Another sad day in the modern age, anti piracy taken too far

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/15/american-isps-to-launch-massive-copyright-spying-scheme-on-july-12/

http://www.exophrine.com/2012/03/your-isps-spying-on-you-so-dont-be.html

The vagueness about this is depressing, and scary.

So do you violate this if you happen to watch a Youtube video uploaded that isn't copywritten, or infringes?

Once again the Music industry, and Movie industry want to see us squirm under the thumb, which is why I will have all my music in CC (without blood sucking labels, publishers)

This is becoming ridiculous.

If piracy/censor/and now SPY threads are not supposed to be in this section of forums, please mods, move it to the correct location.

I honestly don't get it.. If piracy was such a problem, why are all these industries bigger than they have ever been before? Every one has grown to staggering new heights, they have not shrunk due to piracy what so ever.. So why is it that these fvcking schemes keep being put forward?sSubZerOo

they want more money for their deep enough pockets, you know how greed is

plus they are paying the right people who are supossed to "defend" people's rights

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I honestly don't get it.. If piracy was such a problem, why are all these industries bigger than they have ever been before? Every one has grown to staggering new heights, they have not shrunk due to piracy what so ever.. So why is it that these fvcking schemes keep being put forward?Krelian-co

they want more money for their deep enough pockets, you know how greed is

plus they are paying the right people who are supossed to "defend" people's rights

While I agree.

I must address the part in bold.

As far as I can tell, this isn't government. This is solely the privately owned Corporations (ISPs) in conjuction with the Movie, and Music industries. Wealthy private citizens/orginizations/corporations protecting the interest of other wealthy private (same)

So is this only affecting America?

So is this only affecting America?

id_mew

I doubt it. Even if it starts out that way (and its successful) it won't end with cough... The States.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I honestly don't get it.. If piracy was such a problem, why are all these industries bigger than they have ever been before? Every one has grown to staggering new heights, they have not shrunk due to piracy what so ever.. So why is it that these fvcking schemes keep being put forward?Lach0121

they want more money for their deep enough pockets, you know how greed is

plus they are paying the right people who are supossed to "defend" people's rights

While I agree.

I must address the part in bold.

As far as I can tell, this isn't government. This is solely the privately owned Corporations (ISPs) in conjuction with the Movie, and Music industries. Wealthy private citizens/orginizations/corporations protecting the interest of other wealthy private (same)

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

they want more money for their deep enough pockets, you know how greed is

plus they are paying the right people who are supossed to "defend" people's rights

Elann2008

While I agree.

I must address the part in bold.

As far as I can tell, this isn't government. This is solely the privately owned Corporations (ISPs) in conjuction with the Movie, and Music industries. Wealthy private citizens/orginizations/corporations protecting the interest of other wealthy private (same)

I know its supposed to be a funny stab, and it is:P, but definitely stinks of Mason. (especially since the music, and movie industries are behind it)

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

While I agree.

I must address the part in bold.

As far as I can tell, this isn't government. This is solely the privately owned Corporations (ISPs) in conjuction with the Movie, and Music industries. Wealthy private citizens/orginizations/corporations protecting the interest of other wealthy private (same)

Lach0121

I know its supposed to be a funny stab, and it is:P, but definitely stinks of Mason. (especially since the music, and movie industries are behind it)

Pirates gona pirate. Whenever a new way to stop piracy is introduced the pirates just find ways around them.JC_Spot

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] It's the illuminati. Elann2008

I know its supposed to be a funny stab, and it is:P, but definitely stinks of Mason. (especially since the music, and movie industries are behind it)

Oh I agree. It reeks!

I saw this posted on the Musician's forums I frequent, and thought I would share it here.

You are not alone, I am with Comcast.

I do not pirate either, I watch many youtube vids. I trade samples/VST presets with other musicians (all legit too I might add) But who exactly is going to measuring/reviewing the monitoring of all the downloads to see who is "being bad"? Is that reviewer/committee gonna be biased towards one side, or not?!? I would be willing to bet that yes they will be biased. As we see this actually about to happen (period) shows a large amount of bias already.

The online billion need to outcry! Or this will turn into full censorship with corporate rulers at the helm. (not just a conspiracy "theory" anymore)

Anti Piracy measures are like 911...

I don't depend on a phone number to save my life or in an emergency and they shouldn't rely on their anti piracy measures because they will always be a way around them.

"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves."
- Abraham Lincoln

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe It really sucks to be an American in this day and age. I feel bad for them, but it's important to know: we cause our own misery.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

I know its supposed to be a funny stab, and it is:P, but definitely stinks of Mason. (especially since the music, and movie industries are behind it)

Lach0121

Oh I agree. It reeks!

I saw this posted on the Musician's forums I frequent, and thought I would share it here.

You are not alone, I am with Comcast.

I do not pirate either, I watch many youtube vids. I trade samples/VST presets with other musicians (all legit too I might add) But who exactly is going to measuring/reviewing the monitoring of all the downloads to see who is "being bad"? Is that reviewer/committee gonna be biased towards one side, or not?!? I would be willing to bet that yes they will be biased. As we see this actually about to happen (period) shows a large amount of bias already.

