Your thoughts on Abstinence?

Yes, yes I would. I have self-control. And no, I wouldn't marry her for the sex and then get a divorce, before ANYBODY says ANYTHING.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

Silver_Dragon17

I never said they did. However, sleeping around instead of waiting to marry will greatly reduce them, will it not?

Which is just a doctor's office trip away. Not a huge deal, if you ask me.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]

[QUOTE="flavort"]It is the only fail safe tool against STD's, andunwanted pregnancy. I would reduce lots of problems.quiglythegreat

If people didn't drive there would be far less problems in the world. If people went around in bubbles to protect themselves from germs there would very possibly be less disease. That's not going to happen, none of it. You cannot ask people to repress one of their strongest desires, nor should you. Sex can be a great thing, it's just that Christians (and many, many other people) see it as something intrinsically dirty and immoral. That's messed up. Your objections to premarital sex are clearly not about unwanted pregnancy or STDs.

Uh, in Christianity, sex is treated as a wonderful act, as long as it is in marriage. NOT dirty and horrible. Take your crappy generalizations elsewhere.

WEll in that case fine. As most Christians do look at pre-marrital sex as immoral, including myself. But only Catholics (And not all of them, mind you) believe that any sex is bad.

[QUOTE="MRZA"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

Silver_Dragon17

Yes, yes I would. I have self-control. And no, I wouldn't marry her for the sex and then get a divorce, before ANYBODY says ANYTHING.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

Silver_Dragon17

I never said they did. However, sleeping around instead of waiting to marry will greatly reduce them, will it not?

Then there's nothing wrong with 'sleeping around' as opposed to marital sex. Responsibility is the problem.CptJSparrow

Responsibility and self control. Just because you're responsible enough to check for STDs does not mean you can save it for your soul mate.

Also, pre-marital sex can be psychologically unhealthy, in the future.

[QUOTE="flavort"]

Actually it is. Just because I am a Christian does not mean I think that the world should be that way. Beating someone up is a natural urge if someone makes you mad enough, does not mean it is right. If someone rapes your wife killing them might be a natural urge. I also know it would not happen but I am right in what I say about it being a fail safe tool. So blame Christians all you want that is being bias to your urge of your stereotype of them.

quiglythegreat

Also, I do not believe that people naturally have the urge to hurt other people, but that's not the point. If sex does not hurt people, then obviously you can't compare it to rape. But then I'm some kind of bigot for saying that Christians do not view sex as a beautiful thing (sex between two people who are in love and not married, how's that?) and then you kind of shot yourself in the foot by comparing sex to murder.

Christian religion accepts all people no matter what they do or have done. Some are judgemental of others actions but it is not their place to do so, they are no better than the sinner in that case. The judgement does not belong to us. If somebody hurts you, you dont think it is natural to want to hurt them?That kinda sounds like a stereotypical Christian. What makes you think that Christians do not view sex as a beautiful thing? That is a good reason to save it for that special person. Anyway I was not comparing sex to murder, I was comparing the natural urge you were talking about. Everybody has different natural urges.

[QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

CptJSparrow

well most of them do.....unless you have an unfaithful spouse

The most dangerous STD is HIV...the only way of getting this from your spose is if she is fooling around (or a drug addit,or she pricked herself on a used needle)

Ahhh....so if your spouse just so happens to get infected urine in her mouth or perhaps decides to mix blood with someone with aids, well then STD's become a risk but by some small chance these situations don't arrise there is no need for a contraceptive. Condoms are uncomfortable and if you are with someone for a long time then they become un-necessary

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="MRZA"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

MRZA

Yes, yes I would. I have self-control. And no, I wouldn't marry her for the sex and then get a divorce, before ANYBODY says ANYTHING.

Leave, as I am also against polygamy.

Also, pre-marital sex can be psychologically unhealthy, in the future.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Then there's nothing wrong with 'sleeping around' as opposed to marital sex. Responsibility is the problem.Silver_Dragon17

Responsibility and self control. Just because you're responsible enough to check for STDs does not mean you can save it for your soul mate.

