I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am with Bulldozer. :(
AMD Bulldozer review by Guru3d is up.
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the P II's are obsolete, something else out there exists thats better than them, heck clock for clock the C2Q's are faster. all 3 generations of te i7/15's are faster clock for clock. right now unless you are on a extreme budget you shouldnt buy one brand new. and if you do that you wouldnt own a dual card setup. you would have to be a blind fanboy to buy a new P II setup for a dual card setup. P II's were built to go against the C2Q's because the PI's failed at this. by the time games use quad core( or more) better, the phenom II's will look like the Phenom I's look now, NO one wants one, and this is even worse for bulldozer.[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"]
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No, I read your post, it's you that didn't read or comprehend mine.
Dual card set up means 60+ FPS in the majority of cases. Which can be achieved through a PII or any better CPU. Yes this is when the CPU becomes the "bottleneck". But are you really going to say not to get a PII in this case? When it clearly DOMINATES the game, even though it may not clearly be the best? Why do you think a PII isn't good enough? Just because it's old?
Future high end GPUs? No, that's where I told you to focus your attention instead to the progression of games ultilizing more and more cores. I'll repeat myself just because you seem like you have alot of steam in you to not carefully read over my post - games are JSUT starting to ultilize quad cores. Thus mainstream quads such as the PII will NOT be obsolete for a long time to come, which is probably when hte next gen consoles roll around.
Just because it was a rant doesn't mean it was a pointless post that I just spat spontateously.
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And by the time the software comes, both Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge will be irrelevant.
There are really only 2 generations of i5/i7. The i7's made for LGA 1156 weren't really a new generation. Clock for clock they're basically the same as the original LGA 1366 Nehalem i7's.
The term "obsolete" usually indicates that a product no longer serves it's practical purpose. That can't be said of the Phenom II. In fact any Phenom II X4 over around 3ghz can run any game well, and won't be a significant bottleneck to any single gpu in the VAST majority of games. They are still going strong. The fact that you can buy a 955 or 965 for $115 to $140 and a supporting motherboard for dirt cheap tells me that the platform is still a very viable option for people on limited budgets. The i3 Sandy Bridge dual-cores are equal to or faster than these chips at stock in most games, but we know that the X4 pulls away in games that are heavily-threaded. They will ultimately be better suited to handling the games of the next 2-3 years because of this.
for the high end gamer though, you will have a dual card setup. I highly doubt many people will be using P II's in 2-3 years(they came out in December 2008 ) but then again some people have first/second gen conroes still (my friend has one and plans on getting SB for Skyrim) like I said by the time the software catches up these CPU's will be irrelevant. just like the Phenom I is right now, lets take a poll of how many people still have one of those? I forsee the same fate for bulldozer, but I could be wrong.Bulldozer isnt a cheap CPU, and is around the same price as SB so there are no cost savings.
I dont know how this turrned into a discussion about P II's when it is about Bulldozer, my beef is with that, not P II's, because I said Bulldozer/P II's bottleneck a decent SLI/Crossfire setup I got this.... doesnt matter how much the bottleneck is, a bottleneck is a bottleneck.
this is truely pathetic:
Like I said I owned a P II, it wasnt pathetic, but something else was quite a bit better out, and I usually upgrade when there is (if its in my budget) so thats why I got the 2500K.
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