in temperature is because the CO2 that man throws into the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas, and that is true, but greenhouse gases only form a minimal part of the gases in the atmosphere what´s more CO2 is a relatively minor greenhouse gas in fact water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere (95%) and this gases only form 0.046% of all the atmosphere.
It is true that the temperature is rising, but this is how our planet behaves, first the temperature rises and then it comes down, it has happened all the time and it has nothing to do with CO2, in fact temperature has been rising long before cars and airplanes were invented, since the mid XIX century the earth temperature has risen by just a half a degree celcius and most of this rise in temperature came before 1940 when industrial activity was relatively insignificant, after World War II during the enonomic boom temperature "in theory" should have gone up, but they didn´t they fell, not for 1 or 2 years but for 4 decades.
So as you can see the relation is opposite, CO2 and temperature don´t go together.
hellrider87
CO2 has a lower specific heat than the other gasses in the atmosphere. Specific heat is the amount of energy required to raise a specific quantity of a substance by a specific interval of temperature. In other words replacing other gasses in our atmosphere that require more energy to heat with CO2 which requires less energy will obviously allow more heat to pass through the atmosphere.
Not to mention CO2 in the atmosphere being absorbed into the ocean, which changes the sea water into CARBONIC ACID. I think its easy to see why we dont want our oceans to made up of acid.
While its true that the temperature of our planet has changed over time this is mostly due to the Carbon Cycle
Basicly the earths carbon dioxide is absorbe into the ground and the ocean and released back into the atmosphere. When CO2 is absorbed into the ocean, the ocean will obviously be hotter and the rest of the planet will be colder, however once it is realeased back into the atmosphere the planet warms up again.
However this cycle will not continue as the amount of CO2 being created by man will cause a peak amount of CO2 in the atmosphere which will allow too much heat to pass through, which will raise ocean levels, scorch the planet, possibly an extinction event and generally make the earth a pretty terrible place for any form of life.
I think it's real, slightly exaggerated but a true threat most of us are ignoring.noswearMore people realise there is an issue than 4 or 5 years ago. Awareness has increased a lot. The main people who are in denail of just dont care are the major contributors to the mess. Most of them have the " I don't care, It won't be my problem to deal with so can you excuse me while I get richer" attidute.
I don't know. Some respectable scientists says "real". Some respectable scientists say "not real". The data is all over the place so who knows.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't take care of our planet though. Everyone should do their part to take care of the environment.
The thing is Global Warming is not as widely accepted in the scientific community as it is in the media. I happen to be a Scientist and studied enviromental chemistry extensivly and it is unlikely that climate change is caused by humans.
I suggest if people want to really learn about it you stop listening to politicians and activists because its likely they aren't educated in that field. Go to your local university library and read some actual non-biased science text books and you will see for yourself.
I think its a hoax... Last year it was like 40 degrees all winter (up in NJ) and now it gets down to like 15 everyday.Oh yeah, the world is definately increasing in temperature by
however many degrees every year. AlGore is a phony!!!
If global warming is real... Manbearpig is obviously behind it.
I don't believe in global warming.
HOWEVER, I believe in climate change.
This is because Some parts of the world are getting colder and some are getting warmer.
And I consider it as a natural process that is being accelerated (by a pretty large amount compared to the past) by human activity
AlGore is a hypocrite. He runs his friends around in private jets and has a mansion that is fully aircondition wich he leaves running 24/7 even when no one is there.I think its a hoax... Last year it was like 40 degrees all winter (up in NJ) and now it gets down to like 15 everyday.Oh yeah, the world is definately increasing in temperature by
however many degrees every year. AlGore is a phony!!!If global warming is real... Manbearpig is obviously behind it.
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