Zimmerman was NOT beaten by Travon as claimed

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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Now will LJ chastise this comment or maintain his hypocritical nature?

OT waits in suspense.

Funny though :lol:

Ilovegames1992

Just wondering. Are you Black?

No. I'm one of the most white people on the planet. I just like to call out LJ's bullsh!t regardless of the topic.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Just wondering. Are you Black?

LJS9502_basic

No. I'm one of the most white people on the planet. I just like to call out LJ's bullsh!t regardless of the topic.

You'd think by now you'd stop biting, considering how little you care and stuff....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

No. I'm one of the most white people on the planet. I just like to call out LJ's bullsh!t regardless of the topic.

Ilovegames1992

You'd think by now you'd stop biting, considering how little you care and stuff....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

No. I'm one of the most white people on the planet. I just like to call out LJ's bullsh!t regardless of the topic.

Ilovegames1992

You'd think by now you'd stop biting, considering how little you care and stuff....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

No. I'm one of the most white people on the planet. I just like to call out LJ's bullsh!t regardless of the topic.

Ilovegames1992

You'd think by now you'd stop biting, considering how little you care and stuff....

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You think you do...but you're not very good at it. Anyone following the story knows I remained neutral and post only how the evidence shows. But considering Zimmerman is hispanic....one could say you are racist.;)

Renevent42

You'd think by now you'd stop biting, considering how little you care and stuff....

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You think you do...but you're not very good at it. Anyone following the story knows I remained neutral and post only how the evidence shows. But considering Zimmerman is hispanic....one could say you are racist.;)

Renevent42

You'd think by now you'd stop biting, considering how little you care and stuff....

No but i do enjoy him. He is brilliant. But i wouldn't be cut up if i couldn't mess with him ever again.

Havent read any of the thread but i bet LJ and Pirate argued against everyone else in regards to Zimmerman.

Because they hate blacks.

Ilovegames1992

That might be true as they don't seem to be able to think that a kid was murdered here. I was not there but based on Zimmerman's own words of the events I found it virtually impossible that he was telling the truth. Now I find out the lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Man 1 and got stone walled by the brass. I have seen a video of Zimmerman in the station and he has no blood on his shirt but claimed he had a broken nose and shot a kid at at close range.

Ok edit the link to the 1st and second police report got taken down.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Havent read any of the thread but i bet LJ and Pirate argued against everyone else in regards to Zimmerman.

Because they hate blacks.

noscope-ak47

That might be true as they don't seem to be able to think that a kid was murdered here. I was not there but based on Zimmerman's own words of the events I found it virtually impossible that he was telling the truth. Now I find out the lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Man 1 and got stone walled by the brass. I have seen a video of Zimmerman in the station and he has no blood on his shirt but claimed he had a broken nose and shot a kid at at close range.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Havent read any of the thread but i bet LJ and Pirate argued against everyone else in regards to Zimmerman.

Because they hate blacks.

noscope-ak47

That might be true as they don't seem to be able to think that a kid was murdered here. I was not there but based on Zimmerman's own words of the events I found it virtually impossible that he was telling the truth. Now I find out the lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Man 1 and got stone walled by the brass. I have seen a video of Zimmerman in the station and he has no blood on his shirt but claimed he had a broken nose and shot a kid at at close range.

[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Havent read any of the thread but i bet LJ and Pirate argued against everyone else in regards to Zimmerman.

Because they hate blacks.

Renevent42

That might be true as they don't seem to be able to think that a kid was murdered here. I was not there but based on Zimmerman's own words of the events I found it virtually impossible that he was telling the truth. Now I find out the lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Man 1 and got stone walled by the brass. I have seen a video of Zimmerman in the station and he has no blood on his shirt but claimed he had a broken nose and shot a kid at at close range.

It got magically taken down.

Apparently here if you want the full story and don't want to believe everything you hear, you're also labeled a racist. I'm just hoping an investigation gets done properly and isn't run by a bunch of people crying racism.

we should be fair and here what the other side claims to have happend as well..oh wait cant because HE's DEAD!

SEANMCAD

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

we should be fair and here what the other side claims to have happend as well..oh wait cant because HE's DEAD!

SEANMCAD

The problem with this silly thing call evidence is that in most cases evidence is FOR THE COURTS! so i guess there is no trial, is that the idea?

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

That might be true as they don't seem to be able to think that a kid was murdered here. I was not there but based on Zimmerman's own words of the events I found it virtually impossible that he was telling the truth. Now I find out the lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Man 1 and got stone walled by the brass. I have seen a video of Zimmerman in the station and he has no blood on his shirt but claimed he had a broken nose and shot a kid at at close range.