Also, pre-marital sex can be psychologically unhealthy, in the future.

WEll in that case fine. As most Christians do look at pre-marrital sex as immoral, including myself. But only Catholics (And not all of them, mind you) believe that any sex is bad.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

Erasorn

I never said they did. However, sleeping around instead of waiting to marry will greatly reduce them, will it not?

What's worse: risking death by spending time in your kitchen, or risking fatherhood by sleeping with a stranger? Now, which of those two has better odds of happening?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Also, pre-marital sex can be psychologically unhealthy, in the future.

Erasorn

Yeah I second that. I don't like broad sweeping statements that are also vague, incorrect and baseless.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

WEll in that case fine. As most Christians do look at pre-marrital sex as immoral, including myself. But only Catholics (And not all of them, mind you) believe that any sex is bad.

quiglythegreat

I'm perfectly fine with it. I personally never want kids.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

Arsenal140

well most of them do.....unless you have an unfaithful spouse

The most dangerous STD is HIV...the only way of getting this from your spose is if she is fooling around (or a drug addit,or she pricked herself on a used needle)

Ahhh....so if your spouse just so happens to get infected urine in her mouth or perhaps decides to mix blood with someone with aids, well then STD's become a risk but by some small chance these situations don't arrise there is no need for a contraceptive. Condoms are uncomfortable and if you are with someone for a long time then they become un-necessary

Christian religion accepts all people no matter what they do or have done. Some are judgemental of others actions but it is not their place to do so, they are no better than the sinner in that case. The judgement does not belong to us. If somebody hurts you, you dont think it is natural to want to hurt them?That kinda sounds like a stereotypical Christian. What makes you think that Christians do not view sex as a beautiful thing? That is a good reason to save it for that special person. Anyway I was not comparing sex to murder, I was comparing the natural urge you were talking about. Everybody has different natural urges.

flavort

On a side note, youth groups are great places to get a relationship, and I'm not kidding. There are of couples (yeah, a lot of them having sex) that meet in youth groups and such, so not all 'Christians' see premarital sex as bad. Just the hardcore ones.

[QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Also, pre-marital sex can be psychologically unhealthy, in the future.

Articuno76

Yeah I second that. I don't like broad sweeping statements that are also vague, incorrect and baseless.

If the person who does it eventually marries, he can invision his former partner in bed, he can experience much guilt and discomfort, and other things. I'll have to get my old book out. He doesn't even need to marry for any of this, but love can make it stronger.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

WEll in that case fine. As most Christians do look at pre-marrital sex as immoral, including myself. But only Catholics (And not all of them, mind you) believe that any sex is bad.

Silver_Dragon17

I'm perfectly fine with it. I personally never want kids.

Im too much of a hunk not have sex before im married. i get so many beautiful women when im out doing my thing.

One of these days im going to be in the hall of fame.

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Also, pre-marital sex can be psychologically unhealthy, in the future.

Silver_Dragon17

Yeah I second that. I don't like broad sweeping statements that are also vague, incorrect and baseless.

If the person who does it eventually marries, he can invision his former partner in bed, he can experience much guilt and discomfort, and other things. I'll have to get my old book out. He doesn't even need to marry for any of this, but love can make it stronger.

[QUOTE="flavort"]

Christian religion accepts all people no matter what they do or have done. Some are judgemental of others actions but it is not their place to do so, they are no better than the sinner in that case. The judgement does not belong to us. If somebody hurts you, you dont think it is natural to want to hurt them?That kinda sounds like a stereotypical Christian. What makes you think that Christians do not view sex as a beautiful thing? That is a good reason to save it for that special person. Anyway I was not comparing sex to murder, I was comparing the natural urge you were talking about. Everybody has different natural urges.

quiglythegreat

On a side note, youth groups are great places to get a relationship, and I'm not kidding. There are of couples (yeah, a lot of them having sex) that meet in youth groups and such, so not all 'Christians' see premarital sex as bad. Just the hardcore ones.

