55% of gamers are pc gamers? then why is pc treated like a step child....

[QUOTE="Terrorantula"]

Piracy

The people with machines powerful enough to play the new games which is like 5% of the population all pirate the games. So whose left to buy? lol noone because people who don't have a good pc will just buy it on 360.

sSubZerOo

Thats dumb conclusion.. Firstly your stereotyping and overgeneralizing making your point fall flat on its face. Secondly even if piracy ended there is no conclusion that the person would actually buy the game..

Also the reason why PC games are looked down upon for devs is the fact that when your sellign your game alot of times your not selling it to the entire population.. Look at crysis for instance.. Only a minority of people will actually buy it because the game requires so much..

And if you sell to the great common denominator you will lose appeal to people who want blazing technology. Blizzard of course is an enigma that seem to find a fine balance between the two.. So does Valve.

good post.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

Deihmos I think that you are correct when you say that PCs in stores generally do not have good video cards, but upgrading to a video card that is capable of running games is not that expensive, at least it is not expensive in my opinion. Upgrading to a card that can run games on max is expensive, considering that you are going to go for the DX10 route.

Deihmos

It's not expensive but not everyone is into upgrading. If the video cards that came with computers were better a lot more people would be playing PC games even if they had to lower the settings to bare minimum. That is one of the reasons I think Unreal was so popular since if you had a PC you could play it.

Lets not forget alot of people have little to no knowledge of computers.. Don't expect them to try to install a video card let alone buy one that is actually good.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Terrorantula"]

Piracy

The people with machines powerful enough to play the new games which is like 5% of the population all pirate the games. So whose left to buy? lol noone because people who don't have a good pc will just buy it on 360.

0_Wii_Man_0

Thats dumb conclusion.. Firstly your stereotyping and overgeneralizing making your point fall flat on its face. Secondly even if piracy ended there is no conclusion that the person would actually buy the game..

Also the reason why PC games are looked down upon for devs is the fact that when your sellign your game alot of times your not selling it to the entire population.. Look at crysis for instance.. Only a minority of people will actually buy it because the game requires so much..

And if you sell to the great common denominator you will lose appeal to people who want blazing technology. Blizzard of course is an enigma that seem to find a fine balance between the two.. So does Valve.

good post.

ppppfff at least we pc gamers if we are not happy with the game and what devs does with the game we pc gamers mod our content......good exmple ultimate alliance on pc

Just look at the charactors the mods came up with and found right in side of the game. While 360 had to pay for theirs LOL

Oh and another thing we pc gamers have direct access to game devs online so we can give ideas to them, In fact some game companies now have pr that talks to the game players..........pc game devs care about their players and treat them like human beings. Un like conoles game devs they take your money and forget about you the next day. lol

it goes to show that game devs only care about the money not about the players......I wonder why pc games are sooooo much better.

O wait I forgot sony and mirco soft are way too big to really care about there players and player base! they just want your money

Some exmaples of game companies that care and have direct access to game devs where gamers sare ideas with devs

Age of conan

GW

Wow

bio-ware

[QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="Decon116"]I hope us gamers come together and unite.Yes everyone loves to rip on Microsoft, but they are doing some good things as well. I hope cross platform takes off. Maybe then it wont be a question of PC vs. Console, but rather all gamers will be content with whatever system they choose to play on. Call me a sellout or whatever, but once Vista is worth a damn, I'll get it and I'll pay for crossplatform, cause thats how i want the gaming community run. In the end its about having fun... blowing up people on consoles who think they are better ;)SKOPY291

Yep it's all about having fun and that is all i ever cared about.

I agree. There is no reason to hate on each other. We all play games and we should all be supportive of the platforms in any shape:console or PC. Anything that moves and matures our hobby/industry can't be a bad thing. PC gamers should love the consoles because they've brought people who wouldn't normally play games into it. Console gamers should love the PC because they still offer different experiences that the consoles are just starting to get into. It is a cycle. Get along and stop trying to justify your purchases with some arbitrary feature. Every platform has its advantages and disadvantages. The most inportant thing here is just to understand that we are all here for one reason: to game.

The PC is beginning to not offer a different experience from the consoles. It's not that the consoles are becoming more like PC games, it's that the PC games are becoming like the consoles. I wouldn't have an issue with multiplatforming if it was the other way around, but unfortunately it's not. PC gaming is repeatedly drawing the short straw in multiplatform releases.