Wasdie

It got magically taken down.

Apparently here if you want the full story and don't want to believe everything you hear, you're also labeled a racist. I'm just hoping an investigation gets done properly and isn't run by a bunch of people crying racism.

I have no vested interest in this case only real world experience in combat and fighting off my back. I know when a cover up is happening based on past experience. I also found out that previous charges brought against Mr. Zimmerman were also dropped for no reason and the information got surpressed. So he has a violent past. This was not the 1st time he was in trouble with the law and should have had his concealed gun permit revoked years ago. The race card is besides the point but I personally believe it did play a part. The lead investigator said as much and wanted Zimmerman arrested for Man 1 but was brushed aside. I also don't want a guy that defended himself to go to jail for no reason but I truely think that was not the case here.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] Are you going to post the links to the 2nd police report?noscope-ak47

It got magically taken down.

Apparently here if you want the full story and don't want to believe everything you hear, you're also labeled a racist. I'm just hoping an investigation gets done properly and isn't run by a bunch of people crying racism.

I have no vested interest in this case only real world experience in combat and fighting off my back. I know when a cover up is happening based on past experience. I also found out that previous charges brought against Mr. Zimmerman were also dropped for no reason and the information got surpressed. So he has a violent past. This was not the 1st time he was in trouble with the law and should have had his concealed gun permit revoked years ago. The race card is besides the point but I personally believe it did play a part. The lead investigator said as much and wanted Zimmerman arrested for Man 1 but was brushed aside. I also don't want a guy that defended himself to go to jail for no reason but I truely think that was not the case here.

All this case shows is that is okay to kill black people in america which is sad. If Zimmerman was a black guy and Trayvon was a white 17 year old kid who got guned down Zimmerman would have been thrown in jail from the start no questions asked. And what I just said is 100 percent true, so no one try to argue with me on that. djshowstopper87

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

I have no vested interest in this case only real world experience in combat and fighting off my back. I know when a cover up is happening based on past experience. I also found out that previous charges brought against Mr. Zimmerman were also dropped for no reason and the information got surpressed. So he has a violent past. This was not the 1st time he was in trouble with the law and should have had his concealed gun permit revoked years ago. The race card is besides the point but I personally believe it did play a part. The lead investigator said as much and wanted Zimmerman arrested for Man 1 but was brushed aside. I also don't want a guy that defended himself to go to jail for no reason but I truely think that was not the case here.

SEANMCAD

we really need to step back here and understand how it all SHOULD work. This is how it should work.

If a bullet fired from your gun in your hand kills someone you need to be put into custody and evidence needs to be gathered FOR THE COURTS TO DECIDE if it was self defense or not. All this other blabber is bullsh*t

[QUOTE="djshowstopper87"]All this case shows is that is okay to kill black people in america which is sad. If Zimmerman was a black guy and Trayvon was a white 17 year old kid who got guned down Zimmerman would have been thrown in jail from the start no questions asked. And what I just said is 100 percent true, so no one try to argue with me on that. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="djshowstopper87"]All this case shows is that is okay to kill black people in america which is sad. If Zimmerman was a black guy and Trayvon was a white 17 year old kid who got guned down Zimmerman would have been thrown in jail from the start no questions asked. And what I just said is 100 percent true, so no one try to argue with me on that. djshowstopper87

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

It got magically taken down.

Apparently here if you want the full story and don't want to believe everything you hear, you're also labeled a racist. I'm just hoping an investigation gets done properly and isn't run by a bunch of people crying racism.

LJS9502_basic

I have no vested interest in this case only real world experience in combat and fighting off my back. I know when a cover up is happening based on past experience. I also found out that previous charges brought against Mr. Zimmerman were also dropped for no reason and the information got surpressed. So he has a violent past. This was not the 1st time he was in trouble with the law and should have had his concealed gun permit revoked years ago. The race card is besides the point but I personally believe it did play a part. The lead investigator said as much and wanted Zimmerman arrested for Man 1 but was brushed aside. I also don't want a guy that defended himself to go to jail for no reason but I truely think that was not the case here.

OK how many people can reach a concealed weapon on their side with a person beating them in full mount ??

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

I have no vested interest in this case only real world experience in combat and fighting off my back. I know when a cover up is happening based on past experience. I also found out that previous charges brought against Mr. Zimmerman were also dropped for no reason and the information got surpressed. So he has a violent past. This was not the 1st time he was in trouble with the law and should have had his concealed gun permit revoked years ago. The race card is besides the point but I personally believe it did play a part. The lead investigator said as much and wanted Zimmerman arrested for Man 1 but was brushed aside. I also don't want a guy that defended himself to go to jail for no reason but I truely think that was not the case here.

noscope-ak47

OK how many people can reach a concealed weapon on their side with a person beating them in full mount ??

