and what happens if GW2 fails...?

Well if it's like that, for me personally it failed, I don't like anything about its gameplay, if I could I'd pay for a instant full level character to easily explore the world because that's all I intend to do in GW, I don't care about the lore, the quests, raids, dungeons, w/e, I just want to explore it since a few zones from the trailer were extremely interesting.DanielDust

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] If Aion wasn't about to become a f2p game i'd agree with you. PC360Wii

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Well if it's like that, for me personally it failed, I don't like anything about its gameplay, if I could I'd pay for a instant full level character to easily explore the world because that's all I intend to do in GW, I don't care about the lore, the quests, raids, dungeons, w/e, I just want to explore it since a few zones from the trailer were extremely interesting.FelipeInside

Just a note, when I say fail I don't compare it to WoW since that is just stupid for a myriad of reasons I shouldn't have to list.

It can't fail in the conventional sense. A lot of the reasons I hear for people not going back to an MMO is they don't feel the sub is worth the money. Remove having to pay to get back into the game and there will be a much higher retention rate. There will also be a lot of people who play it simply because they paid for it and have nothing else to play (the younger demographic).

As for the game itself I think it is going to have to screw up pretty bad to fail. The large amounts of game that people have played looked good and the only complaints I've heard boil down to 'it isn't WoW'. Now there is a chance that the game could be another Age of Conan with its infamous bait and switch but Arena Net hasn't botched up every single multiplayer release like Funcom has.

Guys, sorry if I didn't express myself correctly. I too don't think GW2 will fail in numbers/players, like all of you have said, just the sheer amount of dedicated GW fans will keep it alive. I was more worried about the actual game and gameplay. I praise the devs for trying all these new things, but it could backfire on them?FelipeInside

so basically you are saying developers shouldn't try new things for fear of failing? that is what drove people to this gaming stagnation in the first place, with every single mmorpg trying to copy wow and fps trying to copy cod, i would buy the game just to supporti them for trying new things, i dislike these copy paste developers we have in this generation

It just takes some videos and interviews and some analysis to know if you are gonna like it or not.

i personally think what they have done so far with the game is awesome, but its personal opinion.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Guys, sorry if I didn't express myself correctly. I too don't think GW2 will fail in numbers/players, like all of you have said, just the sheer amount of dedicated GW fans will keep it alive. I was more worried about the actual game and gameplay. I praise the devs for trying all these new things, but it could backfire on them?Krelian-co

so basically you are saying developers shouldn't try new things for fear of failing? that is what drove people to this gaming stagnation in the first place, with every single mmorpg trying to copy wow and fps trying to copy cod, i would buy the game just to supporti them for trying new things, i dislike these copy paste developers we have in this generation

It just takes some videos and interviews and some analysis to know if you are gonna like it or not.

i personally think what they have done so far with the game is awesome, but its personal opinion.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Guys, sorry if I didn't express myself correctly. I too don't think GW2 will fail in numbers/players, like all of you have said, just the sheer amount of dedicated GW fans will keep it alive. I was more worried about the actual game and gameplay. I praise the devs for trying all these new things, but it could backfire on them?FelipeInside

so basically you are saying developers shouldn't try new things for fear of failing? that is what drove people to this gaming stagnation in the first place, with every single mmorpg trying to copy wow and fps trying to copy cod, i would buy the game just to supporti them for trying new things, i dislike these copy paste developers we have in this generation

It just takes some videos and interviews and some analysis to know if you are gonna like it or not.

i personally think what they have done so far with the game is awesome, but its personal opinion.

or they can copy succesful things and still fail, games fail if they aren't planned right, no matter if they innovate or take from other games, afaik gw2 has better planning than most of the other mmorpgs i've seen launch

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Guys, sorry if I didn't express myself correctly. I too don't think GW2 will fail in numbers/players, like all of you have said, just the sheer amount of dedicated GW fans will keep it alive. I was more worried about the actual game and gameplay. I praise the devs for trying all these new things, but it could backfire on them?FelipeInside

so basically you are saying developers shouldn't try new things for fear of failing? that is what drove people to this gaming stagnation in the first place, with every single mmorpg trying to copy wow and fps trying to copy cod, i would buy the game just to supporti them for trying new things, i dislike these copy paste developers we have in this generation

It just takes some videos and interviews and some analysis to know if you are gonna like it or not.

i personally think what they have done so far with the game is awesome, but its personal opinion.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

so basically you are saying developers shouldn't try new things for fear of failing? that is what drove people to this gaming stagnation in the first place, with every single mmorpg trying to copy wow and fps trying to copy cod, i would buy the game just to supporti them for trying new things, i dislike these copy paste developers we have in this generation

It just takes some videos and interviews and some analysis to know if you are gonna like it or not.

i personally think what they have done so far with the game is awesome, but its personal opinion.

lawlessx

Well sorry if it sounded that way.