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Because 50% of that 55% own consoles aswell

Because 50% of that 55% own consoles aswell

DrDoomed

[QUOTE="SKOPY291"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="Decon116"]I hope us gamers come together and unite.Yes everyone loves to rip on Microsoft, but they are doing some good things as well. I hope cross platform takes off. Maybe then it wont be a question of PC vs. Console, but rather all gamers will be content with whatever system they choose to play on. Call me a sellout or whatever, but once Vista is worth a damn, I'll get it and I'll pay for crossplatform, cause thats how i want the gaming community run. In the end its about having fun... blowing up people on consoles who think they are better ;)smokeydabear076

Yep it's all about having fun and that is all i ever cared about.

I agree. There is no reason to hate on each other. We all play games and we should all be supportive of the platforms in any shape:console or PC. Anything that moves and matures our hobby/industry can't be a bad thing. PC gamers should love the consoles because they've brought people who wouldn't normally play games into it. Console gamers should love the PC because they still offer different experiences that the consoles are just starting to get into. It is a cycle. Get along and stop trying to justify your purchases with some arbitrary feature. Every platform has its advantages and disadvantages. The most inportant thing here is just to understand that we are all here for one reason: to game.

I double agree :)

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="SKOPY291"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="Decon116"]I hope us gamers come together and unite.Yes everyone loves to rip on Microsoft, but they are doing some good things as well. I hope cross platform takes off. Maybe then it wont be a question of PC vs. Console, but rather all gamers will be content with whatever system they choose to play on. Call me a sellout or whatever, but once Vista is worth a damn, I'll get it and I'll pay for crossplatform, cause thats how i want the gaming community run. In the end its about having fun... blowing up people on consoles who think they are better ;)indzman

Yep it's all about having fun and that is all i ever cared about.

I agree. There is no reason to hate on each other. We all play games and we should all be supportive of the platforms in any shape:console or PC. Anything that moves and matures our hobby/industry can't be a bad thing. PC gamers should love the consoles because they've brought people who wouldn't normally play games into it. Console gamers should love the PC because they still offer different experiences that the consoles are just starting to get into. It is a cycle. Get along and stop trying to justify your purchases with some arbitrary feature. Every platform has its advantages and disadvantages. The most inportant thing here is just to understand that we are all here for one reason: to game.

I double agree :)

Many PC gamers own consoles as well. The statistics probably overlap quite a bit.

paul1290

Because consoles are where the money is these days and many PC gamers are also console gamers (I am).

This upgrading thing on pcs kills pcs. Developers need to make only one gaming pc so people buy that and they make all the games for it. Xbox 360 is cheap than gaming pcs and fun to play , not crushin. If you dont have a 8800 gtx card , it's like you cannot play any games no more. All the new games needs high requirements like 8800 gtx to play well. I got x1300 , 1gb ram, 3ghz p4 but i cannot even play games no more. I started buyin old games and play'em. SO this upgrade new graphics card everyday is not good for pc. It totally kills pc gaming. Xbox 360 $400, but 8800 gtx just the graphics card $600. Think about that.

This upgrading thing on pcs kills pcs. Developers need to make only one gaming pc so people buy that and they make all the games for it. Xbox 360 is cheap than gaming pcs and fun to play , not crushin. If you dont have a 8800 gtx card , it's like you cannot play any games no more. All the new games needs high requirements like 8800 gtx to play well. I got x1300 , 1gb ram, 3ghz p4 but i cannot even play games no more. I started buyin old games and play'em. SO this upgrade new graphics card everyday is not good for pc. It totally kills pc gaming. Xbox 360 $400, but 8800 gtx just the graphics card $600. Think about that.

mert15_2004

The X1300 is FAR FAR from being a 8800 and costs less than 100$... how can you expect to play the latest games with it? I somewhat agree with you that pc gaming is more expensive but my curent system should hold up for 2-3 years and cost me 1300$.

by developers/publishers? why is 360 the priority for most fps these days? why did epic make gears for 360 and not pc first? ect ect? http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173525.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;1 is that 55% pc gamer mostly solitaire gamers? where can i find out how many copies of cod 2(pc) sold vs. cod 2(360) for example?joykills

LOL, what are you talking about? The PC has ALWAYS been given first priority for FPS games (you know, ESPECIALLY FPS games). First person shooters, BEGAN, on the PC. It'll always be better on the PC anyway. Mouse/keyboard over clunky controller and awkward thumbsticks anyday.