Again with the generalizations.

Christians can and do accept everyone, no matter the religion. We are not intolerant of all non-Christians. Most Christians accept that people think differently.

[QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

CptJSparrow

well most of them do.....unless you have an unfaithful spouse

The most dangerous STD is HIV...the only way of getting this from your spose is if she is fooling around (or a drug addit,or she pricked herself on a used needle)

Ahhh....so if your spouse just so happens to get infected urine in her mouth or perhaps decides to mix blood with someone with aids, well then STD's become a risk but by some small chance these situations don't arrise there is no need for a contraceptive. Condoms are uncomfortable and if you are with someone for a long time then they become un-necessary

well i except your argument but first off kissing a girl with an STD and a cut lip isn't really a STD as its not sexually transmitted...second anybody who doesn't get a check up with their partner before unprotected sex is foolish...but just get a simply blood test.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Also, pre-marital sex can be psychologically unhealthy, in the future.

CptJSparrow

Yeah I second that. I don't like broad sweeping statements that are also vague, incorrect and baseless.

If the person who does it eventually marries, he can invision his former partner in bed, he can experience much guilt and discomfort, and other things. I'll have to get my old book out. He doesn't even need to marry for any of this, but love can make it stronger.

As I said, love can make it worse.

Say you have sex with somebody, and then years later you marry somebody else. You feel guilty that you did not share your first experiance with somebody you truly love, instead of some hooker.

well i except your argument but first off kissing a girl with an STD and a cut lip isn't really a STD as its not sexually transmitted...second anybody who doesn't get a check up with their partner before unprotected sex is foolish...but just get a simply blood test.

Arsenal140

[QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, sex should stay a marriage thing. We have enough STDs, thank you.

BTW, I'm 17, single, and I'm FOR abstinence, I have never had sex, nor will I until I marry.

I know how shocked you guys must be.

Silver_Dragon17

I never said they did. However, sleeping around instead of waiting to marry will greatly reduce them, will it not?

What's worse: risking death by spending time in your kitchen, or risking fatherhood by sleeping with a stranger? Now, which of those two has better odds of happening?

In all honesty given the fact that the kitchen is one of the most dangerous places around, you are more likely to end up getting hurt in there than having sex (all things being equal with cautions being applied in both scenarios). The issue is when caution isn't used.

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Also, pre-marital sex can be psychologically unhealthy, in the future.

Silver_Dragon17

Yeah I second that. I don't like broad sweeping statements that are also vague, incorrect and baseless.

If the person who does it eventually marries, he can invision his former partner in bed, he can experience much guilt and discomfort, and other things. I'll have to get my old book out. He doesn't even need to marry for any of this, but love can make it stronger.

You can have all of those problems without having had a previous sexual partner (just a girlfriend will do) and people who have sex outside of marriage also don't have that issue necessarily.

What of divorcees or people who remarry perhaps cos their partner died, they would have to suffer the same "mental trauma".

Yes those are all risks but they aren't exactly the kind of life shattering mental breakdown type of trauma, they aren't gonna be strong enough to make someone kill themselves or others.

Sorry, but you need a better reason than someones feelings being slightly hurt. I might be digging to much here but the way you say "and other things" makes it sound very much like you are digging for excuses, do you want a shovel?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

WEll in that case fine. As most Christians do look at pre-marrital sex as immoral, including myself. But only Catholics (And not all of them, mind you) believe that any sex is bad.

quiglythegreat

I'm perfectly fine with it. I personally never want kids.

Marriage makes sex okay because it is the love between the two people. That's really all it is about. Sex should be saved for two people truly in love with each other, and who want to spend the rest of their lives with eachother. Not between two strangers or a BF and GF who don't even know if they'll still be together in two weeks.

Again with the generalizations.

