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I'm not vegetarian, but I know a few of them and they are NOTHING like you guys describe them as. They don't go around telling everybody how they should be ashamed of themselves. They don't say being vegetarian is the best thing in the world.ChojutoVegetarians are fine and dandy. PETA is not. PETA's tax-exempt status should be revoked.
Also, vegans are easily offended and/or provokedxaos
Yes but that's why they can be oh so much fun to have around.
[QUOTE="xaos"] Also, vegans are easily offended and/or provokedLord_Daemon
Yes but that's why they can be oh so much fun to have around.
Yeah, much better than poking at a badger. Both are fun both the latter can actually hurt you back. :)
[QUOTE="Squidney"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Well, have you ever taken the time to look into why people are vegetarian? If you did, you would understand and respect it (I'm not sayin you would practice it necessarily but at least respect other people's decisions). People aren't vegetarian for no reason. For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue. Meat is not healthy, its bad for you, very bad for you in fact. Meat is not natural, humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet, and our "canines" are incomparable to carnivorous species, and more comparable to orangutans and other herbivores. I, also am completely against factory farming and unnecessary cruelty to animals, although to me thats a totally separate issue as I mainly view meat eating as unnecessary and unhealthy. As for fake meat products, we're not trying to pretend that we're eating meat as much as maintaining a similar diet as we did before we went vegetarian. Tofurky is tasty and gives me the protein I need, without the negative effects of meat, thats why I eat it. Also, vegans are easily offended and/or provokedi wasnt that serious.
so no, I dont loathe vegans, and if I met you I am sure we'd get along fine. I just, dunno, dont really like people that make pointless statements.
Its natural to eat meat; its healthy to eat meat; meat is tasty...so why not eat it?
Also, when people stoop to eating Tofurkey and Tofu hot dogs and other meat substitutes, theyre only lying to themselves.
xaos
yes they are, andgiving responses like that they wonder why people dont like them.:roll:
also notice how alot of his statements are stated as fact. "For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue."
"Meat is not natural" its made of nitrogen, carbon, oxygen andhydrogen. last time i checked those are the organic elements and are naturally existing.
"humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet" also last time i checked cows have 4 stomachs cause there herbavores how many do humans have? 1? thats what i though. long digestive tracts andthe presencegizzards and a large appendix arefor plant based diets. how bigs our appendix, size of our thumbs. it can be removed harmlessly and its notrequired for digestion? looks like another hole inhis claim.
Also, vegans are easily offended and/or provoked[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Squidney"] Well, have you ever taken the time to look into why people are vegetarian? If you did, you would understand and respect it (I'm not sayin you would practice it necessarily but at least respect other people's decisions). People aren't vegetarian for no reason. For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue. Meat is not healthy, its bad for you, very bad for you in fact. Meat is not natural, humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet, and our "canines" are incomparable to carnivorous species, and more comparable to orangutans and other herbivores. I, also am completely against factory farming and unnecessary cruelty to animals, although to me thats a totally separate issue as I mainly view meat eating as unnecessary and unhealthy. As for fake meat products, we're not trying to pretend that we're eating meat as much as maintaining a similar diet as we did before we went vegetarian. Tofurky is tasty and gives me the protein I need, without the negative effects of meat, thats why I eat it.cornholio157
yes they are, andgiving responses like that they wonder why people dont like them.:roll:
also notice how alot of his statements are stated as fact. "For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue."
"Meat is not natural" its made of nitrogen, carbon, oxygen andhydrogen. last time i checked those are the organic elements and are naturally existing.
"humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet" also last time i checked cows have 4 stomachs cause there herbavores how many do humans have? 1? thats what i though. long digestive tracts andthe presencegizzards and a large appendix arefor plant based diets. how bigs our appendix, size of our thumbs. it can be removed harmlessly and its notrequired for digestion? looks like another hole inhis claim.
Also, let's not forget that the human stomach contains hydrochloric acid. Herbivores don't have that.Also, it's herbivores that have the long digestive tracts.
Also, cows do not have 4 stomachs because they are herbivores. They have 4 stomachs because they are ungulates.