[QUOTE="joykills"]by developers/publishers? why is 360 the priority for most fps these days? why did epic make gears for 360 and not pc first? ect ect? http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173525.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;1 is that 55% pc gamer mostly solitaire gamers? where can i find out how many copies of cod 2(pc) sold vs. cod 2(360) for example?Skullheart

LOL, what are you talking about? The PC has ALWAYS been given first priority for FPS games (you know, ESPECIALLY FPS games). First person shooters, BEGAN, on the PC. It'll always be better on the PC anyway. Mouse/keyboard over clunky controller and awkward thumbsticks anyday.

I'm still sticking with the fact that ALOt of people on PC pirate rather than buy the game and i know alot of publishers will agree. Thats why PC gaming is swaying towards the online and more so mmorpgs because you cant pirate it and mass profits involved.Terrorantula

"Piracy is hard. It's really -- from my opinion, destroying the PC market. ... when you look out there at the number of games that are getting pirated, it is just devastating. It's the primary reason retailers are moving to the console. It's something that's on every PC developer's mind -- on how to reduce [piracy]. Because, if you like the PC, you hate to see it fall lower and lower down."id Software co-owner Kevin Cloud

"... the problem that this industry faces above all else is the piracy. There is about seventy-percent of the landmass of the world where you can't sell games in a legitimate market, because pirates will beat you to the shelves with your own game. ... you may literally have more games being played illegitimately than being played legitimately. So when you're giving up that much market to people who aren't paying for the games, or who are buying the games in ways in which the developers aren't getting paid for it, it creates a big challenge. Not only for the developers and publishers. But also for retailers, because they have to make bets when they buy their game inventory."id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead

When you have a $7.4B industry (2006) that's losing an estimated $2-3B lost due to piracy, and that only counts the internet piracy, you can easily see why someone would move to the consoles. Hell, as much as I love PC gaming there's no way I'd choose to develop for it over the consoles. It's financially retarded.

CRYSIS

all of I have to say

No other game will match this

Mmm... I think we should wait two or three years and everything will be quite different from now. All games will be made for DirectX 10 and we will have much more powerful PCs than we have now. PS3 and Xbox360 are now the so called "next-gen", but PCs have already better hardware and once DX10 and multicore processing is fully implemented PCs will be really next-gen and console owners will be stuck with their hardware for many years.

What happens now to PC gaming happens everytime a new console generation appears, but after sometime the novelty vanishes and PC gaming becames more prominent. It is a completely cyclical market.

What is good is that PC market has been here for many years unlikely consoles that lasts for only a few years. Many people will be enjoying their Wii and PS3 in let's say four years from now, but then PC games again will rule as much as they did before.

Anyway there's lots of reasons to be optimistic right now and in the near future: The Sims 2, Sam and Max, Crysis, Fallout 3, Starcraft 2, Alan Wake... And while it's truth that some will be in consoles as well, but PCs can always look, sound and play better.

Long live PC gaming!

Why arent there so many games for PC in comparison to console?

1. Periferals, Not all PC users have an analog controler. And most dont have the best Mouse to play with. If I had to create a Plataform/Racing or a Adventure type game for PC I would then have the dificulty to deal with if the users have a analog controler and if they do wich one. Compatibility with Periferals can be a bit issue... imagine if all PCs had the Wii Controls as a standard default setup. Easy to deal right? That is why most PC games are FFS, MMO, Simulators and Strategy.

2. Hardware and Software compability, All Computers are diferent, even if you buy two identical pcs but used by diferent users in a matter of time both will run with diferent softwares and versions of their particular softwares. Is everything up to date? is the Graphics card softwareup to date? Operating System software up to date?Every game that is released for pc their chances are that they have at least to release a patch to cover errors graphically or other causing crashes. Making a PC game its not easy, you got to as well think will you make the hardcore game for hardcore players? (example crysis) or will you make the for everyone compatible game so everyone can play? (WoW) Every pc is diferent but the game has to work in every PC (at least the company sucks and they give a damn about the customers) And think about some games are as well done for Apple.

3. Hardware "update", The hardware changes all the time with PC, a new procesor is released, a new memory ram is released, a new GRAPHICS CARD IS RELEASED, honestly some times I think they release a new Graphics card every month or two between Ati and Nvidia. Imagine if you where a hardcore player, most of em buy a new graphics card a year... and that is expensive. If you knew a new released game was not worthed to play because you dont have a decent Graphics card you would not buy the game. Now PCs get updated all the time. With consoles is a once buy and compatible to a five year life spawn if you buy the console in the first year and does not end up "a la" Dreamcast.... Not everyone can spend 300-1000 dollars a year just to update their system to play 4-6 new games its crazy.