Christians can and do accept everyone, no matter the religion. We are not intolerant of all non-Christians. Most Christians accept that people think differently.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

WEll in that case fine. As most Christians do look at pre-marrital sex as immoral, including myself. But only Catholics (And not all of them, mind you) believe that any sex is bad.

Silver_Dragon17

I'm perfectly fine with it. I personally never want kids.

Marriage makes sex okay because it is the love between the two people.

*OBNOXIOUS BUZZER NOISE* WRONG! You don't have to be in love to get married and you can be in love when you are not married. Furthermore, people can get married very quickly after meeting one another whereas an unmarried couple can choose to wait for a longer length than even those who decide to get married would wait. As I stated earlier, the cutoff point of marriage is essentially arbitrary unless you still believe in fathers selling away their daughters.

Marriage makes sex okay because it is the love between the two people. That's really all it is about. Sex should be saved for two people truly in love with each other, and who want to spend the rest of their lives with eachother. Not between two strangers or a BF and GF who don't even know if they'll still be together in two weeks.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]

That's only if they view it as something they shouldn't do. Say, if I had sex before marriage, I wouldn't suffer psychological suffering because I don't view it as immoral and thus wouldn't feel guilty about my action.Silver_Dragon17

As I said, love can make it worse.

Say you have sex with somebody, and then years later you marry somebody else. You feel guilty that you did not share your first experiance with somebody you truly love, instead of some hooker.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]

I'm talking about if your spouse already has the STD. It doesn't have to be transferred by urine or vaginal/seminal fluid. You can get it from saliva transmitted in kissing if you have a cut. It's as simple as that. My point was that marriage doesn't make STD's disappear, to which you replied "well most of them do.....unless you have an unfaithful spouse." That's wrong, because they're not going to disappear if the spouse already has them.Arsenal140

well i except your argument but first off kissing a girl with an STD and a cut lip isn't really a STD as its not sexually transmitted...second anybody who doesn't get a check up with their partner before unprotected sex is foolish...but just get a simply blood test.

[QUOTE="Arsenal140"]

well i except your argument but first off kissing a girl with an STD and a cut lip isn't really a STD as its not sexually transmitted...second anybody who doesn't get a check up with their partner before unprotected sex is foolish...but just get a simply blood test.

Mercury88

no...S.T.D means Sexually Transmitted Disease, im not sure if kissing is scientifically recognised as sexual...i could be wrong and if i am just forget i said it.

Marriage makes sex okay because it is the love between the two people. That's really all it is about. Sex should be saved for two people truly in love with each other, and who want to spend the rest of their lives with eachother. Not between two strangers or a BF and GF who don't even know if they'll still be together in two weeks.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="Mercury88"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"]

well i except your argument but first off kissing a girl with an STD and a cut lip isn't really a STD as its not sexually transmitted...second anybody who doesn't get a check up with their partner before unprotected sex is foolish...but just get a simply blood test.

Arsenal140

no...S.T.D means Sexually Transmitted Disease, im not sure if kissing is scientifically recognised as sexual...i could be wrong and if i am just forget i said it.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]

That's only if they view it as something they shouldn't do. Say, if I had sex before marriage, I wouldn't suffer psychological suffering because I don't view it as immoral and thus wouldn't feel guilty about my action.CptJSparrow

As I said, love can make it worse.

Say you have sex with somebody, and then years later you marry somebody else. You feel guilty that you did not share your first experiance with somebody you truly love, instead of some hooker.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]

I'm talking about if your spouse already has the STD. It doesn't have to be transferred by urine or vaginal/seminal fluid. You can get it from saliva transmitted in kissing if you have a cut. It's as simple as that. My point was that marriage doesn't make STD's disappear, to which you replied "well most of them do.....unless you have an unfaithful spouse." That's wrong, because they're not going to disappear if the spouse already has them.Arsenal140

well i except your argument but first off kissing a girl with an STD and a cut lip isn't really a STD as its not sexually transmitted...second anybody who doesn't get a check up with their partner before unprotected sex is foolish...but just get a simply blood test.