PETA does some good, but they are so over the top on many, many things it overshadows most good things they do, sadly.btaylor2404I agree. I can accept their viewpoints whether or not I agree with them, but they often take things too far and even cause actual harm in the expression of their beliefs. I know that some rationalize this by saying that the ends justify the means because it's similar in nature to a rights movement, but I just can't see it that way.
[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]PETA does some good, but they are so over the top on many, many things it overshadows most good things they do, sadly.mattbbplI agree. I can accept their viewpoints whether or not I agree with them, but they often take things too far and even cause actual harm in the expression of their beliefs. I know that some rationalize this by saying that the ends justify the means because it's similar in nature to a rights movement, but I just can't see it that way. There we go, two people in the OT that agree 100%, might need to write this day down :p.
[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]PETA does some good, but they are so over the top on many, many things it overshadows most good things they do, sadly.btaylor2404I agree. I can accept their viewpoints whether or not I agree with them, but they often take things too far and even cause actual harm in the expression of their beliefs. I know that some rationalize this by saying that the ends justify the means because it's similar in nature to a rights movement, but I just can't see it that way. There we go, two people in the OT that agree 100%, might need to write this day down :p. And I've already used all of my confetti in the other thread... figures :P
meat has protein, which is accually good for you...what is not good for you? ---> lacking moderation in your daily diet! i believe meat is fine, but in a balanced diet with everything else that is available.
Also, vegans are easily offended and/or provoked[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Squidney"] Well, have you ever taken the time to look into why people are vegetarian? If you did, you would understand and respect it (I'm not sayin you would practice it necessarily but at least respect other people's decisions). People aren't vegetarian for no reason. For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue. Meat is not healthy, its bad for you, very bad for you in fact. Meat is not natural, humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet, and our "canines" are incomparable to carnivorous species, and more comparable to orangutans and other herbivores. I, also am completely against factory farming and unnecessary cruelty to animals, although to me thats a totally separate issue as I mainly view meat eating as unnecessary and unhealthy. As for fake meat products, we're not trying to pretend that we're eating meat as much as maintaining a similar diet as we did before we went vegetarian. Tofurky is tasty and gives me the protein I need, without the negative effects of meat, thats why I eat it.cornholio157
yes they are, andgiving responses like that they wonder why people dont like them.:roll:
also notice how alot of his statements are stated as fact. "For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue."
"Meat is not natural" its made of nitrogen, carbon, oxygen andhydrogen. last time i checked those are the organic elements and are naturally existing.
"humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet" also last time i checked cows have 4 stomachs cause there herbavores how many do humans have? 1? thats what i though. long digestive tracts andthe presencegizzards and a large appendix arefor plant based diets. how bigs our appendix, size of our thumbs. it can be removed harmlessly and its notrequired for digestion? looks like another hole inhis claim.
What? I said "FOR ME" you even quoted me. That means in my opinion! AND someone asked me. Thats so rude of all you to say that you don't like me because I don't eat meat, like, really...I'm really bummed about this whole thread. I don't preach to people about my eating habits and I don't expect people to go vegetarian because I am. I am not hateful to people who think differently than I do and its really immature how everyone is acting. Meat is natural, yes I meant its not natural for humans to eat it. As a vegan, I am sure I research this subject a lot more than you, and as a human (not a robot) I am not right about everything and neither are you. I've never met one person who didn't like me for being vegetarian, and very few have disliked me. I think attacking people and being holier than thou is more of a trait for people to hate than eating veggies.PETA is good for a laugh. Nothing more. They also have an incedible tendency to waste other peoples resources. You know once an animal activist group poisoned a bunch of turkeys where I live so no one would eat turkeys for Christmas. The turkey board had to go out and slaughter twice as many turkeys that year than they would have normally because of their actions. They aren't exactly the smartest people on Earth.
Terrorists
Oh, and to the vegetarians/vegans who state that "meat is not natural", what i think you're trying to say (untruthfully) is that it is not natural for humans to eat meat. Humans are naturally omnivorous creatures, having evolved to eat both veg/meat, so your argument holds absolutely no weight whatsoever.