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

I have no vested interest in this case only real world experience in combat and fighting off my back. I know when a cover up is happening based on past experience. I also found out that previous charges brought against Mr. Zimmerman were also dropped for no reason and the information got surpressed. So he has a violent past. This was not the 1st time he was in trouble with the law and should have had his concealed gun permit revoked years ago. The race card is besides the point but I personally believe it did play a part. The lead investigator said as much and wanted Zimmerman arrested for Man 1 but was brushed aside. I also don't want a guy that defended himself to go to jail for no reason but I truely think that was not the case here.

SEANMCAD

we really need to step back here and understand how it all SHOULD work. This is how it should work.

If a bullet fired from your gun in your hand kills someone you need to be put into custody and evidence needs to be gathered FOR THE COURTS TO DECIDE if it was self defense or not. All this other blabber is bullsh*t

He was cuffed and brought back to the police station for interrogation.

Under Flordia law, if the shooting was in self defense, then you're free to go. It's pretty easy for the cops to determine if a shooting was in self defense. If somebody is going murder somebody else, it's not going to be in the middle of a middle class community street with people watching. It doesn't add up that this is some hate crime.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Anecdotal evidence is NOT applicable to anything but said anecdote. And considering you implied I'm racist for not agreeing with you....I'd say he's spot on.LJS9502_basic

OK how many people can reach a concealed weapon on their side with a person beating them in full mount ??

I know only a couple hundred people in the world could have done what Mr. Zimmerman did based on real world experience. However I doubt the people here have been trained in close combat so what I say will be treated with scorn.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

OK how many people can reach a concealed weapon on their side with a person beating them in full mount ??

noscope-ak47

I know only a couple hundred people in the world could have done what Mr. Zimmerman did based on real world experience. However I doubt the people here have been trained in close combat so what I say will be treated with scorn.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Do you know where it was concealed? Do you know how much movement was going on during the scuffle? No...you don't. And it is possible. Would it have made you happier if he couldn't reach his gun and he was killed instead? Because you are very one sided in this.....LJS9502_basic

I know only a couple hundred people in the world could have done what Mr. Zimmerman did based on real world experience. However I doubt the people here have been trained in close combat so what I say will be treated with scorn.

Ok let me put it this way your ex-army how many people can shoot 40 out of 40??

That is easy compared to what Mr. Zimmerman claimed he pulled off.

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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Havent read any of the thread but i bet LJ and Pirate argued against everyone else in regards to Zimmerman.

Because they hate blacks.

LJS9502_basic

That might be true as they don't seem to be able to think that a kid was murdered here. I was not there but based on Zimmerman's own words of the events I found it virtually impossible that he was telling the truth. Now I find out the lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Man 1 and got stone walled by the brass. I have seen a video of Zimmerman in the station and he has no blood on his shirt but claimed he had a broken nose and shot a kid at at close range.

You do seem to "side" with the attacker though. For instance, you seem to be discounting the fact thatZimmerman was following the kid. Now I don't know about you but if I was walking alone at night and I realized someone was following me for some time I would definitely think the guy was up to no good. We don't really know what happened, but the simple fact thatZimmerman was following the guy for some time suggests that he actually caused the whole situation.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

I know only a couple hundred people in the world could have done what Mr. Zimmerman did based on real world experience. However I doubt the people here have been trained in close combat so what I say will be treated with scorn.

noscope-ak47

Ok let me put it this way your ex-army how many people can shoot 40 out of 40??

That is easy compared to what Mr. Zimmerman claimed he pulled off.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

That might be true as they don't seem to be able to think that a kid was murdered here. I was not there but based on Zimmerman's own words of the events I found it virtually impossible that he was telling the truth. Now I find out the lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Man 1 and got stone walled by the brass. I have seen a video of Zimmerman in the station and he has no blood on his shirt but claimed he had a broken nose and shot a kid at at close range.

nunovlopes

You do seem to "side" with the attacker though. For instance, you seem to be discounting the fact thatZimmerman was following the kid. Now I don't know about you but if I was walking alone at night and I realized someone was following me for some time I would definitely think the guy was up to no good. We don't really know what happened, but the simple fact thatZimmerman was following the guy for some time suggests that he actually caused the whole situation.

Everyone is 1 of three positions on this subject

1. Zimmerman is innocent

2. Travon is innocent.

3. the courts need to decide that.