4.Piracy, Imagine that you take all your dedication and effort, money and time to make a fantastic game rated 7.5 to 9.9 and the sales are reduced 25% or morebecause everyone that has some knoledge with PCs and Internet can download your game in a touch (and then shared with their friends or sold for $5 at work/school). Some expetise with some P2P server, Bit torrent or Mirc and your game can be played in and pc for free with no hastle. Its even easier than buying in a internet shop or going to your games shop and spending the money. This is a very big issue and most games that dont have any online multiplayer and consist of a Single player campaign are released in Consoles for this reason. Thank god that I have some respect for the Creators because if not every single PC game I would have would be pirated as I only use piracy to try games. If I really like it I buy it. If not I simply delete it.

5.Dedication, Most PC gamers they dedicate their life to one game and hardly get out to play other games, for example, Warcraft (wow or WC3) Diablo, Counter Strike, any weird online Rpg or such. What about Sims? Sims 2? Starcraft?They simply get stuck with one game and dont play anything else, while Console there is more diversity and even do they are games that you can play for like ever (GTA or FF) people do get sick and then go around playing other games.

Are there any more reasons? hell I would not make games for PC for sure at least it was a very good pc game that everyone would buy... (thank you blizzard)

Let me know if I am wrong I will be back!

CRYSIS

all of I have to say

No other game will match this

GameGuy642003

lol

Why arent there so many games for PC in comparison to console?

1. Periferals, Not all PC users have an analog controler. And most dont have the best Mouse to play with. If I had to create a Plataform/Racing or a Adventure type game for PC I would then have the dificulty to deal with if the users have a analog controler and if they do wich one. Compatibility with Periferals can be a bit issue... imagine if all PCs had the Wii Controls as a standard default setup. Easy to deal right? That is why most PC games are FFS, MMO, Simulators and Strategy.

2. Hardware and Software compability, All Computers are diferent, even if you buy two identical pcs but used by diferent users in a matter of time both will run with diferent softwares and versions of their particular softwares. Is everything up to date? is the Graphics card softwareup to date? Operating System software up to date?Every game that is released for pc their chances are that they have at least to release a patch to cover errors graphically or other causing crashes. Making a PC game its not easy, you got to as well think will you make the hardcore game for hardcore players? (example crysis) or will you make the for everyone compatible game so everyone can play? (WoW) Every pc is diferent but the game has to work in every PC (at least the company sucks and they give a damn about the customers) And think about some games are as well done for Apple.

3. Hardware "update", The hardware changes all the time with PC, a new procesor is released, a new memory ram is released, a new GRAPHICS CARD IS RELEASED, honestly some times I think they release a new Graphics card every month or two between Ati and Nvidia. Imagine if you where a hardcore player, most of em buy a new graphics card a year... and that is expensive. If you knew a new released game was not worthed to play because you dont have a decent Graphics card you would not buy the game. Now PCs get updated all the time. With consoles is a once buy and compatible to a five year life spawn if you buy the console in the first year and does not end up "a la" Dreamcast.... Not everyone can spend 300-1000 dollars a year just to update their system to play 4-6 new games its crazy.

4.Piracy, Imagine that you take all your dedication and effort, money and time to make a fantastic game rated 7.5 to 9.9 and the sales are reduced 25% or morebecause everyone that has some knoledge with PCs and Internet can download your game in a touch (and then shared with their friends or sold for $5 at work/school). Some expetise with some P2P server, Bit torrent or Mirc and your game can be played in and pc for free with no hastle. Its even easier than buying in a internet shop or going to your games shop and spending the money. This is a very big issue and most games that dont have any online multiplayer and consist of a Single player campaign are released in Consoles for this reason. Thank god that I have some respect for the Creators because if not every single PC game I would have would be pirated as I only use piracy to try games. If I really like it I buy it. If not I simply delete it.

5.Dedication, Most PC gamers they dedicate their life to one game and hardly get out to play other games, for example, Warcraft (wow or WC3) Diablo, Counter Strike, any weird online Rpg or such. What about Sims? Sims 2? Starcraft?They simply get stuck with one game and dont play anything else, while Console there is more diversity and even do they are games that you can play for like ever (GTA or FF) people do get sick and then go around playing other games.

Are there any more reasons? hell I would not make games for PC for sure at least it was a very good pc game that everyone would buy... (thank you blizzard)

Let me know if I am wrong I will be back!

2w-sephiroth

did you rknow console games can also be hacked. better yet they can be made to play on pc but theose games still suck compared to pc....almost all console games are junk!