The online billion need to outcry! Or this will turn into full censorship with corporate rulers at the helm. (not just a conspiracy "theory" anymore)

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] It's the illuminati. Elann2008

I know its supposed to be a funny stab, and it is:P, but definitely stinks of Mason. (especially since the music, and movie industries are behind it)

You have a right to that thought pattern, while seemingly paranoid. Yeah, this stuff here probably won't affect the average user like you and me very much, but it all starts here, and where does it end? They get away with larger schemes in small steps.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

I know its supposed to be a funny stab, and it is:P, but definitely stinks of Mason. (especially since the music, and movie industries are behind it)

wis3boi

You have a right to that thought pattern, while seemingly paranoid. Yeah, this stuff here probably won't affect the average user like you and me very much, but it all starts here, and where does it end? They get away with larger schemes in small steps.

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

neo_87

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

neo_87

Well, when you have a committee of people monitoring, judging, reviewing what you do on the internet, it can get quite eerie and just plain wrong. How would like it if you had to stay on the phone with your ISP because you were watching something you were not suppose to, yet it was legal or you thought was legal, yet they're hounding you and telling you, you were wrong for doing it. Next comes a bandwidth cut, or lockdown, and then you're setting in some classroom taking a 30-hour course on not to be a pirate (when you're not).

Sure, you can say "just be careful" when you're online...(wait), are you f'in serious? We shouldn't have to be belittled like idiotic, moronic fools. How could you think this is good for people like you and me who are legit customers? It actually hurts us the MOST because it weighs into our freedom and privacy rights.

[QUOTE="neo_87"]

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

masterdrat

[QUOTE="masterdrat"][QUOTE="neo_87"]

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

neo_87

[QUOTE="neo_87"]

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="neo_87"]

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

neo_87

I feel lucky that I live in Europe! Any legislation like that would never hope to make it through the EU parliament, SOPA and ACTA were both turned down, and others will follow and be turned down as well. America land of the free my @ss!

I feel lucky that I live in Europe! Any legislation like that would never hope to make it through the EU parliament, SOPA and ACTA were both turned down, and others will follow and be turned down as well. America land of the free my @ss!

QQabitmoar

[QUOTE="neo_87"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] Well, when you have a committee of people monitoring, judging, reviewing what you do on the internet, it can get quite eerie and just plain wrong. How would like it if you had to stay on the phone with your ISP because you were watching something you were not suppose to, yet it was legal or you thought was legal, yet they're hounding you and telling you, you were wrong for doing it. Next comes a bandwidth cut, or lockdown, and then you're setting in some classroom taking a 30-hour course on not to be a pirate (when you're not). Sure, you can say "just be careful" when you're online...(wait), are you f'in serious? We shouldn't have to be belittled like idiotic, moronic fools. How could you think this is good for people like you and me who are legit customers? It actually hurts us the MOST because it weighs into our freedom and privacy rights.Elann2008

Gotta love how companies treat most western countries like the high seas running rampant with pirates when places in asia and the middle east sell bootlegs in shops and markets all over the damn place

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="neo_87"] I can't say for people is US but I wouldn't mind a bit happening this in India because they wont stop pirating everything here unless such a drastic step is taken. Maybe they should be a little easy on the countries with less piracy like US and more strict where there is more piracy. I mean just put yourself in their shoes and think.wis3boi

Gotta love how companies treat most western countries like the high seas running rampant with pirates when places in asia and the middle east sell bootlegs in shops and markets all over the damn place

they want more money for their deep enough pockets, you know how greed is

plus they are paying the right people who are supossed to "defend" people's rights

Krelian-co

This is defending people's rights. People who create films/music/books/games/artistic material have exclusive rights in their works, which pirates unjustly violate all the time. Is it wrong of copyright owners to seek to enforce their own legal rights, or to seek compensation for money that is rightfully theirs?

Anyway, this was all totally expected. Legislative efforts worldwide have had a few majors setbacks lately, so copyright owners have been pushed to take more extreme (and apparenty quite legal) methods to protect their own rights.

Also guys, you can't blame the government on this one. It isn't a new law, and the government isn't spying on you at all - it's (apparently) a private contract between copyright owners and ISPs.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

they want more money for their deep enough pockets, you know how greed is

plus they are paying the right people who are supossed to "defend" people's rights

Planeforger

This is defending people's rights. People who create films/music/books/games/artistic material have exclusive rights in their works, which pirates unjustly violate all the time. Is it wrong of copyright owners to seek to enforce their own legal rights, or to seek compensation for money that is rightfully theirs?

Get Real Son. That's not what the copyright laws are for, they're supposed to be for protecting media from copying. Not for spying on millions of people who "possibly/could" be copying media. Innocent till proven guilty.

Next thing you knows they will be tapping the phones of everyone who smokes and using the "Prohibition of drugs laws" to justify the act.

"Well they smokes cigarettes so they could be smoking drugs, this gives us fair jurisdication to spy on them all - oh yes.."