They euthanize animals. PannicAtackI'd just like to add to this one. over 90% of the animals turned over to peta are euthanized. For an organization that claims to value the lives of animals, they do very little to actually try and find homes for abandoned animals. euthenasia is their easy answer, not a last resort for a suffering animal.
They support bestiality.PannicAtackSeriously? Where did you see that?
They spend more on stupid and tasteless ads than they do on actually helping animals.PannicAtack
That's the number 1 reason I can't stand peta.
[QUOTE="Scarebaby"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
also, I loathe vegans
DJ_Lae
Why is that, if I may ask?
I'm with him. In most cases (but not all) vegans are vocal and obnoxious - the kind of people who would go out of their way to comment on you eating a hamburger if they saw you in a restaurant and then launching into a diatribe about how their choice of diet is more ethical and environmentally friendly and so on, and how you should be ashamed with yourself.People who eat meat do that too ALL the time, so don't try to shift the blame unfairly. I myself don't do the whole 'point out faults in other people's life style' thing, but that sure as hell hasn't stopped them from calling me a rabbit, a whimp, shoving sausages in my face and actually trying to force me to take a bite out of them. So don't give me any of that crap about vegans, because morons come of all views.
I wouldn't go that far, but yeah, they're pretty bad.PETA is the activist version of the Westboro Baptist Church and just as bad.
Shad0ki11
Seriously? Where did you see that?Well, not the organization itself. But Ingrid Newkirk said this as quoted in the New York Times.[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]They support bestiality.BuryMe
"If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it's great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong. If it isn't exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong."
Seriously? Where did you see that?Well, not the organization itself. But Ingrid Newkirk said this as quoted in the New York Times.[QUOTE="BuryMe"]
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]They support bestiality.PannicAtack
"If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it's great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong. If it isn't exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong."
girls get sexual pleasure for riding a horse?I think I saw that in movie called "sex games" or something like that...
anyway...PETA's intention are good, the ways they try to reach the goals...not so good...some of the methods are wrong...and the others are just plain stupid...like that seakittens campaign...do they actually expect to change someone's mind about eating fish because of that BS? and I saw on the website they only have like 2k signatures...even MW2 dedicated servers petition got more than that...
they are so stupid, no one takes them seriously anymore...
I'm with him. In most cases (but not all) vegans are vocal and obnoxious - the kind of people who would go out of their way to comment on you eating a hamburger if they saw you in a restaurant and then launching into a diatribe about how their choice of diet is more ethical and environmentally friendly and so on, and how you should be ashamed with yourself.[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="Scarebaby"]
Why is that, if I may ask?
Scarebaby
People who eat meat do that too ALL the time, so don't try to shift the blame unfairly. I myself don't do the whole 'point out faults in other people's life style' thing, but that sure as hell hasn't stopped them from calling me a rabbit, a whimp, shoving sausages in my face and actually trying to force me to take a bite out of them. So don't give me any of that crap about vegans, because morons come of all views.
Exactly, just look at all the freaking posts in this forums. Almost everyone makes some witty and negative comment putting themselves on a pedestal and pushing vegetarians to a lower being. So YOU are the hypocrite. I have soooo many friends that are vegetarian and vegan and NONE of them possess the negative traits you're claiming. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, people act this way because you ATTACK THEM and belittle them?
[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]
[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"] I'm with him. In most cases (but not all) vegans are vocal and obnoxious - the kind of people who would go out of their way to comment on you eating a hamburger if they saw you in a restaurant and then launching into a diatribe about how their choice of diet is more ethical and environmentally friendly and so on, and how you should be ashamed with yourself.Squidney
People who eat meat do that too ALL the time, so don't try to shift the blame unfairly. I myself don't do the whole 'point out faults in other people's life style' thing, but that sure as hell hasn't stopped them from calling me a rabbit, a whimp, shoving sausages in my face and actually trying to force me to take a bite out of them. So don't give me any of that crap about vegans, because morons come of all views.