[QUOTE="Skullheart"]

[QUOTE="joykills"]by developers/publishers? why is 360 the priority for most fps these days? why did epic make gears for 360 and not pc first? ect ect? http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173525.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;1 is that 55% pc gamer mostly solitaire gamers? where can i find out how many copies of cod 2(pc) sold vs. cod 2(360) for example?sircyrus

LOL, what are you talking about? The PC has ALWAYS been given first priority for FPS games (you know, ESPECIALLY FPS games). First person shooters, BEGAN, on the PC. It'll always be better on the PC anyway. Mouse/keyboard over clunky controller and awkward thumbsticks anyday.

Makes sense to me.

Pirating is being flown around like it is a major problem. Thing is, it isn't as bad as it has ever been, it's just the companys are becoming more and more greedy, and by that follows the exaggeration of the used term of "Piracy". Piracy is not an issue, cause most people do not know how to use it. And if 55% of the gaming market is PC owners, I can guarentee that less the 5% of them know how to pirate, it is only a handful that have the capabilities to do so.

Ignorance is a bliss, and when you start to go and believe everything you are told, then you will surely fall behind in the food chain, and become nothing good for but dog food.

Another thing is, Crysis is overhyped. I don't own any console, cause im a PC gamer, cause of upcoming titles like Alan Wake and Bioshock, but I also love PC's for the modability of a game and the other uses. But Crysis, is gonna be like STALKER. You see people, people like you disgusting beings, who overhype crysis or other games, are the reason why so many games get a bad rating. Cause when you overhype something, you will most likely not hit the hype, cause the hype grows larger then the game, and thus, the game becomes a pile compared to the hype. It happens all the time, a game is hyped, game obviously does not meet the hype that people created, then is considered a failure in the market.

That is why we do not see much to upcoming titles like Alan Wake. Cause they are aware of the stupid fools like many of you out there, willing to take a great upcoming title, overhype it, get people going on it, then quickly shoot it down cause it did not meet the hype created by the fools.

Crysis looks like just prettyness, and nothing really much else. I am sick of aliens and killing koreans, and the AI may be so-called advance (hah, people overhyped fear like that) and may have great graphics, but I bet it will not get as good as a score cause people will **** how bad the gameplay was, or how something was stupid.

Maybe this is why PC gaming is dying, cause there are so many noobs who overhype PC games, and then ruin it for the company, as they get a bad rating from everyone.

Pirating is being flown around like it is a major problem. Thing is, it isn't as bad as it has ever been, it's just the companys are becoming more and more greedy, and by that follows the exaggeration of the used term of "Piracy". Piracy is not an issue, cause most people do not know how to use it.

sepheronX

I am sure everyone that knows how to upgrade a video card knows how to pirate a game.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

CRYSIS

all of I have to say

No other game will match this

mnk622

lol

Unfortunatly this means little to me. I have no interest in upgrading my PC to get the most out of this game. Nor doI love the idea that WoW is thewar cry of every PC gamer that thesystem isn't running low on creativity..."just look at Warcraft and how well it's doing... PC gaming is thriving not dieing." This is just one great games and to meit seems a bit of a lackluster policy on boards andsome publicationsto rely on one point of potential failure or successto justify a point.

more then half of pc gamers arnt really gamers cuz all they do is hack the games and try selling there crap on differnt websites, im just a pc gamerslauterer911

the best games come from pc, "must" things done on concles will be junk. Any concle game can be made to play on pcwho would want to pirate a concole game it's junk any way!

don't have any clue why they 1st making the games on lame consoles and then on PC

if i could i would buy PS, Xbox, Nintendo companies and destroy them

1st PC's have been around just as long as the first console was out.

2. Consoles and PC's have advantages and disadvantages.

The PC has been treated very well in the past and has had various slumps, and right now its because everyone is jumping on the bandwagon of the console gaming because 'its cheaper' when in reality its almost as expensive as buying a new comp or upgrading an existing one.

Lets see the PS3 was around 600 dollars or higher when it was released and suffered big time from short supply and theft and a few bugs.

The Xbox 360 had a lack of titles out for it so it didn't hit off as quickly but picked up soon with the release of Call of Duty 2 because it was an Xbox 360 title that the PC gamers got the shaft on.

the Wii launch was the most successfuland was able to sell quickly at its nice attractive price 200 dollars i beleive and the only draw back on that was the wrist thing and the graphics capabilities.

Lets see a bit of Console vs PC.