To be more clear, I want GW2 to succeed, and become the next best thing.

I'm just comparing hype to this game from my previous experiences, that's why I listed different games on my first post. I have seen time and time again where hype has overwhelmed a game and gamers have not liked it. Not because it was a bad game, but because the hype made it sound like something different.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] In no place did I say I didn't want devs to try new things, I'm just saying devs HAVE in the past and it's backfired...FelipeInside

Well sorry if it sounded that way.

To be more clear, I want GW2 to succeed, and become the next best thing.

I'm just comparing hype to this game from my previous experiences, that's why I listed different games on my first post. I have seen time and time again where hype has overwhelmed a game and gamers have not liked it. Not because it was a bad game, but because the hype made it sound like something different.

I don't think GW2 will fail. Instead of dumping hundreds of millions of dollars into a fully voiced single player campaign and charging a monthly fee, these guys are making an actual mmo with a dynamic, explorable world with no monthly fee.

in the end of the day who cares? if you enjoy a mmorpg and the servers are still online you only need your friends to enjoy it.

in the end of the day who cares? if you enjoy a mmorpg and the servers are still online you only need your friends to enjoy it.

Krelian-co

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in the end of the day who cares? if you enjoy a mmorpg and the servers are still online you only need your friends to enjoy it.

FelipeInside

One thing I want to know for sure before buying GW2, is if it will be a proper MMO and not the BS they lied to us about with the first game. Will I be able to run alongside 60 other people, through a city, come out the other side of the city, continue running through multiple, large, expansive and open areas all the way to another city where I might find 60 more people, all with little or no loading in between.

One thing I want to know for sure before buying GW2, is if it will be a proper MMO and not the BS they lied to us about with the first game. Will I be able to run alongside 60 other people, through a city, come out the other side of the city, continue running through multiple, large, expansive and open areas all the way to another city where I might find 60 more people, all with little or no loading in between.

-Unreal-

One thing I want to know for sure before buying GW2, is if it will be a proper MMO and not the BS they lied to us about with the first game. Will I be able to run alongside 60 other people, through a city, come out the other side of the city, continue running through multiple, large, expansive and open areas all the way to another city where I might find 60 more people, all with little or no loading in between.

-Unreal-

Guild Wars 2 is an mmo. However, whether it will have multiple instances per area like in Age of Conan or SWTOR or not is not yet confirmed, but I suppose it wont be in.

Guild Wars 1 was not an mmo, it was a CORPG. Which is why it was so different from actual mmos.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]I hope not. I'm more interested in The Secret World, but I wanted to play GW2 as well. I kinda doubt it will because lots of people will try it since it doesn't have a fee.lawlessx

Im going for tera

its the best mmo for 2012 by far played it for 2 months

it has no grind,fast leveling,no lottery to win (reason it failed in korea btw)

the pvp is amazing the pvpers lovers gonna love tera

i had an amazing experience and it is something really fresh fro mall the typical mmo's out there and yes even gw2.

tera is coming may 1 for NA

may 3 for europe

Give it a try they with luck u can get beta invite starting next week

u wont be dissapointed just remove the "korean grind game "it is not a grindfest game played it for 2 months.

I think that anyone who expect any MMO that's not yet available to be something truly exceptional, are setting themselves up for disappointment. Seriously, we've seen threads like this for just about every major MMO released. AoC was going to be the next big thing, so was Aion and SWTOR and Champions Online.

I hope GW2 turn out to be a great game and a lot of the marketing talk sounds very interesting. However in spite of what earlier posts claimed, NC-Soft have a bad track record when it comes to releasing successful western MMO's (they tend to do very well in Asia). They were the company who were involved in games like Tabula Rassa (shut down in less than a year), Dungeon Runner (survived about 2 1/2 years) and Auto Assault (survived about a year).

In short, getting your hopes up when it comes to unreleased MMO's tend to lead to disappointment.

From the looks of things TOR is failing because bioware waited until after the game released to take care of the issues that people have been addressing since it's beta.Honestly from your OP it looks like your drawn to what's hyped more than you should. Of course people will complain about the game in some shape or form and of course some people are just going to not like it.lawlessx

No MMO in the history of gaming had a good start, yes beta is there to test everything but even with months and even years of beta things still do not get fixed tell way later.

Those curious as to why there is lot of hype surrounding GW2 should visit the following links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBC_ig73aMs

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1058358-Guild-Wars-2-Mass-info-for-the-uninitiated

For anyone who hopes that this will be the WoW killer, keep dreaming. That said I can not wait to play it.