Exactly, just look at all the freaking posts in this forums. Almost everyone makes some witty and negative comment putting themselves on a pedestal and pushing vegetarians to a lower being. So YOU are the hypocrite. I have soooo many friends that are vegetarian and vegan and NONE of them possess the negative traits you're claiming. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, people act this way because you ATTACK THEM and belittle them?
Or maybe because Peta and ALF are full of nutcases? And you were completely wrong about humans being herbivores.I think that all these groups are stupid -_-
I mean were omnivours, we were made to eat meat and vegetables... And cruelty to animals? Dont make me laugh... Watch Animal Planet and write down all the preaty ways a zebra can get killed and eaten (not necesarily alive) out in Africa...
Yeah, exactly. Look at how a lion kills a zebra and then look at the way we raise cattle. Its quite different. If I went out and hunted my prey killing them quickly I would eat meat. But the fact is that animals raise for meat are tortured their whole entire lives. and its unnecessary because we don't need meat to live. You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up. Its easy to say "I think thats stupid" but you can't even really say why besides repeating what you've heard. Like a bunch of ignorant sheep, its really sad. This forum is full of sheep. I'm out!I think that all these groups are stupid -_-
I mean were omnivours, we were made to eat meat and vegetables... And cruelty to animals? Dont make me laugh... Watch Animal Planet and write down all the preaty ways a zebra can get killed and eaten (not necesarily alive) out in Africa...
chaplainDMK
[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]Yeah, exactly. Look at how a lion kills a zebra and then look at the way we raise cattle. Its quite different. If I went out and hunted my prey killing them quickly I would eat meat. But the fact is that animals raise for meat are tortured their whole entire lives. and its unnecessary because we don't need meat to live. You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up. Its easy to say "I think thats stupid" but you can't even really say why besides repeating what you've heard. Like a bunch of ignorant sheep, its really sad. This forum is full of sheep. I'm out!I think that all these groups are stupid -_-
I mean were omnivours, we were made to eat meat and vegetables... And cruelty to animals? Dont make me laugh... Watch Animal Planet and write down all the preaty ways a zebra can get killed and eaten (not necesarily alive) out in Africa...
Squidney
Realy? Killed quickly?
Does:
-Getting drowned while your legs are being spun out of their joints
-Being eaten alive
-Having your leg broken then getting eaten while you still stand
-Getting your leg broken and left to die from either infection or the lions
etc.
What's with our cattle? They are in a room with food and water infront of them and they dont have to do anything else but to eat the food and wait till they get slaughtered... Witch takes about 1 second, them prolly not eaven knowing what happaned.
You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up.Squidney
I don't think I've seen you post a link to back up your ridiculous claims that humans are actually herbivores...
Yeah, exactly. Look at how a lion kills a zebra and then look at the way we raise cattle. Its quite different. If I went out and hunted my prey killing them quickly I would eat meat. But the fact is that animals raise for meat are tortured their whole entire lives. and its unnecessary because we don't need meat to live. You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up. Its easy to say "I think thats stupid" but you can't even really say why besides repeating what you've heard. Like a bunch of ignorant sheep, its really sad. This forum is full of sheep. I'm out![QUOTE="Squidney"][QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]
I think that all these groups are stupid -_-
I mean were omnivours, we were made to eat meat and vegetables... And cruelty to animals? Dont make me laugh... Watch Animal Planet and write down all the preaty ways a zebra can get killed and eaten (not necesarily alive) out in Africa...
chaplainDMK
Realy? Killed quickly?
Does:
-Getting drowned while your legs are being spun out of their joints
-Being eaten alive
-Having your leg broken then getting eaten while you still stand
-Getting your leg broken and left to die from either infection or the lions
etc.
What's with our cattle? They are in a room with food and water infront of them and they dont have to do anything else but to eat the food and wait till they get slaughtered... Witch takes about 1 second, them prolly not eaven knowing what happaned.
[QUOTE="Squidney"]You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up.Niff_T
I don't think I've seen you post a link to back up your ridiculous claims that humans are actually herbivores...