Everytime a new Console comes out you have to buy a whole new system vs just swapping out parts for a PC. The upside is the console and can perform at a steady rate but also can suffer from overheating because of the amount of hardware in the little tiny box.

PC's maintenance can be easily fixed if you are a smart buyer and what I mean by that is you do the research find the parts you want for the best price and wahla your system can last quite awhile with every couple years or so a swap of parts out here and there or if something gets physically damaged which if you are vigilant won't happen.

PC games have a tendency to get cheaper overtime but ive seen console game titles stay up in the high pricey range way longer than a PC game title.

Fact: PC gaming will not die its just natural that consoles have slumps and sometimes the PC has slumps big whoop get over it and you shouldn't be disappointed because there are plenty of games on the way that are going to be wonderful for the PC the slump is over!

So to sum it up console vs PC they can be just as expensive once you buy all the stuff you need or want for the console and PC. So cost is pretty close. Gaming style well some games are designed for the Consoles and some are not just the way it is. If you pay attention to developers you can keep track of who tends to do better work on what type of game

In my opinion PC games are easier to play the keyboard and mouse will always be able to ace any console player just because the controls are more user friendly. I have also played the console dating back to the 1st Nintendo all the way up to the current stuff. I like the Playstation more than the Xbox just because of the controller style isn't so hard on the hands.

So everyone quit crying about the PC is being treated like a stepchild and do some research its being treated just fine except by LUCASARTS because they decided to give you console guys the new STAR WARS?!?!?!? :(

thats my rant keep it real guys

Id also have to agree that most console games are junk they are made quickly just to make a buck but the PC as of late has been suffering from that but things are changing the community is communicating back and gettin fed up with the crap thats why all these new looking games that are coming out are taking awhile because they want it to be worthwhile if you need an example look at Unreal Tournament 3 thats been announced since like late 2005 early 2006 and its still not set on a definite date.

Ok, I get the point that both PCs and Consoles can be pirated but come on... its way easier to pirate a Pc game than a Console game and have much more complications with a pirated game on console than on PC. When I say that piracy is another issue its because its real easy to pirate games on PC.

Anyways I dont care, I will get PS3 for sure and maybe 360 if they have 3 or 4 games that I may go weee. For now I will stick with the Wii and PS3 and with the boring PC games I can get :P

Why arent there so many games for PC in comparison to console?

1. Periferals, Not all PC users have an analog controler. And most dont have the best Mouse to play with. If I had to create a Plataform/Racing or a Adventure type game for PC I would then have the dificulty to deal with if the users have a analog controler and if they do wich one. Compatibility with Periferals can be a bit issue... imagine if all PCs had the Wii Controls as a standard default setup. Easy to deal right? That is why most PC games are FFS, MMO, Simulators and Strategy.

2. Hardware and Software compability, All Computers are diferent, even if you buy two identical pcs but used by diferent users in a matter of time both will run with diferent softwares and versions of their particular softwares. Is everything up to date? is the Graphics card softwareup to date? Operating System software up to date?Every game that is released for pc their chances are that they have at least to release a patch to cover errors graphically or other causing crashes. Making a PC game its not easy, you got to as well think will you make the hardcore game for hardcore players? (example crysis) or will you make the for everyone compatible game so everyone can play? (WoW) Every pc is diferent but the game has to work in every PC (at least the company sucks and they give a damn about the customers) And think about some games are as well done for Apple.

3. Hardware "update", The hardware changes all the time with PC, a new procesor is released, a new memory ram is released, a new GRAPHICS CARD IS RELEASED, honestly some times I think they release a new Graphics card every month or two between Ati and Nvidia. Imagine if you where a hardcore player, most of em buy a new graphics card a year... and that is expensive. If you knew a new released game was not worthed to play because you dont have a decent Graphics card you would not buy the game. Now PCs get updated all the time. With consoles is a once buy and compatible to a five year life spawn if you buy the console in the first year and does not end up "a la" Dreamcast.... Not everyone can spend 300-1000 dollars a year just to update their system to play 4-6 new games its crazy.

4.Piracy, Imagine that you take all your dedication and effort, money and time to make a fantastic game rated 7.5 to 9.9 and the sales are reduced 25% or morebecause everyone that has some knoledge with PCs and Internet can download your game in a touch (and then shared with their friends or sold for $5 at work/school). Some expetise with some P2P server, Bit torrent or Mirc and your game can be played in and pc for free with no hastle. Its even easier than buying in a internet shop or going to your games shop and spending the money. This is a very big issue and most games that dont have any online multiplayer and consist of a Single player campaign are released in Consoles for this reason. Thank god that I have some respect for the Creators because if not every single PC game I would have would be pirated as I only use piracy to try games. If I really like it I buy it. If not I simply delete it.