Now I am of number 3. The thing is, when someone is arrested THEY ARE NOT CONVICTED, that is why we havea court system that is the whole idea.

So people who are saying Zimmerman should be arrested are NOT saying he is guilty, they are saying there is enough evidence to bring to trial a self defense case.

SEANMCAD

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] Are you going to post the links to the 2nd police report?noscope-ak47

It got magically taken down.

Apparently here if you want the full story and don't want to believe everything you hear, you're also labeled a racist. I'm just hoping an investigation gets done properly and isn't run by a bunch of people crying racism.

I have no vested interest in this case only real world experience in combat and fighting off my back. I know when a cover up is happening based on past experience. I also found out that previous charges brought against Mr. Zimmerman were also dropped for no reason and the information got surpressed. So he has a violent past. This was not the 1st time he was in trouble with the law and should have had his concealed gun permit revoked years ago. The race card is besides the point but I personally believe it did play a part. The lead investigator said as much and wanted Zimmerman arrested for Man 1 but was brushed aside. I also don't want a guy that defended himself to go to jail for no reason but I truely think that was not the case here.

Yeah, he's a racist b!tch.

funtimez12345

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

Everyone is 1 of three positions on this subject

1. Zimmerman is innocent

2. Travon is innocent.

3. the courts need to decide that.

Now I am of number 3. The thing is, when someone is arrested THEY ARE NOT CONVICTED, that is why we havea court system that is the whole idea.

So people who are saying Zimmerman should be arrested are NOT saying he is guilty, they are saying there is enough evidence to bring to trial a self defense case.

SEANMCAD

I havent yet read any post or heard anything on TV that says basically 'we think the police are wrong in saying that the gun was fired by Zimmerman and that Travon is dead because of the bullet that came out of that gun'

Thats it, that is all you need to ask 'is it ok then to have a trial to find out what happened and in the meantime put zimmerman in jail until the trial? with the understanding that he might be a security risk if indeed it wasnt in self defense'

The point of arresting him is NOT to say he is guilty of anything whatsoever other than having fired a gun that killed Travon, the reasons for that happening are an entirely different subject

that is the road of sanity.

That's not how things work...maybe on CSI or something but in the real world the district attorney has to have the proper evidence before formally charging and having someone arrested. All of that is based on investigation done by the police and usually the DA's won't move forward unless they feel the case is solid enough to convict.

You don't arrest someone and just say "the court will sort it all out"...only in fantasy land is that how things work.

Before you start saying the former DA is crooked (maybe)...consider this...the new DA hasn't had him arrested and charged yet either. Obviously the evidence in the case isn't so clear cut as some people claim it is.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[That's not how things work...maybe on CSI or something but in the real world the district attorney has to have the proper evidence before formally charging SEANMCAD

so when someone is pulled over drunk at night does the cop call the district attorney at home or page him?

Oh I know! we puts drunks in jail right off the street because they might harm someone, unlike someone who just fired a gun into someone elses body.

ok got it!

[QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[That's not how things work...maybe on CSI or something but in the real world the district attorney has to have the proper evidence before formally charging Renevent42

so when someone is pulled over drunk at night does the cop call the district attorney at home or page him?

Oh I know! we puts drunks in jail right off the street because they might harm someone, unlike someone who just fired a gun into someone elses body.

ok got it!

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

so when someone is pulled over drunk at night does the cop call the district attorney at home or page him?

Oh I know! we puts drunks in jail right off the street because they might harm someone, unlike someone who just fired a gun into someone elses body.

ok got it!

SEANMCAD

Fair enough so with that, when someone is taken to jail for being drunk at that time they are not actually 'arrested' correct?

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

so when someone is pulled over drunk at night does the cop call the district attorney at home or page him?

Oh I know! we puts drunks in jail right off the street because they might harm someone, unlike someone who just fired a gun into someone elses body.

ok got it!

-Sun_Tzu-

I do, thanks. Meanwhile the new prosecutor hasn't filed charges yet either...obviously not so clear cut is it?

Also just because he recused himself doesn't mean he was guilty of any mishandling or neglect...it could simply be since it had gotten such national attention, he wanted to ensure justice is carried out withouth any issues or perceived biases. He only stepped aside temporarily, too.

[QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

Everyone is 1 of three positions on this subject

1. Zimmerman is innocent

2. Travon is innocent.

3. the courts need to decide that.

Now I am of number 3. The thing is, when someone is arrested THEY ARE NOT CONVICTED, that is why we havea court system that is the whole idea.

So people who are saying Zimmerman should be arrested are NOT saying he is guilty, they are saying there is enough evidence to bring to trial a self defense case.

sonicare