Abuse
Slaughterhouse truth
Earthlings by Jauquin Phoenix
Free Me
Article on humans being plant-eaters
Another article
[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]
I'm with him. In most cases (but not all) vegans are vocal and obnoxious - the kind of people who would go out of their way to comment on you eating a hamburger if they saw you in a restaurant and then launching into a diatribe about how their choice of diet is more ethical and environmentally friendly and so on, and how you should be ashamed with yourself.DJ_Lae
People who eat meat do that too ALL the time, so don't try to shift the blame unfairly. I myself don't do the whole 'point out faults in other people's life style' thing, but that sure as hell hasn't stopped them from calling me a rabbit, a whimp, shoving sausages in my face and actually trying to force me to take a bite out of them. So don't give me any of that crap about vegans, because morons come of all views.
Exactly, just look at all the freaking posts in this forums. Almost everyone makes some witty and negative comment putting themselves on a pedestal and pushing vegetarians to a lower being. So YOU are the hypocrite. I have soooo many friends that are vegetarian and vegan and NONE of them possess the negative traits you're claiming. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, people act this way because you ATTACK THEM and belittle them?
I think a lot of it is due to location - I live in Victoria BC, which is pretty much hippie central. I went to school with, lived with in res, and work with people who are (basically) reformed hippies. They all vote NDP, all smoke pot, and all practice alternate diets, and are extremely vocal about all three of those things whether I want to hear about it or not. And yes, there are meat eaters who do the reverse, but they're generally harmless as their little rants are most stupid than annoying as you know they have no idea what they're talking about. Vegans have a puffed up sense of righteousness that's extremely irritating, and they'll have it whether they've got a good reason for being vegan or not. Fad vegan? Doesn't matter, they're still the world's most ethical and environmentally conscious person.I cannot say what I think of them, because I'll get modded again.JustPlainLucas...why would you get modded by stating that you completely agree with someone's views and actions?
This talk about super-hypocritesPETA is the activist version of the Westboro Baptist Church and just as bad.
Shad0ki11
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I cannot say what I think of them, because I'll get modded again.Engrish_Major...why would you get modded by stating that you completely agree with someone's views and actions? I compared to them to scientologists, and then my PM box came a knockin'.
[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]Yeah, exactly. Look at how a lion kills a zebra and then look at the way we raise cattle. Its quite different. If I went out and hunted my prey killing them quickly I would eat meat. But the fact is that animals raise for meat are tortured their whole entire lives. and its unnecessary because we don't need meat to live. You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up. Its easy to say "I think thats stupid" but you can't even really say why besides repeating what you've heard. Like a bunch of ignorant sheep, its really sad. This forum is full of sheep. I'm out!There are countries, such as Canada, with quite a lot stricter rules when it comes to raising livestock thAn the US. PETA is mostly concerned with the US. The US puts every other country in a bad light because they think the same that is happening there is happening here. Of course there are still bad things that happen in Canada, such as the French force feeding pheasants to fatten them up (or kill them) because they want to make their famous fatty pheasant dish (I just saw this on the news the other day) but for the most part mistreating animals is looked down upon. Free range chickens, turkeys, etc are fastll becoming the norm.I think that all these groups are stupid -_-
I mean were omnivours, we were made to eat meat and vegetables... And cruelty to animals? Dont make me laugh... Watch Animal Planet and write down all the preaty ways a zebra can get killed and eaten (not necesarily alive) out in Africa...
Squidney
While I'm not a vegetarian and completely agree that animals in the wild are not killed quickly (With most kills in the wild the predator starts eating the prey when the prey is still alive) sometimes cattle are not killed quickly. Some of them are bleed out while they are still alive meaning they are hung upside down until the they have no more blood in their system.Realy? Killed quickly?
Does:
-Getting drowned while your legs are being spun out of their joints
-Being eaten alive
-Having your leg broken then getting eaten while you still stand
-Getting your leg broken and left to die from either infection or the lions
etc.What's with our cattle? They are in a room with food and water infront of them and they dont have to do anything else but to eat the food and wait till they get slaughtered... Witch takes about 1 second, them prolly not eaven knowing what happaned.
chaplainDMK
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