5.Dedication, Most PC gamers they dedicate their life to one game and hardly get out to play other games, for example, Warcraft (wow or WC3) Diablo, Counter Strike, any weird online Rpg or such. What about Sims? Sims 2? Starcraft?They simply get stuck with one game and dont play anything else, while Console there is more diversity and even do they are games that you can play for like ever (GTA or FF) people do get sick and then go around playing other games.

Are there any more reasons? hell I would not make games for PC for sure at least it was a very good pc game that everyone would buy... (thank you blizzard)

Let me know if I am wrong I will be back!

2w-sephiroth

Well id say you have some half truths in here

for one thing

2 major CPUdevelopers INTEL and AMD so theres not alot of difference you either have INTEL or AMD

2 major GPU developers ATI and NVIDIA so not hard to find anything for these either

Piracy?!?! wtf give me a break the companies making games out there have been cracking down on that stuff for years now making it harder and harder for people to play the games at all or if you can you can only use the SP side of it without any functional MP because people are too lazy to by a 40 to 50 dollar game.

Peripherals wtf are you talking about most PC users have a mouse and keyboard and maybe a joystick for flying hardly anyone uses a gamepad out there because they aren't that popular with PC users thats why people by a PC for the mouse, keyboard interface.

Dedication to a single game doesn't that show that they support the company that made it and like their games? So thats a good thing and PC gamers have a wide diversity of games to play from and there are more people playing different games out there than you know about just because they aren't logged on xfire recording minutes played doesn't mean jack.

Hardware updates take awhile its definitely not every 2 to 3 months or no one would be going anywhere because your console systems would be upgraded along with our PC's because guess what a console is! Its a mini computer with different peripherals thats about it. The newer consoles have either intel, nvidia, amd, or ati parts in them for sure!

Compatibility isn't that hard to correct if someone does the research and most configurations have few problems in this regard and software updating is necessary everything has bugs including consoles so quit trying to light the console as a perfect machine because they are not even close.

Most PC games these days have adequate piracy protection especially for online gaming (eg. Half Life 2, CS:Source). In fact, sometimes pirating software is giving free advertising for the product. Just look at Adobe Photoshop. They have said they don't mind their software being pirated because it gives their product more exposure, and if people want to buy a legitimate copy they will. The same goes for PC games.

It's a pretty lame excuse to move to consoles because of piracy. If it's a good game it will sell anyway no matter how much it gets pirated.

[QUOTE="DrDoomed"]

Because 50% of that 55% own consoles aswell

blackdreamhunk

What?

Thats the way it is. You'd think consoles are taking over but really they are not even mass market. Windows has no competition.

PC is where all the innovation happens.

We had online gaming before console players even dreamed of it.

We have the best FPS games, and NOTHING comes close to a mouse and keyboard for controls. Sorry consolers, especially Wii owners (btw you look retarded while using it, the real amusement there comes from the bystanders laughing at you).

We have REAL mature, competitive gaming events. Leagues like the CPL have been around for many long years before consolers even knew it existed.

Theres a real artistry to some PC developers such as Blizzard that the console market will never have. Great PC games tend to have HUGE longetivity while even the best console games havea less than a week lifespan. And that short replay value of console games is no mistake, its business generating business. A game like, say, World of Warcraft, would kill console profits because players will simply ignore everything else for a very very long time.

Granted, consoles are accessible and high end PC's are simply not. But my Alienware Area-51 with dual 8800's says "screw all of you!... peons!".

Serious gamers take gaming... well... seriously. And if you want to get serious, go get yourself a decent PC.

This upgrading thing on pcs kills pcs. Developers need to make only one gaming pc so people buy that and they make all the games for it. Xbox 360 is cheap than gaming pcs and fun to play , not crushin. If you dont have a 8800 gtx card , it's like you cannot play any games no more. All the new games needs high requirements like 8800 gtx to play well. I got x1300 , 1gb ram, 3ghz p4 but i cannot even play games no more. I started buyin old games and play'em. SO this upgrade new graphics card everyday is not good for pc. It totally kills pc gaming. Xbox 360 $400, but 8800 gtx just the graphics card $600. Think about that.

mert15_2004

are u speaking some alien language there?? lol

[QUOTE="mert15_2004"]