oh really i thought you had to had sex for it to be recognised as an STD

[QUOTE="flavort"]

Christian religion accepts all people no matter what they do or have done. Some are judgemental of others actions but it is not their place to do so, they are no better than the sinner in that case. The judgement does not belong to us. If somebody hurts you, you dont think it is natural to want to hurt them?That kinda sounds like a stereotypical Christian. What makes you think that Christians do not view sex as a beautiful thing? That is a good reason to save it for that special person. Anyway I was not comparing sex to murder, I was comparing the natural urge you were talking about. Everybody has different natural urges.

quiglythegreat

On a side note, youth groups are great places to get a relationship, and I'm not kidding. There are of couples (yeah, a lot of them having sex) that meet in youth groups and such, so not all 'Christians' see premarital sex as bad. Just the hardcore ones.

Christianity does accept everybody, whether you choose to believe it or not. You are extremely biased toward Christians. Now you throw in "devout" Christians, I am a strong Christian and I had sex before marriage. Does not mean I am not worthy of being a Christian. I dont know one Christian that does not accept me because of that. The hardcore Christians that you are talking about who may not accept me have their own problems. That is no way for a Christian to act. It is not their place to devalue somebody for their actions. The Bible says dont tell people to take the stick out of their eye before they take the log out of theirs.

First of all I'm not gonna get into the whole sex before marriage debate, as I think it is quite pointless. As for me being abstinent...well sex is not a high priority for me. I could really care less if my girlfriend wants to give that to me or whatever, it is there choice. That being said, if an opportunity is there where a girl is comfortable with that in a relationship, than yes, I would have sex.carpon

anyone think this sounds a bit funny

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Again with the generalizations.

Christians can and do accept everyone, no matter the religion. We are not intolerant of all non-Christians. Most Christians accept that people think differently.

quiglythegreat

*sigh*

At what point in any of our conversations did I ever say anything comparable to what you have just said?

Yes, I do believe that any non-Christian is in immortal danger. HOWEVER I do not go around forcing my religion on others. Did you know that my own little brother thinks God is not real? That kills me, but I leave an individual's choices up to them when it comes to religion.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Marriage makes sex okay because it is the love between the two people. That's really all it is about. Sex should be saved for two people truly in love with each other, and who want to spend the rest of their lives with eachother. Not between two strangers or a BF and GF who don't even know if they'll still be together in two weeks.

quiglythegreat

Niether do I.

Sex should be reserved for true love.

Then, it should also be reserved for those who will stay together for their whole lives. AKA, marriage.

I am aware of divorces and such. That's why Christians are typically against divorce.

Once you're ready, and educated about it all, it shouldnt be limited until you are marriedBourbons3

That's a whole 'nother kettle of fish right there. Sex Ed is by and large inadequete, I mean do I really need someone to tell me where my penis goes? How is this a practical approach to sex?

[QUOTE="carpon"]First of all I'm not gonna get into the whole sex before marriage debate, as I think it is quite pointless. As for me being abstinent...well sex is not a high priority for me. I could really care less if my girlfriend wants to give that to me or whatever, it is there choice. That being said, if an opportunity is there where a girl is comfortable with that in a relationship, than yes, I would have sex.Arsenal140

anyone think this sounds a bit funny

Well...ok you got me. :cry:Sometimes things just make less sense when you type them I guess, but they make sense in your head.

*OBNOXIOUS BUZZER NOISE* WRONG! You don't have to be in love to get married and you can be in love when you are not married. Furthermore, people can get married very quickly after meeting one another whereas an unmarried couple can choose to wait for a longer length than even those who decide to get married would wait. As I stated earlier, the cutoff point of marriage is essentially arbitrary unless you still believe in fathers selling away their daughters.

Articuno76

What you fail to see is that there are two parts to what I'm saying.

First, you must love the other person. This can be done outside of marriage.

Then, you must be willing and able to be with that person your whole life. MARRIAGE.