Im going for tera

its the best mmo for 2012 by far played it for 2 months

it has no grind,fast leveling,no lottery to win (reason it failed in korea btw)

the pvp is amazing the pvpers lovers gonna love tera

i had an amazing experience and it is something really fresh fro mall the typical mmo's out there and yes even gw2.

tera is coming may 1 for NA

may 3 for europe

Give it a try they with luck u can get beta invite starting next week

u wont be dissapointed just remove the "korean grind game "it is not a grindfest game played it for 2 months.

Albaficas

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Prexxus"] about 4 years with over 5 million subs is a fail? Who cares if it's going F2P now? They've made billions with that game.

FelipeInside

Yeah, Asia doesn't count...

I think if it is compared to WoW it likely will fail like any MMO released of late, WoW is just extremely refined with so much content and its still being tweaked and added upon after years and years.

I think if it is compared to WoW it likely will fail like any MMO released of late, WoW is just extremely refined with so much content and its still being tweaked and added upon after years and years.

V4LENT1NE

The good thing about GW2 is that it is not as similar to WoW as other WoW clones such as Warhammer Online or SWTOR. This should mean that GW2 will leave in more room for its own niche instead of going after the exact same audience (most who will stick with the more polished, more refined product). Sure, some will return to WoW. But WoW and GW2 can co-exist much better than WoW and SWTOR.

Staying away from the norm worked well for Guilld Wars 1, I am sure staying away from the norm will work well for GW2 as well.

Of course this isn't a troll thread, because I will be buying GW2 on DAY 1.

It's just that I really want it to turn out good, and the past 2-3 years I have actually become afraid of HYPE.

I pre-ordered and purchased both AION and Warhammer Online, because of all the hype that came before it. We all know how those 2 turned out.

I recently got the CE of SWTOR, and even though I don't regret the purchase since I have put in 100hrs and my GF also plays and loves it, I see endless threads on these forums about it failing (which I don't agree) or not the game everyone was expecting (which I agree with in some parts).

BF3, labeled as the king of military shooters. A few months after lots of people say it's broken, lots of people have abandoned it and if I understand correctly more people are playing MW3. Remember when everyone said BF3 would destroy CoD? (Yes, I also bought BF3 fyi)

Diablo 3, of course I will be buying Day 1 (and even considering CE). BUT, all of a sudden D3 has some big changes and the Chief Designer leaves the company. I will love D3 but oh oh... so much hype.

Which brings me to GW2.

Everyone is calling this MMO the next coming of Christ. I LOVE the ideas the devs are trying to pull off, but will we see threads about people complaining?

Not EVERYONE will like it will they?

Is it REALLY the next coming?

To be honest, I REALLY WANT it to be the next coming.... but the more I hear the hype, the more doubt I have...

FelipeInside

It'll probably do well enough for ANet to continue support of Guild Wars. I am not sure if I am going to buy the game on day one. I did not get into the original Guild Wars until later when the trilogy was on sale on Steam. As fun as it started off as, it got incredibly boring when all I found out that the grinding only netted you.... fancy looking clothes/armor. People like that, as I obviously could tell in my time in GW, but if I was a fashion nut, I'd go to a clothing store and buy clothes (and I am not a woman... so... yeah). The only saving grace was PvP, and that is what I ended up doing for a time until new games took my interest and haven't played GWs since.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]

I think if it is compared to WoW it likely will fail like any MMO released of late, WoW is just extremely refined with so much content and its still being tweaked and added upon after years and years.

Maroxad

The good thing about GW2 is that it is not as similar to WoW as other WoW clones such as Warhammer Online or SWTOR. This should mean that GW2 will leave in more room for its own niche instead of going after the exact same audience (most who will stick with the more polished, more refined product). Sure, some will return to WoW. But WoW and GW2 can co-exist much better than WoW and SWTOR.

Staying away from the norm worked well for Guilld Wars 1, I am sure staying away from the norm will work well for GW2 as well.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]

I think if it is compared to WoW it likely will fail like any MMO released of late, WoW is just extremely refined with so much content and its still being tweaked and added upon after years and years.

V4LENT1NE

The good thing about GW2 is that it is not as similar to WoW as other WoW clones such as Warhammer Online or SWTOR. This should mean that GW2 will leave in more room for its own niche instead of going after the exact same audience (most who will stick with the more polished, more refined product). Sure, some will return to WoW. But WoW and GW2 can co-exist much better than WoW and SWTOR.

Staying away from the norm worked well for Guilld Wars 1, I am sure staying away from the norm will work well for GW2 as well.