And of course the government doesn't do anything about it :roll:

This is defending people's rights. People who create films/music/books/games/artistic material have exclusive rights in their works, which pirates unjustly violate all the time. Is it wrong of copyright owners to seek to enforce their own legal rights, or to seek compensation for money that is rightfully theirs?

Anyway, this was all totally expected. Legislative efforts worldwide have had a few majors setbacks lately, so copyright owners have been pushed to take more extreme (and apparenty quite legal) methods to protect their own rights.

Also guys, you can't blame the government on this one. It isn't a new law, and the government isn't spying on you at all - it's (apparently) a private contract between copyright owners and ISPs.

Planeforger

No, it's not defending people's right. You can't put in jeopardy the privacy of thousands if not millions of people for the sake of maybe one thousand people.

What compensation is rightfully theirs? If they have the means to sway ISPs to do things like this I'm pretty sure their daily earning is at least in the six digits.

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

neo_87

[QUOTE="neo_87"]

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

WizardGlass

Piracy existed before the internet and can exist without it. They use it as an excuse to control the internet. :twisted:

[QUOTE="WizardGlass"][QUOTE="neo_87"]

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

neo_87

I'm a little confused. The article says Thursday, July 1st and there is a note at the bottom that says "Correction: A prior version of this article placed the start date as July 12." Except...July 1st is not a Thursday but July 12th is...?

I could be wrong, but can't torrent programs be setup to transfer encrypted data? Wouldn't encrypted data look like garbage to the ISPs monitoring it? The point being that the ISPs wouldn't know what you are really downloading.

I honestly don't get it.. If piracy was such a problem, why are all these industries bigger than they have ever been before? Every one has grown to staggering new heights, they have not shrunk due to piracy what so ever.. So why is it that these fvcking schemes keep being put forward?sSubZerOo

Its all leads to one less diamond in their diamond studded swimming pools.

I honestly dont think this has much at all to do with piracy, I think piracy is a ruse they use to give them the means to spy on people and attempt some control of the internet.

I could be wrong, but can't torrent programs be setup to transfer encrypted data? Wouldn't encrypted data look like garbage to the ISPs monitoring it? The point being that the ISPs wouldn't know what you are really downloading.

Falconoffury

They could implement the same measures for transfering encrypted data, taking a hatchet to your bandwidth. If they're going to be allowed to monitor traffic (which is so anti privacy it belongs in a George Orwell book) they're going to be allowed to do whatever the hell they want.

I also predict vast amounts of data mining from the traffic they monitor & information being sold off to interested parties.

Now would be a good time to learn how to circumvent this, there's a couple of workarounds.

Its really sickening to see our so called elected leaders sit by and enable this to happen. The rich treating all their customers as criminals, to make sure they keep getting that hyper capitalist flow of "god" money.

Of course these are the same leaders that enable the war on drugs, which has done nothing but turn millions of (non-violent people) into criminals and on their record for the rest of their life, as well as great contribute to our national debt.

The same leaders who have us waging war on other countries (for various reasons, freedom NOT being one of them) that war machine has put us in so much debt it isn't even funny.

Have removed due process for its citizens, instated the Patriot Act. Removed more rights and liberties than any "terrorist" orginization has.

Supreme court rulled that Money is speech (power), and that corporations now have the rights of citizens. (if you don't see the problem there, open your eyes)

^^ We can't count on Government to step in and do whats right. (remember they tried SOPA, and PIPA)

I am outraged at this, and no I am not a pirate.

IF transparencyis what is called for on the private citizen, I demand that it also be applied to these corporations that rule us, as well as the government they use as a tool to do so.

I honestly don't get it.. If piracy was such a problem, why are all these industries bigger than they have ever been before? Every one has grown to staggering new heights, they have not shrunk due to piracy what so ever.. So why is it that these fvcking schemes keep being put forward?sSubZerOo

Indeed, EVERYTHING and i do mean everything sells far far more than it did in the old days. As pc gamers we should get a negative stance to this since its our money that those indies became big and sold out for consoles. Sadly they respect nothing and want more money. Now on to piracy and copyright laws, university studies have shown that those who pirate more, also buy more, however the dumb megacorperations think that the consumer is a moneybag that has infinite amount of money, so now they use the money that we gave to the industry to squeeze every drop from the consumer. and ofcourse lets not forget that the only reason this happens is because copyright laws are broken and vague and those corperations have lapdogs inside the goverment.Eg: most of Obama's administration is filled with RIAA lawyers, lawyers who go to law schools and brainwash students on how bad piracy hurts them with stupid arguments like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0 broken copyright maths ftw.

Hell last time i heard that they sued a pub called "the hobbit" becasue that pub which existed for more than 20 years was hurting their copyrights of the LOTR franchise.

Dont think this will make thinks better, it will only limit choices and they wil jack up the prices and dissrespect the consumer more.

The theory that they do it to control the internet is pretty interesting infact. The corperations did not embrace the internet, they tried to use it to make money and till this day they still havent adapted to it.

Somewhere i heard NSA is builded asurveillance center that costs 1 billion dollars. If you are American you should do something about it.