This upgrading thing on pcs kills pcs. Developers need to make only one gaming pc so people buy that and they make all the games for it. Xbox 360 is cheap than gaming pcs and fun to play , not crushin. If you dont have a 8800 gtx card , it's like you cannot play any games no more. All the new games needs high requirements like 8800 gtx to play well. I got x1300 , 1gb ram, 3ghz p4 but i cannot even play games no more. I started buyin old games and play'em. SO this upgrade new graphics card everyday is not good for pc. It totally kills pc gaming. Xbox 360 $400, but 8800 gtx just the graphics card $600. Think about that.

mega_deth

are u speaking some alien language there?? lol

Thats BS, you don't need a $600 videocard to run anything... you could run any game on a card a third of the price and on the highest, if not near the highest settings. And people need computers more than consoles, the net, music, messenger, their work. Id say more poeple have far more capable machines than they realise sitting in their homes.

anX1300isthePCI-Eofthe9300, which competed with the geforce MX440, of course you can't run alot of games post 2005. Your card is a console generation old, but you could still play HL2 and it would look better than the Xbox version.

PC is where all the innovation happens.

We had online gaming before console players even dreamed of it.

We have the best FPS games, and NOTHING comes close to a mouse and keyboard for controls. Sorry consolers, especially Wii owners (btw you look retarded while using it, the real amusement there comes from the bystanders laughing at you).

We have REAL mature, competitive gaming events. Leagues like the CPL have been around for many long years before consolers even knew it existed.

Theres a real artistry to some PC developers such as Blizzard that the console market will never have. Great PC games tend to have HUGE longetivity while even the best console games havea less than a week lifespan. And that short replay value of console games is no mistake, its business generating business. A game like, say, World of Warcraft, would kill console profits because players will simply ignore everything else for a very very long time.

Granted, consoles are accessible and high end PC's are simply not. But my Alienware Area-51 with dual 8800's says "screw all of you!... peons!".

Serious gamers take gaming... well... seriously. And if you want to get serious, go get yourself a decent PC.

schitzonix

Actually, serious gamers enjoy all great games.

As for artistry in games, console games have an overwhelming edge in this regard. Games like Okami, Shadow of the Collosus, and Ico have no match on pc.

It seems to me you're pretty biased when it comes to gaming. That's a good way to miss out on a ton of great games

[QUOTE="mnk622"][QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

CRYSIS

all of I have to say

No other game will match this

SKOPY291

lol

Unfortunatly this means little to me. I have no interest in upgrading my PC to get the most out of this game. Nor doI love the idea that WoW is thewar cry of every PC gamer that thesystem isn't running low on creativity..."just look at Warcraft and how well it's doing... PC gaming is thriving not dieing." This is just one great games and to meit seems a bit of a lackluster policy on boards andsome publicationsto rely on one point of potential failure or successto justify a point.

hell i dont care, this game is gonna be pimp and i just want to see the look on the console players faces when this game blows away everything, graphics wise and maybe gameplay wise who knows.

[QUOTE="SKOPY291"][QUOTE="mnk622"][QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

CRYSIS

all of I have to say

No other game will match this

GameGuy642003

lol

Unfortunatly this means little to me. I have no interest in upgrading my PC to get the most out of this game. Nor doI love the idea that WoW is thewar cry of every PC gamer that thesystem isn't running low on creativity..."just look at Warcraft and how well it's doing... PC gaming is thriving not dieing." This is just one great games and to meit seems a bit of a lackluster policy on boards andsome publicationsto rely on one point of potential failure or successto justify a point.

hell i dont care, this game is gonna be pimp and i just want to see the look on the console players faces when this game blows away everything, graphics wise and maybe gameplay wise who knows.

You know...... lotsa people play both pc AND console games..... it's crazy I know.....

Consoles are for the younger crowds... and for the ones without deep wallets.

And I disagree. Theres absolutely NO innovation in console gaming. And I have owned a PS2 and a 360... dust collectors. My analysis is not biased, its the result of two decades of both console and computer gaming...

ANYONE with a decent computer will be playing on the PC 99% time over consoles.

It is only now that console gaming is starting to catch up in terms of artistry, but DEFINETLY not in terms of innovation, that is the PC only... You keep playing your same metroid's, metal gear, mario, zelda's, devil may cry, resident evil... and every other game thats been the same for 20 years. You keep buying the same games, i'll stick to REAL competitive gaming, which by the way, you forgot to mention and just rambled on about the supposed artistry in console games.

Console games are disposable. Even Gears of War, and thats a damn good one. So much for longetivity.