Indeed, that is the problem. You just cant beat 7 years of refinement from one of the best developers around (top 3 imo). The best thing to do would be to simply avoid being overlapped by WoW as much as possible. Guild Wars 1 and WoW were very different, and co-existed together quite well, there might be a bit more competition between GW2 and WoW, but they should still be different enough to co-exist properly.

I think if it is compared to WoW it likely will fail like any MMO released of late, WoW is just extremely refined with so much content and its still being tweaked and added upon after years and years.

V4LENT1NE

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]

I think if it is compared to WoW it likely will fail like any MMO released of late, WoW is just extremely refined with so much content and its still being tweaked and added upon after years and years.

Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]

I think if it is compared to WoW it likely will fail like any MMO released of late, WoW is just extremely refined with so much content and its still being tweaked and added upon after years and years.

V4LENT1NE

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] It's nothing like WoW. Guild Wars has never been like WoW or other WoW clones. Have you played Guild Wars? It's not even close to being like any theme-park MMO. Elann2008

Guild Wars 2 will be compared to WoW, unfortunately. Not because of similarities but simply put because WoW is the top mmo, the standard.

For the love of all that is holy, I have seen people comparing EvE online to WoW. And unfortunately, someone who has posted in this very thread actually once said that Guild Wars is a generic mmo, although I highly doubt he was serious. No one can be that ignorant.

Edit: I know that I will play Guild Wars 2, and if it is good. I will love it for what it is.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] I never said it was like WoW, I said if it is compared to WoW, big difference there...Maroxad

Guild Wars 2 will be compared to WoW, unfortunately. Not because of similarities but simply put because WoW is the top mmo, the standard.

For the love of all that is holy, I have seen people comparing EvE online to WoW. And unfortunately, someone who has posted in this very thread actually once said that Guild Wars is a generic mmo, although I highly doubt he was serious. No one can be that ignorant.

Edit: I know that I will play Guild Wars 2, and if it is good. I will love it for what it is.

interesting question, and definitely a legit one. commercially i don't see how GW2 can fail - less promising titles have yielded excellent profit. but from a critical perspective? why not? the hype is ridiculously high on GW2. if it's anything like the first GW i know i'll love it, but whoever thinks it's the second-coming, wow-killing mmorpg - you know, like EVERY other mmorpg claim to be - is just kidding himself.

It Won't.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] I never said it was like WoW, I said if it is compared to WoW, big difference there...Maroxad

For the love of all that is holy, I have seen people comparing EvE online to WoW. And unfortunately, someone who has posted in this very thread actually once said that Guild Wars is a generic mmo, although I highly doubt he was serious.

Oh, come now, you're not making this hard at all:

World of Warcraft/Guild Wars comparison video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcWXL8jpFGs

Says a thousand words, really.

And Warhammer Online was a far better, and dare I say, more unique game than Guild Wars. I would much sooner resubscribe and play on Mythic's single, still-online server than I would reinstall Guild Wars again.

Not that I'm unhappy that you're still thinking about me in your spare time.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The good thing about GW2 is that it is not as similar to WoW as other WoW clones such as Warhammer Online or SWTOR. This should mean that GW2 will leave in more room for its own niche instead of going after the exact same audience (most who will stick with the more polished, more refined product). Sure, some will return to WoW. But WoW and GW2 can co-exist much better than WoW and SWTOR.

Staying away from the norm worked well for Guilld Wars 1, I am sure staying away from the norm will work well for GW2 as well.

Maroxad

Indeed, that is the problem. You just cant beat 7 years of refinement from one of the best developers around (top 3 imo). The best thing to do would be to simply avoid being overlapped by WoW as much as possible. Guild Wars 1 and WoW were very different, and co-existed together quite well, there might be a bit more competition between GW2 and WoW, but they should still be different enough to co-exist properly.

LotRO and RIFT, in many ways similar to games like World of Warcraft, have still been very profitable. And I can with almost absolute certainty say they have more subscribers, or bring in/have brought in more profits than niche games like EVE Online do. So there goes one theory.

You seem a bit fixated on painting 'EverQuest formula' MMOs as existing in some form of market's dead zone, doomed to come falling down from the sky for erroneously following the design of (what you refer to as) 'the best, most refined, and most polished product' too closely, and equally obsess about the revitalization and/or grand takeover of what has always existed primarily as a niche market (sandbox MMOs).

You fail to comprehend that every other game that's not WoW is not a failure in the grand scheme of things. MMOs have not all started failing since World of Warcraft came along; the genre has become more popular as a whole. Your two-bit theories about why new MMOs 'trying to compete with WoW' are failing are meaningless in the face of a growing market lead by successful business models.

And furthermore, World of Warcraft really isn't leaps and bounds above the competition anymore, let's be honest.