again REDESIGN, i realize it might not have performance increases now, but the future is very bright for it, also nothing is using any of the new instruction sets, so again we are looking at it with a lopsided view. So we got a first edition redesign that might not be as fast for we were hoping for but is a good dev/work chip for threaded environments if you don't want to spend the extrea 60 dollas on a core i7 for the multi threaded goodness. Its not like this is a bad chip at all, priced accordingly.[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
I know that it's not all about the games, but the fact remains that Bulldozer is too weak clock-for-clock to show any significant advantages over the current Intel competition in the same price range in other apps as well. There really aren't many environments where this chip can be recommended over a 2500k or 2600k. By the time AMD's architecture might start to show some advantages, the current generation of chips will be obsolete and long-gone. They jumped the gun and got too ambitious IMO. They forgot to make the chip function well enough in current apps.
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It's sad that they weren't able to make this chip perform better in more CURRENT apps and specifically games. There are stock Phenom II X4s that can beat this chip in some apps. Doesn't that seem like a bit of an issue, considering that Phenom II X4s are essentially AMD Core 2 Quads? Seriously.. Somebody with a Q6600 overclocked to 3.5ghz or so can beat this chip in some games. That's just sad. The right way to make a chip is to make one that performs well in the apps that are out at release. This may be a decent workstation chip, but it's certainly not what most of us were hoping/waiting for.
no it doesn't seem like an issue, its a fundamental redesign of their chip, there are new instruction sets that aren't being used... so agin there isn't enough data to really show what its capable of. new doesn't always mean better, it just can fit a market better, which amd is aiming directly at the low end consumers, even there market slides pointed out the average desktop bought is under 700 now, vs 700-1500. This is a decent chip, its designed to work with eyefinity and amd technologies, they are making a apu version of this soon. Its apparent the apu market is where they want to go, head first, all in, so we'll have an 8 core chip that supports 6 monitors? thats dev enviroment written all over it, work stations, any type of content creation. And its not exactly a bad gaming cpu, and once games come out optimized for it supporting the new instruction addons it will likely paint a different picture. DX11 is supporting threading now at the driver level, this is something that may benefit bulldozer heavily in gaming and bf3 is allegedly going to be the first to use it,
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